The Machiavellian F Close

Apropos of yesterday’s post, there is valuable game ore to be mined from those study conclusions. For example, here is an excerpt from one of the studies:

Engaging in uncommitted sex may be one form of female-female competition. If this is so, we would predict that women attribute to other women comfort levels that are higher than they, themselves, feel; this would generate PI that would heighten women’s awareness of potential threats from female competitors and may motivate women to engage in competition.

A clever man could use this information to gain insight into female thinking, and thus improve his odds of fuck closing any one girl. He now knows, thanks to science (and his own experiences if he isn’t brainwashed by feminist agitprop), that women are likely to overestimate other women’s comfort with casual sex in order to gain a competitive advantage at securing and keeping an alpha male’s attention. A woman is, in short, more likely to sleep with a man if she thinks other women are quickly and easily putting out for him.

A man can use this knowledge of female psychology to great effect in a seduction. All he has to do is hint — suggest ever so slyly so as not to alert her poseur identification defense system — that other women have been giving themselves over to his charms with questionable rapidity.

“I don’t know about girls these days. They’re so quick to jump into bed. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

***

“Sex has become so devalued. Girls hardly date anymore. They make it so easy for guys.”

***

“Not so fast. I’m the romantic type. The last girl I dated was a stripper who wanted to have sex on the first date. it’s crazy out there.”

Etc.

This is the idea behind Female Competition Exploit (FCE) game. Commenters are free to provide other examples of hastening F closes utilizing the Pluralistic Ignorance sociosexual concept.





Comments


  1. on July 28, 2010 at 10:43 am Robert Goulet

    Here’s the question I pose to everyone. Is this the most beta column ever written, or a column written by a former beta who is now squarely an omega?

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/24/on-her-wedding-day-saying-the-things-left-unsaid/

    Either way…does it get more pathetic than this? Good lord.

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  2. on July 28, 2010 at 10:51 am greatbooksformen

    lozlzzzlzlzozolzoozlzzozlz i say to her i don’t know what’s up these days all i do is go lzozlzozozlz and she goes down on my nozzllozzlzozlzozlzolzllzozozoozo and it goes gizizizozozlzzolzozzlozlzozozlzlz all over her lzozozozolozl

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  3. Odd as if may seem, most women set themselves up to end up doing the exact things they say they don’t like. Gotta love Machiavelli 😉

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  4. Things like “Sex has become so devalued. Girls hardly date anymore. They make it so easy for guys.”, wouldn’t that get her anti-slut defense up, and have her start thinking or saying “Well, I’m not going to be one of these girls”?

    Doesn’t that make my job harder on the first date?

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  5. The most effective thing for me has been expressing some words or a gesture of mild interest then soon after ending the conversation and talking to another woman. You’ve referred to this before. Take her focus away from thinking about whether she should sleep with you, and put it on whether this other woman will take that option away from them. The better you can make the second woman smile and laugh, the more social proof you’re displaying and the harder the first one will compete for you.

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  6. on July 28, 2010 at 11:02 am Vincent Ignatius

    After she does something you can interpret as sexually aggressive.

    “Whoa, calm down. Why are so many girls so sexually aggressive these days?”

    “Damn, you’re just another aggressive girl aren’t you? Why is every chick like this?”

    Another good one.

    “Please don’t turn into another stalker. You girls are crazy.”

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  7. I like the general idea, and the first suggested line in particular, but aren’t the last 2 suggested lines a little dangerous? You’re telling her you don’t like easy, early sex. If she really likes you and has half a brain, she may want to f but now feels that it would hurt her chances with you if she gave it up early.

    I would try to say something really vague, but positive about the tendency: “Its good that people are more free to express themselves in relationships today. I’ve found that girls are much more comfortable in being themselves than in the past.” Or something to that effect.

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  8. I think it’s disgusting that you would want to manipulate a woman just to sleep with you. There are so many things I agree with on this blog.. but this is not one of them.

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  9. @ Ambiance, you sum up my point well.

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  10. I like it. I endorse this behavior.

    Go away Caroline. You have a vagina. You can get laid whenever you want.

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  11. on July 28, 2010 at 11:07 am Basil Ransom

    As for the PI, it’s very true. I’ve had countless girls say to me, while refusing sex (aka last minute resistance), “why don’t you go back out to the bars and find some slut who’ll sleep with you tonight? There are plenty of them.” If that were the case, I wouldn’t be here with you baby.

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  12. I think the other commenters are correct in pointing out that these sayings will often work in reverse: A girl will NOT sleep with you in order to prove that she’s not like all the other sluts.

    To use this science effectively, all that is needed is to SHOW yourself talking to other girls and let the woman’s imagination run wild.

    It all goes back to basic social proof theory.

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  13. I think it’s disgusting that you would want to manipulate a woman just to sleep with you.

    Why is it disgusting?

    Men do what works. If manipulation makes your legs open, we will manipulate. It’s your choice. We just respond to what you reward.

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  14. Dear Roissy,
    If I am a guy who is religious and doesn’t believe in sex until marriage will game still work for me?

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  15. @PA Why is it disgusting?

    Oh because maybe there are other things to do with a woman instead of having sex with her. That’s not the only thing women are good for. Goodness. Maybe you could date her a little before hand.

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  16. “I don’t know about girls these days. They’re so quick to jump into bed. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.”

    ^ Lines, lines, lines, and more lines. All those lines are obviously transparent and reek of poseur.

    It’s a lot better if she sees your phone ringing off the hook, pics of attractive female “friends”, attractive females around you, etc.

    In any event, the best pussy magnet is having more pussy than you can handle. The haves get more, and the have-nots stay the same.

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  17. Caroline – You’re ugly and don’t get laid. Don’t deny the younger, hotter, tighter faction of your gender the pleasures of the cockas because the truth hurts your feelings.

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  18. on July 28, 2010 at 11:21 am Vincent Ignatius

    It’s a lot better if she sees your phone ringing off the hook…

    Interesting idea. You can setup an email client to text you throughout the night.

    I think it’s disgusting that you would want to manipulate a woman just to sleep with you. There are so many things I agree with on this blog.. but this is not one of them.

    Someone is clearly full of it. Manipulating women to have sex with you is at least 75% of this site.

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  19. @Chris

    You’re wrong about both of those things. I just have morals. Unlike most of the people here.

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  20. @vincent

    “Someone is clearly full of it. Manipulating women to have sex with you is at least 75% of this site.”
    eh true. touche.

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  21. @ Caroline:
    “there are other things to do with a woman instead of having sex with her. That’s not the only thing women are good for. Goodness. Maybe you could date her a little before hand.”

    Oh, fuck you Caroline.

    Why date a woman when you can fuck her and THEN go to brunch? If a chick is gonna spread for you, it matters not what you do with her beforehand.

    And have you considered the possibility that a great percentage of women are good for nothing other than their fungible vaginas?

    Oh, did I say, “Fuck you”?

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  22. @ Caroline,

    At no point is anyone advocating that a girl be manipulated/coerced into doing something she doesn’t want to do. Also, the whole point of the dating song and dance is to look for a sexual connection with someone. Otherwise, its just platonic friendship. I personally enjoy the song and dance, and prefer to delay gratification with someone I’m interested in, but if sparks were flying on a first date, I’m not going to go against nature’s momentum.

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  23. on July 28, 2010 at 11:24 am greatbooksformen

    woody allen’s daughter/girlfriend/wife whatever isn’t that hot

    http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=isch:1&&sa=X&ei=cktQTLKTN4i6sQPWrrSyCQ&ved=0CCQQvwUoAQ&q=woody+allen%27s+daughter&spell=1&biw=962&bih=725

    lozlzozzlo

    if that was my gf’s daughter i wouldn’t go near it not even if it wasn’t lzozlzlzlz

    what about you horn dogs?

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  24. The idea here is solid, but you’re way off base on the execution. Saying any of this to a girl is just as likely to make her want to hold out on you. The best way to exploit female intrasexual competition is to utilize your social proof. Acknowledge her, run some limited Game and then demonstrate your ample social skills with other (high quality) woman. The impact will be much more to your liking.

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  25. I started responding to Caroline but she sounds very young. So I’ll rephrase: it’s not ‘disgusting’ if you like the guy. And if he ‘manipulates’ you the right way, you will like being with him.

    Hopefully the guy is decent and not a scumbag, and hopefully you will be able to pick up on his character using your female wisdom.

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  26. I put chopped almonds in my breakfast to help me poop more.

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  27. “You’re wrong about both of those things. I just have morals. Unlike most of the people here.”

    lol it’s for your morals sake, so that your morals don’t shake and tumble down, again and again, when you open your legs.

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  28. @Robert

    Game works on all young women. You may need to calibrate some tactics and even scale back on strategy depending on your goal but the philosophy, the way women work, remains the same.

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  29. @ Caroline:
    “You’re wrong about both of those things. I just have morals. Unlike most of the people here.”

    Fuck you and your morals.

    Go get married already. It isn’t too hard to do. Just find some guy who isn’t getting laid.

    Or just go back into your spinster-hood closet.

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  30. These are all good ways to prove “I’m not being needy”. These gems will flow if you avoid needy frames.

    Machiavellian f close is also good social proofing. Try this: selectively keep posts on your Facebook wall from slutty girls. She writes:

    “Hey Roissy, when are you coming back to Miamiiiiiii?”.

    When she posts, all of your friends will see on the news feed, which will arouse their interest.

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  31. yeah man, if you can please answer this question – how do you make sure this doesnt have the opposite effect of girls not wanting to come off as a slut?

    Thanks in advance

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  32. I think its risky to interject the topic of sex like this unless she has already brought it up somehow.

    Perhaps using coded euphemisms like “female empowerment” and “independence” as stand-ins for sluttery would be more effective in this context, and trigger a more submissive, traditionally feminine response that’s primed for escalation.

    Artfully suggesting that girls who play hard to get are actually the secret sluts could throw her for a loop. Pointing out another girl from across the bar/club and jointly analyzing her behavior with the girl you’re gaming will turn on both her competitive switches and and tingles. Especially if you happen to catch the observed girl in the lead-up to making out.

    That’s a great way to pivot into either initiating a make out yourself — “hmm, that’s a nice idea,” or if better served, humorously expressing bemusement at the easiness of girls these days:

    “looks like somebody’s in a hurry… girls these days!”

    “I guess that’s what passes for ‘ladylike’ in modern times. I blame _____.”

    Fill in the blank with a token that’s tailored to the girl you’re looking to bang. It could be Cosmo, Catholicism, Sex and the City, xenoestrogens in water supply, whatever.

    Just as long as you come off as reluctantly enjoying the bounty of pussy that’s been ushered forth in this new age, it will have the desired effect of ratcheting up her competitive response.

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  33. “And have you considered the possibility that a great percentage of women are good for nothing other than their fungible vaginas? ” – Anon

    Most women are generally intolerable. I think Roosh blogged about this. Unless they are putting out for you, why hang with them?

    Oh, I remember, to build social proof and create jealousy in girls. HAH. Game, how you have changed my social nature.

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  34. This is a deadly tactic when coupled with social proof. It will really only work if you are already naturally flirtatious or brought some hot chick friends with you to the bar.

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  35. “Dear Roissy,
    If I am a guy who is religious and doesn’t believe in sex until marriage will game still work for me?”

    NO.

    The fact that you embrace some bullshit, no-sex-till-marriage crap shows that you are not a man.

    Religious chastity was created by a bunch of motherfucking alpha dudes to keep bitches in check.

    You are a bitch.

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  36. doesn’t this contradict the ASD and the fact that women don’t want fuck men that have a reputation for sleeping around? (at least don’t want to be seen fucking men that sleep around)

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  37. Ambiance, Sidewinder, and a few others are on the right path.

    Either women in this country are really naive and have low self esteem, or these articles/posts are full of wishful thinking. Men like challenges and they like to pursue. If girls give in to them too early, they quickly become boring to the man as he moves on to his next conquest.

    If you want a man to go nuts for you, you need to be a challenge worth fighting for. This is age old female wisdom.

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  38. @ Robert

    Yes, that is a very beta thing to write, but at least he was married and re-produced himself, placing him squarely amongst the 40% of men to do so.

    So he either:
    1. needs to get a paternity test, or
    2. was alpha, and turned beta during his marriage.

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  39. Caroline seems to be a troll. Do not feed it.

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  40. Robert:

    I was the same way. Yes and no. You will undoubtedly see your stock rise when gaming other prudish religious girls, but whats the point when the hottest girls are slutting it up?

    Like Roissy keeps saying, game is our tool to cash in on the slut-apocalypse.

    Lose the V card and cash in. It’s good.

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  41. @ dead boy

    Roissy has certifiably proved that the vast majority of young women we’d ever considered “gaming” are sluts.

    Honesty or chivalry? The honest thing is treat her for what he is, and the chivalrous thing treat her as if she’s a saint.

    The wise move is acknowledge she’s a slut by ironically saying she’s a nun.b

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  42. Sniper, was just about to write the same thing.

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  43. “If you want a man to go nuts for you, you need to be a challenge worth fighting for.”

    so that he empties his nuts elsewhere lol

    “This is age old female wisdom.”

    lmao female wisdom is, well, to put it mildly, like pavlovian response.

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  44. A pivot works wonders for this, I have a female roomate who is a solid 8. Any time I take her out with me it’s an amazing thing to be a part of, I truly feel girls notice who guys walk into a bar with. Just by walking into a bar, sitting down to have a drink with her, and then leaving her to chat up other girls I’m triggering that competitive nature. My roomate returns to me to “use” me to fend off unwanted suitors, which is all of them (she wants my alpha dong.) Since my roomate sees a parade of girls she unknowingly helped me bed take the walk of shame, she too feels the need to compete for my attention; I will not/have not/and don’t plan on banging her out specifically for this reason.

    When she returns to try to compete with the other girl/escape the unwanted suitor, I coyly let slip that she’s my roomate and it’s instant tingle, the bar girls “just know” we’re banging, and are blinded by PI all the way into my bed. It’s quite a little charade I have going, while I feel that PI is one of the most effective tools we can have it cannot be accomplished with lines or social-commentary on the looseness of women at-large with out invoking the anti-slut defense. Use visual aides for this, ie. a hot pivot.

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  45. I agree game must be calibrated by age…

    Some game is way too sophisticated for younger 20s girls; while tight game offends older 20s easily.

    Had offers of Margaritas lapped up by 22-24s; and 27+ get all fussy and want a wine bar.

    These Brackets are how society views women, not just Men:

    18-20: bar/coed ho, party girls, hard to game, unless age =

    21-23: post college; out of control; more trouble than worth, requires blunt but not tight game.

    24-26: Prime. left behind many bad habits; hot & in demand, requires perfect game.

    27-29: Problems; @ 27 getting harder to game; @ 29 panic.
    resists slut game, needs smooth game.

    30-35: Only to practice game; 1-2 bangs at most.

    35+ : for severe nice guys; betas, and losers

    Case in point a 27 and a 33 announce “Im not going to have sex with you tonight” recently. My game was medium; 27 walked after fingering, 33 stayed for 3 bangs.

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  46. “so that he empties his nuts elsewhere lol.”

    Which is not my problem then.

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  47. @bictopia

    It is if you wanted him and overplayed your coyness hand.

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  48. on July 28, 2010 at 11:52 am Days of Broken Arrows

    Reobert Goulet:

    That column you linked to is Beta in theory but Alpha in execution. By putting his feeling out in public, he just undermined her whole marriage. Now he’s got her (and her husband) thinking “what if,” when they should be whooping it up on their honey moon.

    Here’s the link if anyone missed it:

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/24/on-her-wedding-day-saying-the-things-left-unsaid/

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  49. @ Sniper

    “Men like challenges and they like to pursue.”

    This only half-true. Men like to feel as if they’re getting something of value when they chase. The fact of the matter is that most of the women you meet aren’t women of value. I don’t put up with challenges from carousel riding sluts—like many western women are. But I don’t mind a challenge from a woman who’s actually worth it…but then again I’m less likely want just casual sex or a ONS with someone I consider worthy LTR material.

    “If you want a man to go nuts for you, you need to be a challenge worth fighting for.”

    Not really. If you want a man to go nuts for you, be what he is looking for. Offer him something he needs but will find hard to get anywhere else. A “challenge” is easy to find. Femininity, loyalty, kindness, etc are what make a woman are very, very rare—but these are precisely things that are “worth fighting for”.

    I suspect we differ greatly on what constitutes “a challenge worth fighting for.” I suspect that the things you define as “worth fighting for” are different than the things that most men do. Let me know if I’m wrong.

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  50. I think this is what does it for naturals, or guys who get a lot of women. Women can tell how much you’ve had and how much you’re going to get.

    A woman meets a guy like this and thinks, “I like this guy, I want to have sex with him, but if I don’t he’ll get it from some other woman and not give me a second thought.”

    If on the other hand she can tell you don’t have options and aren’t going to get it from somebody else, she knows she can keep you interested without putting out, so she doesn’t.

    This is why naturals, or guys who get a lot of women, don’t really seem to have much game or even hardly try. If you can get the ball rolling it gets very easy.

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  51. @ Caroline brings up a good point. What use are women other than sex?

    To watch sports with me. Nope, strike one.
    To keep my calendar. Okay, ball one.
    To clean my house. Okay, ball two.
    To play poker with me. Nope, strike two.
    To cook my food. Okay, ball three.

    The counts full: is the next pitch a ball or a strike?

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  52. Caroline–

    Oh because maybe there are other things to do with a woman instead of having sex with her. That’s not the only thing women are good for. Goodness. Maybe you could date her a little before hand.

    It’s up to you and your sisters to require that.

    If you/they don’t, tough petooties.

    PS. you may want to send your memo to feministing etc. It’s feminism that changed the landscape into a “slut positive” one.

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  53. Roissy, Ive been using this tactic for years.

    Over the years I can tell you the response is NOT faster lays. HOWEVER, you will get laid more CONSISTANTLY. Basically they girl will almost definatly fuck you (it blasts away nearly any LMR) but delays the sex because now she wants to qualify as one of the “good girls”.

    If you can put off the sex for a night by doing this she comes back much stronger, and tends to be far more loyal.

    Think of doing this tactically as the Marshmallow experiment they do with kids. A delaying of gratification.

    Knack

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  54. This is just another example of how social proof and sexual options are key.

    However, some things are better left unsaid. The best results would be achieved through actions or extremely subtle hints which allow her to fill in the blanks.

    I hate to use movie references, but here it is…. its like inception, the idea has to be planted deep in their subconscious or else it gets sniffed out as false. Just talking about other girls, no matter how slyly won’t cut it.

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  55. @ Days of Broken Arrows

    That pathetic dude is definitely not Alpha in any form. That woman and her new husband are laying in bed lozlzozlzozlzlolozlzololing about him and his article in between fuck sessions.

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  56. This is actually potent on girls who’re sluts as well, who can take pride in their sexual ability. There’s one really good way I’ve seen this tapped into, besides occasional bitterness of my own.

    This was said to my friend, a virgin. “Really? Wow, I don’t believe it. You should’ve had at least three boyfriends at your age. ” and “Normally would’ve slept with you by now.” Basically, he reminded her that she was out of the norm and needed to catch up.

    It used to be that chastity was of more competitive value, with those women violating it being subjected to a fate worse than death by other women: social ostracisation. That’s how women used to maintain control of the sexual market.

    Now sexuality is held up as a sign of confidence, liberation, sanity and normality.

    You can actually be pretty subtle with this, because its an insecurity of a lot of girls these days. It doesn’t need too much to activate it. Emphasising it too much will make her question whether she’s attracted to you, rather than whether she’s being sexually repressed.

    I think you guys use this normally anyway, in perhaps ways you don’t notice. You’re more liable to notice a 7 in stripper heels and clinging dress than one in a potato sack. And the girl in the potato sack will notice and think maybe she should change, because girls crave attention more than their next chocolate fix.

    I don’t actually believe theories that men are responsible for repressing female sexuality, at all.

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  57. Doug/Hotness: forgot to credit you with some of those statements!!

    All inaccuracies are mine.

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  58. on July 28, 2010 at 12:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””“Not so fast. I’m the romantic type. The last girl I dated was a stripper who wanted to have sex on the first date. it’s crazy out there.”””””’
    lol

    I think the best machiavellian shit is when you have your girlfriend picking up chicks for you and she is telling them how great you are but she is no homo just doing it because she wanted to please you and your not even there lol bring em home to papa.

    Walking out of club with another chick is best for getting one of chicks who saw it to fuck on next sighting.

    Leaving juice of last woman on your nuts for the next chick.
    They love that.

    ”””””Sniper
    Ambiance, Sidewinder, and a few others are on the right path.

    Either women in this country are really naive and have low self esteem, or these articles/posts are full of wishful thinking. Men like challenges and they like to pursue. If girls give in to them too early, they quickly become boring to the man as he moves on to his next conquest.

    If you want a man to go nuts for you, you need to be a challenge worth fighting for. This is age old female wisdom.
    ””””””””’
    If you have sexual chemistry you both go nuts for each other. Those rules are for the onitis shit but it doesn’t work on guy who gets pussy because the one who fucks the best wins. So onitis seeking chick gets left in cold.

    ”””’Robert
    Dear Roissy,
    If I am a guy who is religious and doesn’t believe in sex until marriage will game still work for me?

    ””’
    You might be disapointed on your wedding night he he he

    But that is what religion wants as long as it works for some they don’t worry about the other 50 percent outliers.
    he he he

    ”””””Anon
    “Dear Roissy,
    If I am a guy who is religious and doesn’t believe in sex until marriage will game still work for me?”

    NO.

    The fact that you embrace some bullshit, no-sex-till-marriage crap shows that you are not a man.

    Religious chastity was created by a bunch of motherfucking alpha dudes to keep bitches in check.

    You are a bitch.
    ””””””’
    omg ownage.

    ”””””on July 28, 2010 at 11:55 am AlphaOmega
    @ Caroline brings up a good point. What use are women other than sex?

    To watch sports with me. Nope, strike one.
    To keep my calendar. Okay, ball one.
    To clean my house. Okay, ball two.
    To play poker with me. Nope, strike two.
    To cook my food. Okay, ball three.

    The counts full: is the next pitch a ball or a strike?

    ””””””

    ball four she picks up my chicks for me. lol

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  59. Again, preselection is the ultimate gina tingler. The last girl I dated fell *hard* in love with me mostly because she saw first hand some girls who were into me, as well as one of her friends who is crazy for my balls and who tried to compete with her for me. It was unnerving how little effort I had to put into gaming her; preselection did all the work.

    By the way, why say “fuck close”, is “fuck” not enough?
    Some people say “k-close”, for kiss.
    Is this real life?

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  60. on July 28, 2010 at 12:34 pm OnlineSeducer

    these lines can come as poseur…there is something better: calculated abscence.

    in her book, the second sex, Simon de beauvoir said: “There is no great distance between abscence and infidelity”… a man does not need to hint to a women that he gets punany thrown at him….she can guage that from his behavior and attitude…i.e. what you have been teaching all along roissy.

    such as end conversations early. Cancel dates. dont call too often, be unavailable, be emotionally unavailable, Be late. Appear disinterested. Don’t lean in. Stop trying to kiss her all the time. Don’t tell her when you’ll contact her. leave her house after sleeping with her the first time. be a complicated guy. 16 commendments of poon stuff

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  61. @Robert,

    I am not sure what your reasons are for waiting. But American culture makes it difficult to reconcile spiritual needs (as strong as sexual, hunger, thirst) with the cultural outcomes of their beloved feminism and liberalism.

    Back when waiting was more commonplace, I’d wager that game was naturally built into society through the strong presence of a dominant father-figure in the family. In Italy and Latin countries you can still witness this in motion. Religious, and men do not need to be taught game. The ones I have met here in the United States seem to have absolutely no problem with girls.

    Perhaps you can observe commonplace behavior of such traditionally Catholic cultures, and draw your own conclusions.

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  62. @Robert Goulet
    the most beta column ever written, or a column written by a former beta who is now squarely an omega?

    There is more to that column than meets the eye. My theory is that it is a subtle knife-thrust of revenge against a woman who did him wrong, under the guise of playing the nice guy. It’s interesting to see how men are learning from us women in terms of the power of passive-aggressive flaming, is this a further sign that the gender roles are blurring?

    @CR
    I don’t often disagree with you in terms of what works on women, but I think that where a man is exceptionally attractive, a statement about how ready most women are to jump into bed with him is really superfluous from point of view of social proof and may in fact be counter-productive.

    A woman casting around for a way to hook such a guy by differentiating herself from the common herd may feel that playing hard to get is exactly the way to do this.

    I am sure, though, that someone like you must already have a counter-strategy in place to turn such a response to your advantage, it would be interesting to know what it is?

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  63. on July 28, 2010 at 12:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’irony
    doesn’t this contradict the ASD and the fact that women don’t want fuck men that have a reputation for sleeping around? (at least don’t want to be seen fucking men that sleep around)
    ”””””””””
    lol

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  64. “I don’t actually believe theories that men are responsible for repressing female sexuality, at all.”

    they haven’t repressed it in reality as much as they have repressed it from their own minds.
    madonna is the idol even today, the wrong one for most.

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  65. on July 28, 2010 at 12:37 pm Emperor Maximillian

    @Robert

    Yes, it does. The principals of female psychology and how to exploit it are universal. I wish I knew this before I was married; I did so many things wrong. I’m married to a very religious girl, and before I started passing shit tests and exerting dominance, my marriage was miserable. Now, it’s only tolerable, but I have hope that with honing my game, in another year or so it could be enjoyable. I have a lot of betatude to undo, still.

    In fact, the biggest thing I haven’t successfully used to my advantage yet is my wife’s jealousy over my interactions with other women.

    The other area of life it’s helped is running game on my female boss. Now, I’ll never sleep with her, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t manipulate her into being less of a bitch.

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  66. Roissy,

    While you’re on science kick…not sure if you’ve heard of the the study that came out of the university of texas this month…

    There is a link to the study in the article….

    http://greenanswers.com/news/175732/ticking-biological-clock-more-casual-sex

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  67. on July 28, 2010 at 12:46 pm OnlineSeducer

    Roissy what do you think of this ?

    http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/07/24/on-her-wedding-day-saying-the-things-left-unsaid/

    it does sound very passive-aggressive…actually some of the female commenters in the post shout ” Selfish, Creep, Get over it, good riddance, passive aggressive”

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  68. on July 28, 2010 at 12:47 pm Stud Dynamite

    Of course. It’s sort of a shadow social proof. The way you behave shows your past experiences. Remember Roissy’s apocalypse opener post. “Has it worked before?”
    You show that you been there before and other women digged it:
    * open easily and confidently, ideally with a “Hey”, but I got an accent so dunno, for more typical guys maybe you need more there… – showing you do this all the time.
    * escalate and show sexual interest the same way, showing it’s not a big deal for you
    * offer sex showing it’s not a big deal and you’re not squamish about it. “Let’s get out of here” / “Let’s go to my place”. Showing that it’s normal in your world. This was a big stumbling point for me as before I started playing big I’d just pump buying temprature and let it fall in my lap, I think I lost tons of opportunities because of that.
    If I had to boil down all the “game” into one page, it would be our host’s “Visualizing Beta”. Guy who is afraid, who logically wants women, but instinctively believes he’s below them, so his wanting them is a joke. Don’t be that guy. And when you’re afraid to offer sex out in the open, you are. Take your cockas seriously.

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  69. Girly Girl

    Although it is not as prevalent, betas exist everywhere.

    I think you’re slightly wrong about Christianity, from what I’ve seen. Whereas its not as bad as liberalism, cultural memes have heavily infected it, including Catholics.

    There was an uproar in the UK about it that shows you how far the infection in the church goes.

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  70. on July 28, 2010 at 1:00 pm Miley_Cyrax

    Sounds try hard and liable for triggering anti-slut defense. Instance where academic knowledge has no corresponding tactic; roissys overreaching with this one.

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  71. I have used casual mentions of my escort use to get ‘unpaid sex’, so yes.. it works EVEN IF the alternative sexual partner is paid, as long as the woman is aware that she is attractive (pictures on website) and accessible (the guy has enough money).

    I wrote about this in a june post on my blog-

    http://dissention.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/female-reaction-to-confessions-of-escort-use-1/

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  72. on July 28, 2010 at 1:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Emperor Maximillian
    @Robert

    Yes, it does. The principals of female psychology and how to exploit it are universal. I wish I knew this before I was married; I did so many things wrong. I’m married to a very religious girl, and before I started passing shit tests and exerting dominance, my marriage was miserable. Now, it’s only tolerable, but I have hope that with honing my game, in another year or so it could be enjoyable. I have a lot of betatude to undo, still.

    In fact, the biggest thing I haven’t successfully used to my advantage yet is my wife’s jealousy over my interactions with other women.

    The other area of life it’s helped is running game on my female boss. Now, I’ll never sleep with her, but that doesn’t mean that I can’t manipulate her into being less of a bitch.
    ””””’
    I started keeping track of how much the wife and I were touching each other and how much I was teasing picking her up. Like yea consciously aware of what I do all day. But yea not consciously doing the shit but like watching myself do shit from outside. I basically make her laugh all fuckin day with some fun fucking around. I incorporated a pussy wetness check to see if I am doing it right. When I have her laughing and am teasing her. I went and checked the pussy with my finger and sure enough it was wet. he he he
    So guys in ltr you can get instant feedback on how much she is tingleing by actually just going ahead and doing a check on the pussy right away after some shit you thought was alpha. Was interesting. Might be a way of checking if you passed a shit test. You could ask her or check the pussy. The pussy don’t lie he he he

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  73. @ dragnet

    I’ve been told (by men) that being “smart, pretty, funny and interesting,” is what made them like me and I think it’s those four things together that make anyone “worth fighting for”. I don’t think it matters how many people a woman has slept with so long as her personality is fascinating to the man.

    I think men who explicitly/obsessively look for “loyalty” and “femininity/submissiveness” are insecure saps who have been used and abused by women in the past and are out on a self-righteous mission to put the femicunts in their places so they can feel masculine again. No sane woman wants that kind of emotional baggage.

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  74. Omegaman, you need wingwomen.

    If you have any pro game female friends, especially cute to hot ones, shoot them a message before you go out with someone, and tell them to call or message you a few times.

    Put their photos (preferably somewhat suggestive poses) with their contact information on your cell phone, so that the pic comes up with the ring. That gets the hamster running.

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  75. @Sniper

    If you want a man to go nuts for you, you need to be a challenge worth fighting for. This is age old female wisdom.

    I agree that people usually don’t appreciate things that fall into their lap too readily, this is true for women too. Falling straight into a guy’s arms is not usually going to result in a lasting relationship.

    But the whole “challenge” thing can be very misleading. A lot of the time women who describe themselves as a challenge are hell to deal with and send most men running in the opposite direction.

    Maybe – keep him guessing- would be a better approximation of what I think you mean.

    I think women though much prefer the excitement of not knowing what is going on more than men do, sometimes men just get fed up with not knowing where a woman is at and move on.

    That’s not to say that your strategy wouldn’t work with some men, but I think it would need to be much more than simply the reverse of male game – I’d be interested to see how you’d expand on it.

    Also, if a man has lots of other options, it’s not going to work unless they’re fairly strongly attracted to you to begin with in the absence of close proximity or some other factor which creates a situation giving you a particular & unique advantage over these other options.

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  76. So, is using their own lie “I don’t usually do these things” for hinting pre-selection?

    Brilliant.

    @Advocatus Diavoli

    With an alpha frame strong enough, you can do ANYTHING. Except being too much beta.

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  77. on July 28, 2010 at 1:21 pm greatbooksformen

    hey ever since you guys have been reading me, when you see a chick texting on a date, do you go lzozoozlzzolzozlzoozlzz she must be setting something up with gbfm zlozzlzol hwile i the beta am buying her idnner lzozlzlzozo

    when you hear a chcik say “where are all teh good men?”
    do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

    when you hear a chcik say “men refuse to grow up these days”
    do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

    when you hear a chcik say “sarah palin represents good christain values more than newt gingrich”
    do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

    when you hear a chcik say “i really enjoyed jonah goldbergs liberal fascism he had really good insights”
    do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

    when you hear a chcik say “i think we should bomb iran and abort for fethuses”
    do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

    when you hear a bernankified chcik say “i butthexed up until the age of 24 but now that i’ve had my fun i am ready to settle down and hav you pay for what i used to give away for free when it was younger hotter tighter”
    do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

    when you hear a bernankified chcik say “i got into the harvard school of government and will be working for the imf to make the world a better place, but not for the americans whjo are losing their homesand jobs nor for the 50,000,000 aborted fethues”
    do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

    when you call a chcik and ask her on a date (how beta is dating lzozlzzlo dating is sooooo 1988) and she ignores your callsss and just texts you back once a month to keep her gina inyour mind do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

    lzozlzozllzozozozoozloz

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  78. on July 28, 2010 at 1:21 pm Miley_Cyrax

    @ sniper
    You got gamed. Paradigm example of qualifying a girl, giving her reasons (even if imagined) you like her other than her looks to circumvent female insecurity and/or indignance.

    The rest of your post is just no true scotsman. “No truly secure man would prefer femininity/loyalty…”

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  79. @Sniper

    “I think men who explicitly/obsessively look for “loyalty” and “femininity/submissiveness” are insecure saps who have been used and abused by women in the past and are out on a self-righteous mission to put the femicunts in their places so they can feel masculine again. No sane woman wants that kind of emotional baggage.”

    Either that, or they don’t want to put of with the baggage that comes with dating the town whore.

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  80. @Sniper
    I’ve been told (by men) that being “smart, pretty, funny and interesting,” is what made them like me and I think it’s those four things together that make anyone “worth fighting for”.

    I just saw this comment. I think that “pretty” would probably come a strong first there if the guys were being strictly honest.

    I’m nearly but not quite tempted to say that it’s quite possible it should read
    “pretty, not dumb, not over-serious and not boring”

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  81. i’ve found this tactic works great with a girl who has put you in the friend-zone. tell her excitedly you just met a hot chick you are going to see in a few nights you can’t wait to fuck and your friend-zone girl with rush, rush, rush to put you in her end-zone before that date happens.

    i discovered this tactic by accident years ago and have used it ever since.

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  82. I do have to clarify, when there have been competition about a guy, i have done what sniper is talking about and it makes the guy go after me, not the others, its really weird, but if i would be more slutty at first, he wouldn’t like me that much..

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  83. Sniper says, “I’ve been told (by men) that being “smart, pretty, funny and interesting,” is what made them like me and I think it’s those four things together that make anyone “worth fighting for”. I don’t think it matters how many people a woman has slept with so long as her personality is fascinating to the man.”

    Oh, yes it does. Some men are more flexible about numbers than others only because some women are less emotionally damaged from sleeping around or from breakups than others. A woman who is smart, pretty, fun, and interesting, is likely to have had fewer partners, or she is a more pleasant and adept hoe. Either way, she’s not behaving like “damaged goods”.

    Guys don’t want to date damaged women unless they’re Captain Save-a-hoe types.

    “I think men who explicitly/obsessively look for “loyalty” and “femininity/submissiveness” are insecure saps who have been used and abused by women in the past and are out on a self-righteous mission to put the femicunts in their places so they can feel masculine again. No sane woman wants that kind of emotional baggage.”

    Maybe some guys haven’t been abused in the past, and don’t want to start being abused.

    In my experience, guys who are damaged tend to stupidly chase more damage. The guys who are unbroken by their bad experiences, or have had few bad experiences tend to select for loyalty and submissiveness (which is not the same as helplessness).

    A guy who is not looking for loyalty or submissiveness is looking for trouble.

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  84. Last week. Day 2 at my house. She’s cold and not putting out. I start staring out the window at every car passing by. She says what are you looking for, a stalker? I chuckle nervously and say you never know. Suddenly she’s flat on the couch, pulls her shirt up and says “look how tight my stomach is.” I sit next to her, keep checking out the window while I feel her tummy. She then pulls her shirt up showing her pink bra and says “pay attention to me!” 5 minutes later she is over the end of the couch get the hell pounded out of her.

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  85. “A woman casting around for a way to hook such a guy by differentiating herself from the common herd may feel that playing hard to get is exactly the way to do this.”

    Clark Gable’s last wife hooked him using this technique.

    The Most Desirable Movie Star Of All Time got the gal into his home and after some mild snuggling said, “Why don’t you go upstairs and get undressed?” She replied, “Why don’t you go shit in your hat?”

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  86. on July 28, 2010 at 1:31 pm greatbooksformen

    when you hear a bernankified chcik say “hey i read in the weekly standadth that tucker max the secretiev taper of butthex is six feet tall and a succtheful filmmaker written by a neocn womenz so it must be true”
    do you golozlzozozozlz picturing gbfm doin her from behind while she’s sucking roissy’s cock lzozlzozzlzzlozozozlzoz the nite nihgth before?

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  87. One of the tenets of game is that no woman is a special snowflake worth fighting for. To do so is to further inflate their sense of entitlement.

    Loyalty and femininity are useless….in a P&D.

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  88. sdaedalus–

    I’m nearly but not quite tempted to say that it’s quite possible it should read
    “pretty, not dumb, not over-serious and not boring”

    Not for me SD, esp. not for relationships. I’ve always liked my girls smart. Yeah sure there’s a pretty threshold first. “Pretty, smart, curious and playful” might be how I’d put it. Oh and loyal and loving, for a LTR girl.

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  89. Bictopia, having sex earlier or later doesn’t matter. If a guy likes you and wants to keep you, he’ll do so. If not, then it doesn’t matter if you make him wait a year or more.

    You don’t really know a guy until after the sex. Waiting could be just an exercise in futility, wasting your time on someone who may think the sex is worth the wait or the effort, but who doesn’t think that you’re worth keeping.

    I’m speaking from both observation and experience here. Since you’re a good girl, you’ve got to be able to know when you’re following some silly rules, and when you’re really just waiting to build trust.

    …and honestly, if you don’t at least want to jump a guy at some point during the first conversation, it’s probably not going to change without psychological acrobatics.

    I shagged both my husbands the day we met. It’s not my standard policy, but they were the two guys I couldn’t keep my hands off of no matter what I told myself.

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  90. @bictopia

    I’d be willing to bet a level of coyness worked for you when you were the best looking of the “contestants.” Point taken that slutting it up is unattractive and some degree of detachment can work in a girl’s favor.

    On the other hand, the more options a guy has, the sooner he’s going to say to himself, “I don’t have to put up with this shit,” and move along to option B.

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  91. on July 28, 2010 at 1:41 pm greatbooksformen

    hey have any of you guys ever known a womenz to pick up a great book or classic work on eocnmics on her own and read it?

    me neither lzozlzl

    is it any wonder then that edmund burke and teh great books have been repalced with butthex stories and secrteiev patpers of butthex without the women’z conthent as left to their own devices womenz see secrteiev tapings of butthex as heroic, but not thinking like edmund burke nor socrates?

    lzozlozolzllozlzlz

    that is why the fed wires soooooooooooo much fiat dollars 2 womenz to destory culture and the currency, to drug up and dumb down the young men, fuck sodomites, an dtehn rape good men in divorce ocutrt the woman run corpate state. lzozlzlzlzlzozoz

    follow da money

    men create work invent build fight wars die invent create manufacture build

    and bernake and his firends need all this true wealth

    so they wire fiat dollarz o woemnz and trian them how t transfer wealth in their mba law programs by wearing short skirts lzozozlzozlzlzo

    they promise the womenz children and careers and everything but then the womenz wake up wione day with sore anuthes and catz and wonder what happened lzozlzozlzlzlz

    womenz aren’t very good at oral imaginations nor planning for long term futures based on abstratc ideals which is why priscilla painton at simon and shcuster prefers 2 fund finacne piublish promote secretievtappered of butthex iwthout the girlths conthent and charlotte alleen our good friend repeasts secretiev tapers of butthex lies in the pages of the weekly standadth.

    when men run things you get burke jefferson hermningway fitzgerald salinger dostoevsky homer virgil hesus socrates mses buddha ghandi mises hayek adam smith washington shopenhausre burke kirk.

    when woemnze un things you get sedretievtapers of butthec without thei girlths conthent as that makres their gina tingle s while the heroic soul and the heoic men leave their ginas dry as the true heroes belled dryu on foreign shores in their foreign neocon wars lzozlzlzlzlzoz

    isn’t it funny how jonah goldburg beats the war drums, while the most decorate us marine hero smdely butler of all time is against war, alongside jesus?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

    “He became widely-known for his outspoken lectures against war profiteering, U.S. military adventurism and what he viewed as nascent fascism in the United States. In addition to his speeches to pacifist groups, from 1935 to 1937 he served as a spokesman for the American League Against War and Fascism.[49][50] In 1935 he wrote the exposé War Is a Racket, a trenchant condemnation of the profit motive behind warfare. His views on the subject are summarized in the following passage from a 1935 issue of the socialist magazine Common Sense:

    I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.[12]

    BUTTTTHEX! The neocns screams. BUTTHEX! SECTRIVE TAPOINGS AND MORE ANAL BUTTHEXAND PREEMPTIVE WARS MORE WARS AGAINST THE UNBORN AND BUTTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  92. @sdaed..

    @Robert Goulet
    the most beta column ever written, or a column written by a former beta who is now squarely an omega?

    There is more to that column than meets the eye. ”

    naah .. this column made me puke in disgust .. No matter how grindingly tough life gets ..you as a man must maintain a quite sense of manly dignity .. a faith so deep that no matter what comes you will not flinch .. a head so cool as to always seek the bitter medicine of reality to the sweet poison of delusions .. a will so strong as to conquer oneself ..

    It might be tempting to confide in people .. but this will only give them power over you .. nobody respects a man who shares his feelings ..especially if they imply insecurity …seek help but never seek support .. all this sharing feelings stuff is very feminine .. men need to toughen the fuck up

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  93. @SD,

    but I think that where a man is exceptionally attractive…

    Don’t forget the target audience here: beta males. No one here is an alpha male. Welcome to the chump locker. I’m sorry but the kind of guy you speak of, the exceptionally attractive alpha male, he won’t be commenting on this blog. He’s either on the beach right now with a boat drink or he’s on the golf course.

    The women who comment on this blog are female chumps, which includes you. Anoukange is another chump, as is Nicole. You’re all chumpettes. The only thing worthwhile you bring is your intrasexual rivalry when you’re vying for attention.

    Please remember this is a male space and I don’t think the guys here are deeply concerned about a counter strategy for obtaining a woman who is playing hard to get.

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  94. @JonnyB
    Clark Gable’s last wife hooked him using this technique.

    The Most Desirable Movie Star Of All Time got the gal into his home and after some mild snuggling said, “Why don’t you go upstairs and get undressed?” She replied, “Why don’t you go shit in your hat?”

    Yes, but what’s significant here is not just the technique, but the way she tailored it to suit the subject. Gable loved tough sassy broads with an inclination towards profanity. Attention to detail is key.

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  95. on July 28, 2010 at 1:52 pm beta_disciple

    I just remembered a good example of aloofness game, probably several clips of which can be found on Youtube : the 70s (I think) show “I Dream of Jeannie”

    See how the submissive Jeannie follows her ‘master’ around and tries to seduce him as he keeps brushing off her attentions.

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  96. Well, waiting, im not letting the guy wait but some month? it depends on how frequently we meet.
    i don’t know maybe he wouldn’t like me less, maybe.. but i think i would be much more a target for PUA’s if i was more easy going on this matter.

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  97. Sexy Pterodactyl would also be what I call an exceptionally attractive male specimen (“man” hardly being the operative word here).

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  98. on July 28, 2010 at 1:53 pm greatbooksformen

    “Tim

    @SD,

    but I think that where a man is exceptionally attractive…

    Don’t forget the target audience here: beta males. No one here is an alpha male. Welcome to the chump locker. I’m sorry but the kind of guy you speak of, the exceptionally attractive alpha male, he won’t be commenting on this blog. He’s either on the beach right now with a boat drink or he’s on the golf course. ”

    TIM IS A BUTTHEXER!!! LZOZLZOZLZLZ

    tim is tyring to say you have to be a metrossxul with “a boat drink” to be an alpha llaoalalaooaaollaoaaao

    tim is syaing that the menwearing uniforms and sweating 2day and tomorrow an dthe etx day aren’t alphas, or else they would be sipping boat drinks, while caressing tim’s cock and greasing up tim’s anuth, as that is how tim defines alphahood.l lzoozlzzoozlozlzozlzozozozoz

    tim = butthexer lzozlzoozo

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  99. @Anonymous

    That column must have been tongue-in-cheek. Maybe I have a very jaundiced (or maybe an unduly favorable) view of men but I refuse to believe that there is any man out there who could write it sincerely. At the very least he was trying for the female sympathy vote.

    Genuinely. I am a forgiving person myself (hi Tim!) but there are limits.

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  100. Tim–

    Don’t forget the target audience here: beta males. No one here is an alpha male.

    Speak for yourself.

    I’m mostly here for the gender realism. But not entirely.

    I was sort of partly natural, partly self taught by observing others that were even more successful. But yeah the game tips are good and for me make conscious a lot of stuff I do subconsciously, by feel. But some new things too. As well Roissy ties it up into a unified theory better than anyone else teaching game that I know of, not that I’ve looked at others all that much. A little. Most of the rest are more cook book. Roissy is great at teaching inner game.

    For example I’ve long known that things like palm reading, personality tests, astrology, eastern zen type philosophy, and just about anything that reads a girls emotions and psychology are cat nip for most chicks. Really for all if you chose the right one for her. I’ve never taken the effort to learn routines like the cube etc. though because, well, I haven’t needed to. Still might be useful one of these days….

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  101. on July 28, 2010 at 1:56 pm greatbooksformen

    RE: TIM, BOAT DRINKS, & BUTTHEX!!!! THE NEOCON CREITERION. lzozlzlozozlzllzlz

    beacuse smedley butler, war hero and war opposer, isn’t SIPPING BOAT DRINKS next 2 tim on the beach while squiritn suntan lotion of tim’ anuth and preppeing it for some alpha loving, tim tries to cast smdley butler as a beta, just like the neocons are always doing lzozlzzl.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

    “He became widely-known for his outspoken lectures against war profiteering, U.S. military adventurism and what he viewed as nascent fascism in the United States. In addition to his speeches to pacifist groups, from 1935 to 1937 he served as a spokesman for the American League Against War and Fascism.[49][50] In 1935 he wrote the exposé War Is a Racket, a trenchant condemnation of the profit motive behind warfare. His views on the subject are summarized in the following passage from a 1935 issue of the socialist magazine Common Sense:

    I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.[12]

    BOAT DRINKS & BUTTTTHEX IS ALPHA! The tim neocns screams. BOAT DRINKS & BUTTHEX! SECTRIVE TAPOINGS AND MORE ANAL BOAT DRINKS BUTTHEXAND PREEMPTIVE WARS MORE WARS AGAINST THE UNBORN AND BUTTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  102. @Doug
    sdaedalus–

    I’m nearly but not quite tempted to say that it’s quite possible it should read
    “pretty, not dumb, not over-serious and not boring”

    Not for me SD, esp. not for relationships. I’ve always liked my girls smart. Yeah sure there’s a pretty threshold first. “Pretty, smart, curious and playful” might be how I’d put it. Oh and loyal and loving, for a LTR girl.

    That’s why I said “nearly, but not quite tempted”, Doug. There are some men out there for whom smartness is an asset (as opposed to lack of smartness being a liability). But smartness without sensitivity and a sense of humor becomes a liability even for men who like smart women.

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  103. Here is a good line to say:

    You: “I’m not sure, I don’t know if we’re meant to do it… It’s just like… Your mother already jumped on me. I did your cousins one after the other. I just butthexed your sister last week. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. But give me some more time, though.”

    Her (hysterically but in a feminine way): “now, nooowwww, buttthhhexxx meeeee…”

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  104. @bictopia

    That was incoherent.

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  105. Tim–

    Please remember this is a male space and I don’t think the guys here are deeply concerned about a counter strategy for obtaining a woman who is playing hard to get.

    You’re a bitter beta turd.

    A puffing up little rooster in his own mind that SDaedalus tolerated far too long at per place. Rooster with no pretty hens. Abuse isn’t a neg, dumb wad.

    I’d far, far rather see you gone from here than most of the female regulars.

    If you’d like, I’m sure I could round up a male possy to continually harass and belittle you here, you’re so worthless.

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  106. The 27 year old that has had a few one night stands and munched on quite a few cocks when she was younger- she is the one that has decided to make men wait for it- not that she is 27.

    if she makes you wait for it- when you know she gave it away for free when she was younger, that doesn’t make her a catch- it just makes you dislike her.

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  107. Bhetti

    “Girly Girl

    Although it is not as prevalent, betas exist everywhere.

    I think you’re slightly wrong about Christianity, from what I’ve seen. Whereas its not as bad as liberalism, cultural memes have heavily infected it, including Catholics.

    There was an uproar in the UK about it that shows you how far the infection in the church goes.”

    Very true. Unlike progressive, liberal, evangelical churhces, fundamentalist Christianity is all about masculine men and submissive women and is very cognizant of the natural tendencies of men/women. It’s interesting how many of the societal ills that Roissy describes (and attributes to feminism) have a functional prescription found in appropriately applied Christian principles.

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  108. on July 28, 2010 at 2:05 pm Steve Johnson

    Robert Goulet:

    “Either way…does it get more pathetic than this? Good lord.”

    Well yeah, the content there is amazingly pathetic.

    But the read between the lines statement isn’t quite as pathetic: “I FUCKED YOUR NEW WIFE!” (when she was younger, tighter, hotter).

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  109. i agree with Nicole. if you really like a girl it doesn’t matter if you sleep with her on date 1 or 5.

    if you really like her, you are going to want to see her again.
    in fact: if she makes you wait too long, you may lose interest, and become bitter.

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  110. on July 28, 2010 at 2:07 pm greatbooksformen

    how much y waana bet that tim is a beta neocon lzozlzozllz

    anyone who says that boat drinks and secretiev tapings of butthex make one alpha just because sodm and schuster and theweekly standadth promote this is a beta hata lzozlzozllz

    hye tim come back.

    come on.

    c’on!

    c’omn!!!

    stand abd face da great bookfs for men withyour boat drink in one hand and anal lube in the other lzozlzozlozozoozozozozooozoo

    neocons zlozlzozozozo

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  111. on July 28, 2010 at 2:12 pm greatbooksformen

    “game.in.bk

    i agree with Nicole. if you really like a girl it doesn’t matter if you sleep with her on date 1 or 5.

    if you really like her, you are going to want to see her again.
    in fact: if she makes you wait too long, you may lose interest, and become bitter.”

    well, fucktard, by that logic i guess that if you really liekd her it wouldn’t matter if she gave you a handjob in te bath room right after you ask her for her number ad then paid you $100bucks for letting her do it. lzolzozlzlz

    how a girl acts does actually influence ho i liek her.

    fucktard.

    if a girl fucks you on the first date i can guarantee you this–you ani’t teh first and you won’t be the last zlozlzzlzzooz

    so fuck & Run before she brings another guy into the situation and starts fucking him and complicates your life.

    who needs other cocks unless you’re a cock lover like game.in.bk? lzozlzozozo (game.in.buttkool)

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  112. Sorry I know it was, i answered Nicole,
    but what i experienced that a guy with options, likes that game if he search for ltr. and guys not interested in ltr or me wouldn’t stick around so long.

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  113. greatbooksformen,
    if she gave me 100 bucks and a handjob i would really like her.

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  114. Doug

    Don’t worry about it.

    Tim, I have always presumed most of the guys who comment here are attractive to women based on what they have said, maybe that was my mistake for taking things said at face value.

    Also, I did direct my comment specifically to CR, who appears to be a fairly dab hand at pulling women.

    As far as I’m concerned, yes, I probably am a chump in that I don’t really understand men as well as I would like to. That’s why I’m here, to try to learn a bit more.

    Asking questions is a good way to learn, maybe the questions aren’t that relevant in practice given that I’m unlikely ever to meet an exceptionally attractive man in real life, and if I do, he’d probably run a mile, but they help in terms of understanding generally.

    You don’t have to waste time answering my questions if you think they are stupid, and please feel free to skip over them.

    PS: are you Wendy Schwartz in disguise?

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  115. greatbooksformen,
    if you give me a 100bucks and a handjob, ill still call you in the morning.

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  116. @Sdaedalus, Sniper,

    Also, if a man has lots of other options, it’s not going to work unless they’re fairly strongly attracted to you to begin with in the absence of close proximity or some other factor which creates a situation giving you a particular & unique advantage over these other options.

    Sdaedalus has it right. Women say “I was too much of a challenge” to gloss over the fact that half the time they’re just too annoying to deal with.

    I dated a woman who was always pushing, and threw out the worst shit-tests. After trying (but failing) to embarrass me in front of my friends and a relative, and then hopelessly pursuing it long after the moment’s expiry date had gone off, I called her out on it. She stopped.

    A week later, she mentioned this incident again, as a way of shoring up her thesis: I didn’t like challenging women. Hence, why I didn’t like some things she did.

    I countered: You’re just annoying and pushy and falsely socialized. You’re not a challenge – you’re annoying.

    So women use this claim to gloss over the character flaws they’ve carefully excused.

    In general in my experience, men don’t want “a challenge”, it’s true; not the kind of challenge that makes women annoying. But they DO like a challenge when it comes to being interesting.

    I’ll choose an interesting challenge over boring any day; but I’ll avoid annoying at all costs.

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  117. Doug please,

    Do you really believe I was negging her? Please. She already told me she’s here because no guys at work or anywhere will so much as smile at her. Not even look at her. In other words, she’s maybe a solid six. This is her way of compensating, of garnering male attention. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth. It’s pretty sad, don’t you think?

    Nicole has already told everyone her husband won’t fuck her, so she has several ‘bottom bitches’ she fucks instead. Do I need to explain further?

    I don’t really know you’re story, but you’re here, you’re 50 yrs old, and if you had important stuff to do, you’d be doing it. Don’t embarrass yourself, sir. I’m being kind to you.

    Let’s focus on how GUYS practise game, not on how girls do.

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  118. @ Derb, Robert Goulet, Sdaed, etc. re: creepy old beta dude article.

    That is the worst kind of beta; a passive-aggressive guilt tripper in the guise of being gracious. He can’t even slink away like a coward. He lashes out passive aggressively like a jilted woman, still pining away years later. There should be a whole new category for that sort.

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  119. @ Sniper

    “I’ve been told (by men) that being “smart, pretty, funny and interesting,” is what made them like me and I think it’s those four things together that make anyone “worth fighting for”. I don’t think it matters how many people a woman has slept with so long as her personality is fascinating to the man.”

    I’ll chalk up the shrillness and shaming language voiced in your opinions to the usual combination of projection and female solipsism.

    The truth is that being “smart, pretty, funny and interesting” isn’t rare—in fact, it’s fairly common. Most of the women you’ll meet are going to be fairly good-looking if they take care of themselves, educated, well-rounded with diverse interests, have a bit of charisma and a decent sense of humor. In fact, I’ve never fucked a woman who didn’t. But those things won’t keep a couple together through thick and thin and therefore, those things don’t make a girl LTR worthy. She’s gotta have that something else if it’s gonna last, and it’s those things that make her “worthy”.

    And a person’s sexual history absolutely matters with regards to whether or not they’re LTR material. A woman who has had many sexual partners is a lot less likely to stay sexually/emotionally faithful than a women who has had fewer partners. Same goes for men.

    “I think men who explicitly/obsessively look for “loyalty” and “femininity/submissiveness” are insecure saps who have been used and abused by women in the past and are out on a self-righteous mission to put the femicunts in their places so they can feel masculine again. No sane woman wants that kind of emotional baggage.”

    Please don’t put “submissiveness” in quotes—I said no such thing. Please don’t project your bullshit onto what I said. Don’t attack quotes you made up out a whole cloth. Address what I actually said instead of dealing in strawmanship. Femininity does not equal submissiveness, and to explicitly look for something does not mean to obsess over it. For someone so proud of her IQ you shouldn’t have this much difficulty with basic vocab and argument.

    ___________________________________________

    @ Nicole

    Nice comment on this.

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  120. on July 28, 2010 at 2:23 pm greatbooksformen

    yah man feel free to use it all anywhere lzozlzolzzoz i thk the matrix post would be funny in digital animation:

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/i-can-show-you-the-way-neo-but-you-will-have-to-walk-it-zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo/

    alos one cock rule would rock as a animated rap:

    OMG both of you betado9uches above are violating THE ONE COCK RULE!!!

    You are alloowing chix to bring other COCKS into your mind lozlzlzzoz zlozllzl. The second a chick makes me think of another cock she is outta my house outta my mind or if she’s texting on a date which almost never happens because i almost never date i go “i gotta use the men’s room lzozlzl” and then i leave her with the bill. she can text her ten other cocks to comne over and pay for her drniks/dinner lzozlzlzllzlzlz and then,. after paying, they have full right to gizizizizizalizzz all over her lzozlz

    “I’ve been seeing this girl for a year. We live together and I’ve still got hand.”

    OMG lzozzlzll wtf are fuckity fucks doing with chix in your homes? lzozlzlzlz omg lozlzlzlzlzl looozers lzozlzlzlz1!! hzhzh

    THEY VIOLATE THE ONE COCK RULE THEY ARE OUT! OUT!

    OUT!

    O U T OUT! lzozlzlzl

    OMG lozlzlzozlozozolzl wft r u doing dating a chick 4 a yer did your dick fall off? Were yu chosen by Beernanke and given an award and medal to support today’s slutty slutt vampiressses cuckholders cockcutters?

    sounds 2 me it is the latter as u have no cock lzozlzlzlzl lzzozl

    and she made you think of another cock

    fucktard haven’t u heard of the one cock rule?

    hey roissy yo!! let’s teach these douches somethin ’bout nbein a man yo!

    throw a beat over this way.
    yo yo yo yo
    yo yo yo

    now hit it!

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no beta fool i ain’t no beta tool
    about another cock ya make me think
    i’m gone, yo bitch,
    let the betas buy yas yer next drink

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
    over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
    letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
    then you blame the betas in school
    and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
    jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
    stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
    neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
    even after menopause and no need for da ragz
    telling young chickas to lust after vampires
    as they build their fiat empires

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
    about another cock ya make me think
    i’m gone, yo bitch,
    let the betas buy yas yer next drink

    let the betas pay to raise your bastard kids
    let the betas sign teh fiat masters marriage contracts
    theft in fiat inflation is hid
    as they swing their bankrupting axe
    i don’t care what last night u did,
    ever since i kicked ya gina out, i been relaxed.

    as they promote butthex across the land
    ripping out fetuses from parenthood planned
    as fathers form teh homes the neocons ban
    the atalnatic authoresses just don’t undertsand

    but when chix wakes up and her butt is sore
    it’s not my fault no–it’s cause she’s a whore
    as the fiat masters desoul women with butthex cock
    teach them to transfer wealth with pre-teen strumpet rock

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
    about another cock ya make me think
    i’m gone, yo bitch,
    let the betas buy yas yer next drink

    womenz womenz bernanke took advanatge of you
    you wasted your best years on vampires and werewolves
    and now you cry your tears cause of your sore anus
    stamp your little feet saying, “you betas must pay for this!!!”

    and aging neocon women promoting butthexing vampires
    teacxhing women to lust after the undead
    as the neocons suck the western world dry
    bankrupting it all,m enlsaving it debt
    while selfish womenz at the atalnatic monthly
    cry cry cry
    cry cry cry
    not for you or me
    but for themselves
    not for the 50,000,000 aborted souls
    but for their dried up ginas and sore assholes
    so many chances they had to marry a nice guy
    but he left her dry
    so whe butthexed with the asshole
    and now see her cry
    and wonder why
    and transofrm the entire univeristy
    into a program to further the fiat lie
    to transfer wealth and wage war and death
    to about fifty million more
    and redefine fifty cocks in her ass as empowered
    and not a whore

    all together now!

    lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
    lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
    lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

    one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
    about another cock ya make me think
    i’m gone, yo bitch,
    let the betas buy yas yer next drink
    alreayd seen yer pink stink
    bent ya over the sink

    and howscomes the bankers southpark never does satarize
    because everything is fair game–truth love honor–excpet for fiat butthexing lies.

    all together now!

    lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
    lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
    lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo

    AND THREE COCK RULE:

    ^^^^ to the 24 for or so tardbetadouches who voted my “one cock rule” rap down

    lozlzlzlzlozzllzlzlzlz

    what do ya want?

    a two cock rule rap?

    or three cock rule?

    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i’m a beta herb my own cock won’t do
    i need a chick to cuckold me
    i need a chick on me to pee
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i love being the greater fool
    one cock in her mouth, one in her anus,
    i keep mine in my pants,
    and pay her bills and rent and fare for da bus.
    so she can club and grind, on denim cocks dance.
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i treat my lady like a nice guy,
    give her chivarly while with 2 others she doth lie,
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    while your cock doth touch her stool,
    i play videogames @ home in my single mom’s basement,
    as teh fed fianance feminsits studies @ school,
    teaching her to love and bail out the butthexers,
    to persucte me 4 letting her live 4 free,
    while she tickles drummer/druggie cock until it goes
    splooge splooge splooge! tee hee tee hee!
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i’m the beta herb, teh cuckholded fool,
    i respect her, keep my cock in my pants,
    fund her with other cocks to dance.

    lozlzlzlzl

    or would u betaherbs prefer a five cock rule rap! omg i bet someofya would like dat! lzozl

    lzozozozo

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  121. Understandable. You’re demonstrating that you value yourself, which is attractive, and you offer yourself a longer period of time to help ensure you’re not dating a douchebag.

    But, has it ever backfired on you? Did someone you like leave in the early stages and you had no idea why? Or has it always worked to your favor?

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  122. I liked the letter that man wrote to his old girlfriend on her wedding day.

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  123. on July 28, 2010 at 2:26 pm greatbooksformen

    “game.in.bk

    greatbooksformen,
    if she gave me 100 bucks and a handjob i would really like her.”

    yah in dat psycho sort of wa.

    no duede. would. respect. a cick hw=o gave him an hand job in the batrhoroom just after he got hernumber nad ten paid him 100 bucks lsozlzzllzlz

    youwould be thinking to ourself, “holy shit how many neocons scertieve tapings of butthex thout her ocntehnt this poor girlmust hae had!!!!!!”

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  124. on July 28, 2010 at 2:32 pm greatbooksformen

    where’d tim go?

    oh yah he had to go fix himslef a boat drink and squirt sunatn lotion up his anuth and lie out on beach aiting for a neocon alpha to cum along and asscock him and tape it secretly bacues according to tim and the eneoncs, boat drinks = alpha.

    lzozozolzozlz

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  125. Tim

    Genuinely, I’m not looking for male attention, just trying to understand men better, also, I find how people interact interesting generally as a student of human nature. A lot of people who comment on this blog are very perceptive, and it’s good to get their opinion.

    Flirting is nice, but it’s not really the main reason I’m here. There are lots of other internet sites I could flirt on if I wished, but I wouldn’t get the same level of insight I do here.

    I could as easily say to you that because you comment extensively on LR’s blog, you are looking for female attention that you don’t get in real life, but I think that would be too simplistic. I suspect that your reasons for doing so are similar to mine above.

    I’m much more interested in how guys practice game than how girls do, but game is not practiced by guys in isolation, it’s based on influencing female behaviour, how to deal with certain approaches and tactics put forward by women is part of male game, and I find it interesting to get opinions on this.

    As a woman, I wouldn’t be qualified to rate myself, but as a person with both feet firmly on the ground instead of up in the princess castle in the sky, a solid six does not seem like the end of the world.

    However, as we’ll never meet in real life, and you’ll never see a photo of me, neither of us are ever going to know what rating you’d give me if you did.

    Best wishes
    SDaedalus

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  126. Tim–

    Do you really believe I was negging her? Please. She already told me she’s here because no guys at work or anywhere will so much as smile at her. Not even look at her. In other words, she’s maybe a solid six. This is her way of compensating, of garnering male attention. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth. It’s pretty sad, don’t you think?

    No I think it’s pretty great.

    I really don’t know if SD is a cute six, a pretty seven, or a very pretty 8, not that those categories will be the same for every guy. I do know she’s just out of a long relationship that she’s made it clear she should have left long ago but, well, she’s a rather traditional and deeply loyal sort of girl who really cares about someone she’s committed to.

    I know as well she’s created a charming highly literate and beautiful art aware salon at her place, full of her arch and dryly amusing, subtly playful commentary, that’s drawn a very, very intelligent crowd. And that your rather stand out there as utterly substandard, not to mention absurdly obnoxious.

    In sum, I think sdaedalus is delightful. And that you are anything but on all evidence so far (despite repeated apologies, promises to reform, and statements that it’s not the real you, etc.)

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  127. on July 28, 2010 at 2:34 pm namae nanka

    we need more feisty rebelliousvanillagirl’s posts to counter the stupidity that sniper posts. prettier, smarter, funnier and a lot more interesting.
    damn girl, where art thou?

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  128. greatbooksformen,

    WWJD?
    JC, wouldn’t cast that stone, and neither will I.
    A quick handjob doesn’t even register on my morality meter.

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  129. Im trying to remember if it has, but i don’t think so. When i really was found of someone, it did work. The closest i perhaps got to this is when any random new guy dropped into my circle of friends and me, and clearly just wanted one thing, he always found a girl thinking that he is serious but he was gone with the wind later.

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  130. FCE

    I’ve always done this. It’s instinctive.

    Part of the ASD disarmament weaponry.

    “No woman has wanted to wait more than three dates for sex.”

    “Korean women aren’t as conservative as you think, so don’t try to sell me on some cultural lie. I know how it is. If you like a guy, you don’t wait that long.”

    “You know how the salsa world is. Women have more personality and drive. They know what they want, and take it.”

    “My last GF threw me down on my bed and raped me. That’s when I knew she liked me.”

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  131. on July 28, 2010 at 2:40 pm greatbooksformen

    “Sniper

    @ dragnet

    I’ve been told (by men) that being “smart, pretty, funny and interesting,” is what made them like me and I think it’s those four things together that make anyone “worth fighting for”. I don’t think it matters how many people a woman has slept with so long as her personality is fascinating to the man.

    I think men who explicitly/obsessively look for “loyalty” and “femininity/submissiveness” are insecure saps who have been used and abused by women in the past and are out on a self-righteous mission to put the femicunts in their places so they can feel masculine again. No sane woman wants that kind of emotional baggage.”

    lozlzozozozoozoozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzl

    hey sniper how many cockas have yo ridden?

    you write “No sane woman wants that kind of emotional baggage of loyalty. ”

    lozozozlzlzozo

    there you have it guys.

    loyalty to a modern assocked, bernankified women = emotional baggage.

    pump and dump sesssions and secretivetapings of asscokcing sesisons without the girlths conthent = manly and waht tey want

    i mean charlotte allen and priscialla painton already stated thus lzozlzoozlzlz

    suck isthe wicked ways of the bernakified womenz deosuled in neocns asscoking sesisons secretivley taped by he necon asocking heroes who gt their lies about tehir height repeated “loyally” by the neocns lzozlzozlzozozo

    see they are loyal–just not to men and ideals and charcater and honor, but to butthex lzozlzlzozozoz

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  132. SDaedalus–

    PS: are you Wendy Schwartz in disguise?

    hahaha. Exactly.

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  133. That letter Derb forwarded – bllleeech!!!! lollzzlz retchhhhh!!

    Yeah, sure, that Andrew Cohen is “sincerely” happy for his ex-girlfriend who is getting married. When I am ‘sincerely’ happy for some chick, I send her sappy public love letters on occasion of her wedding. Not.

    What a pathetic weasel. He writes:

    The present I humbly send her today is this column; this public note, this irrevocable display of affection and support and gratitude; this worldly absolution from any guilt or sadness she felt between the time she said no to me and the time she said yes to him. No one ought to have to carry that with them into a marriage. I showered her with as much love as I could muster when we were together. I still love her and always will. So I am only too happy to offer my toast to her now, one more time, before she takes her vows.

    Hey Andrew – she doesn’t care. Her new husband isn’t threatened by you — they probably laugh their asses off at your letter, if they even read it. You are a puppy-eyed clown.

    He makes Rod Dreher sound stoic and unreflectively manly.

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  134. on July 28, 2010 at 2:42 pm greatbooksformen

    “game.in.bk

    greatbooksformen,

    WWJD?
    JC, wouldn’t cast that stone, and neither will I.
    A quick handjob doesn’t even register on my morality meter.”

    hey fucktard.

    a quick handjob and a chcik givinng you $100 in cash in teh bath room right after yu got her number would freak *Everyone* ot lzozlzozll

    stop being a tardyfuck lozlzozo

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  135. greatbooksformen,
    depends.
    did I use the apocalypse opener?

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  136. @ Doug1

    “I do know she’s just out of a long relationship that she’s made it clear she should have left long ago but, well, she’s a rather traditional and deeply loyal sort of girl who really cares about someone she’s committed to.”

    Well, according to Sniper, loyalty is for insecure saps.

    god what a cum-swilling whore.

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  137. on July 28, 2010 at 2:47 pm greatbooksformen

    hey sniper,

    at wat age did you feel yourself firstbeocming bernakifeid and twisted and castigating love honor and loyalot y as vices and slutty whoredom as virtuous just as bernakeneocons casts debt as wealth and honor and valor as beta attributes and butthex as virtuous expeically when secetely taped? how many cockas have been in your various orifces sniper? did you feel your soul levaing more when it is in your anuth, gina, or mouth? i am doing a sicentific study on this so thanx in advnced!!!

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  138. The problem with so many guys is they don’t understand the simple concept of “when it’s over, it’s over.” At least as far as emotional connections are concerned.

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  139. @ sdaedalus

    Yeah, I didn’t mean to imply that a woman should be difficult to be with (no boys, that does not mean “difficult to sleep with”) or high-maintenance in a superficial way. It’s just about making it really obvious that she has a life of her own that doesn’t revolve around pleasing men. You know, hobbies and interests, like healthy people should have.

    If game is really about building self-esteem through not obsessing about the opposite sex, then I don’t see what’s so gender specific about it. The sexes really aren’t that different and most healthy, well-rounded people are attracted to traits other than “pretty and nice teehee”.

    I’m nearly but not quite tempted to say that it’s quite possible it should read
    “pretty, not dumb, not over-serious and not boring”

    Eh, this is just one of those things that everyone is going to interpret how they want. Looks are a part of attraction, but if they were that important, there are loads of available pretty girls who will assuage male ego to go to.

    @ Miley_Cyrax

    You just no-true-scotsman’d yourself. “No true male would legitimately value traits in a woman other than looks.”

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  140. Gorbachev–

    I’ve always done this. It’s instinctive.

    Yeah.

    You just assume/create your own world and girls fit themselves into it, wanting to meet your high expectations.

    btw, Korean girls in Korea seem to have a particularly calculating view of avoiding a slut reputation, or keeping face in that way. In other words they’re not thinking in terms of whether “god will think they’ve become slutty” or whether they ARE becoming slutty, but only in terms of nothing getting around their usual circles that they’ve behaved slutty.

    I recently saw your bit elsewhere about the Korean girl who did fall madly in love with you, to your eventual guilt upon leaving. But do you think Korean girls generally fall deeply in love as much, or perhaps more, than Caucasian American girls?

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  141. 3 C Rule is a classic. That track needs to be recorded pronto.

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  142. Also, I never said that loyalty is a bad thing. No one likes or deserves to be cheated on. But constantly obsessing about whether or not a potential gf will be loyal = “I’ve been fucked over in the past and I need therapy but instead I will look to arbitrary tell-tale signs of a woman’s whoreishness” = BETA. If you love her, you trust her.

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  143. Look it, I don’t like fighting either, just an admission that this a bit of a freak show, that’s all. What kind of a freak show? Ok, I’ve got one.

    Met a girl online- not in person yet. We’ve chatted via messenger. She’s 26- 14 years younger than me. She friended me on facebook. When I took a look at her friends I notice the vast majority are older white men -late 40’s early 50’s. Ok, I think to myself, this is a little weird.

    When we chat she is aggressively sexual. Loves the dirty talk. She says she feels its a woman place to be a whore for her man. She says women should be giving anal to their men, and supporting them on their quest to build harems. She makes it clear she feels women are subservient to men. She wants to take a trip with me to Cambodia, where her grandparents live, for her next two week vacation.

    My last gf was seven years younger than me, an age differential I’m comfortable with. 14 years is another matter entirely. Sounds to me like she wants a father figure. This is new turf for me. Is there such a thing as Daddy game? Anyone? Or is this beyond game and now into more like a three-ring circus freak show?

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  144. @ Sniper

    “But constantly obsessing about whether or not a potential gf will be loyal = “I’ve been fucked over in the past and I need therapy but instead I will look to arbitrary tell-tale signs of a woman’s whoreishness” = BETA”

    Well, yes. But the thing is—-NOBODY EVER SAID OTHERWISE. You raised this to counter a point that no one was actually making, to the exclusion of tackling the actual argument being offered.

    Now THAT’S beta. And intellectually dishonest.

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  145. on July 28, 2010 at 3:03 pm greatbooksformen

    “Sniper

    Also, I never said that loyalty is a bad thing. No one likes or deserves to be cheated on. But constantly obsessing about whether or not a potential gf will be loyal = “I’ve been fucked over in the past and I need therapy but instead I will look to arbitrary tell-tale signs of a woman’s whoreishness” = BETA. If you love her, you trust her.””

    lozlzozzozozozozlzl.

    fellas you heard itfromher.

    loyalty = beta

    this is EXACTALY how berankified chix are rprogammed to think these days.

    this is why the neocons repeat the lies of secrteive tapers of butthex without the girths contehnt catsing them as butthexula eroes while ignoringthe true heroes dying on foreign shoes in foreign wars.

    loyaly = bet accding to bernakified womenz which meas they re good only 4 pumping and duimping. and if you butthex them and tape itwithot their cionthetnt priscilla painton will wire you hundreds of thousands bernake dllarz and charlotte allen will dutifully print your lies about your height inthe weekly standardth.

    this is the enw bernanke new world order lzozlzllzzlz

    Snipe is exihibit A.

    hey sniper i was wondeirng f i could get you r real name to interview yu in my upcoming book as an example of a deosuled womenz.

    how many cockas have you ahd in your assorted orifces?

    thanks for volunteering 2 be in my book! you rock!!!

    without you a tangible living xmple of bernakified chix sometimes it’s tough for people to beleiebv eme and my supereme wisdoms lzozlzl

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  146. on July 28, 2010 at 3:04 pm greatbooksformen

    ths song goes out 2 SNiper as it describes the kind of beta guy who would actually date sniper lzozozozzolzoozozlzzl

    AND THREE COCK RULE:

    ^^^^ to the 24 for or so tardbetadouches who voted my “one cock rule” rap down

    lozlzlzlzlozzllzlzlzlz

    what do ya want?

    a two cock rule rap?

    or three cock rule?

    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i’m a beta herb my own cock won’t do
    i need a chick to cuckold me
    i need a chick on me to pee
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i love being the greater fool
    one cock in her mouth, one in her anus,
    i keep mine in my pants,
    and pay her bills and rent and fare for da bus.
    so she can club and grind, on denim cocks dance.
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i treat my lady like a nice guy,
    give her chivarly while with 2 others she doth lie,
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    while your cock doth touch her stool,
    i play videogames @ home in my single mom’s basement,
    as teh fed fianance feminsits studies @ school,
    teaching her to love and bail out the butthexers,
    to persucte me 4 letting her live 4 free,
    while she tickles drummer/druggie cock until it goes
    splooge splooge splooge! tee hee tee hee!
    three cock rule, three cock rule,
    i’m the beta herb, teh cuckholded fool,
    i respect her, keep my cock in my pants,
    fund her with other cocks to dance.

    lozlzlzlzl

    or would u betaherbs prefer a five cock rule rap! omg i bet someofya would like dat! lzozl

    lzozozozo

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  147. Caroline,

    It’s always a little strange to have the knowledge that anyone would try to coerce you do something, but a woman should in control of herself. If a man can Game a woman to do something, she was probably already willing to do it — he was just the guy who went after it. Perhaps it’s similar to how women coerce men to marriage.

    Not having sex with random men should be important for far more substantial reasons than manipulating men. And, if it is, we can rest assured we will never be Gamed into doing something we didn’t want to do.

    The risks: an otherwise highly attractive male may move on to another woman, which can certainly be a little painful and disappointing, and a few men will really see it as a challenge and try to make progress, intermittent his time with the willing participants.

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  148. http://glo.msn.com/relationships/dating-down-1533626.story?GT1=49006

    Maxim #59: The most successful marriages are those with a balance of power that slightly favors the husband’s status over the wife’s looks.

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  149. Sniper–

    “I’ve been told (by men) that being “smart, pretty, funny and interesting,” is what made them like me and I think it’s those four things together that make anyone “worth fighting for”. I don’t think it matters how many people a woman has slept with so long as her personality is fascinating to the man.”

    It doesn’t matter much in whether an alpha or alphaish guy will want to bang you, or even have a short fling with you.

    It sure as hell does matter in whether he’ll want to emotionally commit to you, fall in love with you, and have a real LTR or marry you.

    Especially it will if he is deprogrammed even a little from the feminist propaganda. I mean it will matter in his gut but many guys these days do try to consciously override that, thinking it really shouldn’t matter. What horseshiite.

    Girls who’ve ridden the cock carousel with lots and lots of alpha cocks (and higher beta ones thrown in too w/girls that look like you in most cases) are far less likely to fall into deep adoring love with a man who’s prepared to be in love too, and are far more likely to cheat, and cheat a lot.

    Sure there are exceptions. Not what the smart money gets placed on however, the possibility that she’s be one of those exceptions.

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  150. @Doug1

    You just assume/create your own world and girls fit themselves into it, wanting to meet your high expectations.

    When you do this, they often work to impress you.

    btw, Korean girls in Korea seem to have a particularly calculating view of avoiding a slut reputation, or keeping face in that way. In other words they’re not thinking in terms of whether “god will think they’ve become slutty” or whether they ARE becoming slutty, but only in terms of nothing getting around their usual circles that they’ve behaved slutty.

    In Korea, it’s just more raw and more openly about face. White girls here also worry about being seen as sluts, but can get away with it; in Korea, it’s almost all of your social status as a woman. You have to be proper. The slutty ones who are obviously slutty are dirt-easy to get into bed and have no illusions about themselves: They’ve voluntarily gone out the Slut door, and if they like you, will indicate by their behavior that you’re to bed them asap. There are lots of these in clubs, in the dancing world, among disillusioned housewives (who often maintain an appearance publicly but with their friends talk about getting laid).

    Once you get used to the Korean world-view, you can navigate it (as a foreigner) pretty easily.

    But the best way to combat the ASD of younger women in Korea: Do it away from their peer group. If there’s no-one to judge them (and this can be even a Halmoni or Ajuma (older women) working as a love hotel clerk), then they’ll ride you like a wild animal – in private, when no-one can possibly know.

    If they have their own place, and you can demonstrate that you’re very discreet, and if you’re not appropriate for a relationship (being a foreigner), then you have a regular fuck-buddy whenever you want. Do this once, and you might even get passed around.

    Passed around: I had a regular FWB (mostly benefits, honestly, not much else), then slept with a woman she used to work with that was mutually introduced, then another who the three women casually knew; They all knew I’d already slept with the others. It didn’t stop them. I was a toy. A dangerous bad-boy foreigners. One had a BF, a nice charming well-to-do Korean guy, and it came out about a month after I met her. She was wary about being judged, and when I indicated I didn’t feel badly about her because of it, she told me: They hadn’t slept together yet.

    So while I was fucking her senseless, and occasionally two other women she knew, she was being all Loyal and Nice to her “BF” who she planned to marry.

    For guys who think the extremely nicey-nice face that Korean girls put on is for real, these three Big City Seoul girls all seemed as pure as the driven snow. Nobody would know their story. So much for the “Nice” Asian girl.

    Being in Korea was a naked education in how women think when they feel uninhibited.

    A lot of guys think Asian girls are more immune to game. I go the other route: I think they’re easier to game, and once gamed, easier to keep around for nothing but sex. Also easier to keep in relationships, too. The culture of Face and social repression is just much, much easier to manipulate than western women’s culture.

    I recently saw your bit elsewhere about the Korean girl who did fall madly in love with you, to your eventual guilt upon leaving. But do you think Korean girls generally fall deeply in love as much, or perhaps more, than Caucasian American girls?

    As a rule, I had lots of great sex with Korea girls. They’re enthusiastic and, in bed, unashamed and exciting (unlike many Chinese girls, who have deep shame-shyness issues). They’re pragmatic in the extreme, and when it comes to some guy they like fucking, they’re freewheeling.

    But love?

    I never fell in love with any, maybe two at most; but one I did, massively and deeply. It tore me apart.

    She was the only one I can say actually fell in love with me.

    I’d say: They fall in love less. But when they do, it’s total.

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  151. @SD,

    Thanks for your reply. I do think being abusive is wrong and unjustifiable. But I can still be mean, yes? Pretty lies perishing and all that jazz…

    @GBFM,

    Wait, are you saying alpha males don’t play golf during the day and lay out on the beach? Are you saying alpha males are working stiffs? Please explain.

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  152. Sniper–

    It’s just about making it really obvious that she has a life of her own that doesn’t revolve around pleasing men. You know, hobbies and interests, like healthy people should have.

    Contra your feminist indoctrination, I like girls who have a deep need/desire to please me.

    That’s not to say I don’t want them to also do their own thing, and share it with me. But yeah I’d rather she molded her life into mine a good bit. That’s what they’ve always done too. Smart, very capable, successful girls.

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  153. Tim

    Your comments are your own business, everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is not my blog, and other commenters are free to post what they want. If I feel that there’s some point in replying to a comment which references me, I will do so. If the comments upset me, well, I have made the choice to log in, and I can also make the choice to log out.

    I do worry, however, that the interaction between us could be annoying for other commenters, who probably want to get on with discussing more interesting things than either of us. I think you’ve made all the points you want to make about me now, and they’ve been duly noted. If there are any more criticisms you would like to make maybe you could make them in a single email and get them out of your system all at once. I promise not to respond to the email unless absolutely necessary.

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  154. Sorry, Tim, “email” above should have read “comment”, my fault.

    I suspect you would prefer your criticisms to be a public rather than a private shaming anyway, there’s not much fun in putting people in the stocks & throwing things at them if there is no one around to watch.

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  155. on July 28, 2010 at 3:27 pm greatbooksformen

    “Tim

    @SD,

    Thanks for your reply. I do think being abusive is wrong and unjustifiable. But I can still be mean, yes? Pretty lies perishing and all that jazz…

    @GBFM,

    Wait, are you saying alpha males don’t play golf during the day and lay out on the beach? Are you saying alpha males are working stiffs? Please explain.

    tim fucktard

    don’t fucking twist my words.

    you listed as an aboslute criterion of alphness that one must drink boat drinks and take it up the butt on the beach and engage in secretive tapings of butthex without the girlths contehnet like a good neocon.

    then, like a fucktard, you said that vbecause the men posting on this board are not out on the beach sipping boat drinks and taking it up the butt and taping secrteievtapings o butthex without teh girtths ocntehnt for teh neocon publishing houses that they are not betas.

    tim.

    fucktwat.

    all i’m saying is that you and sniper and the neocns have been bernakified and thus associate manly traits such as honor love loyalty andtruth and reason with betahoodm, while associating butthex and fiat dollars and lies and hype and the destruction of marriage and lots cocka 24/7 in all sniper’s orifices as virtuous.

    tim.

    posta pitcure of yourself.

    yu are a short neocon who probably lies about thei rheght like the secrteiev tapers of asscocking sessions the weekly standadth prootes and repeats the lies of lzozllzozozooz

    let’s see it.

    lzozozoz

    you know it’s true!

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  156. I can see this working, but it really has to be calibrated right and congruent with an alpha frame.

    I could definitely see this completely failing for a newb….

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  157. @SD
    “That column must have been tongue-in-cheek.”

    i agree that article couldn’t have been sincere. it was cheesy, but beta? he wasn’t congratulating her for fucking another guy. he was congratulating her for marrying another guy — and telling the bridegroom in print: “I fucked her when she was younger hotter tighter.”

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  158. “That’s not to say I don’t want them to also do their own thing, and share it with me. But yeah I’d rather she molded her life into mine a good bit. That’s what they’ve always done too. Smart, very capable, successful girls.”

    Silly Doug1! Don’t you know that if a girl has a deep desire to please her man and molds some of her life into his, she’s by definition not smart or capable? And you’re an “insecure sap” for even voicing this!

    To the re-education camps with you!

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  159. on July 28, 2010 at 3:33 pm greatbooksformen

    it’s hard to say who ahs had more cox in their butts tim or sniper butt i bet more of snipers asscocking sesions were secretely taped lzozlzozo

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  160. on July 28, 2010 at 3:33 pm Death vajra

    If you’re walking around with a woman in a mall etc, other women will percieve you to be of high value and will seek eye contact. Let your date notice a few younger girls do this and then say…

    ‘let’s go sit someplace quiet for a sec, I’m not in the mood
    for this right now’

    her mind will start to race on many levels. She will believe you have been preselected by many younger (more attractive) girls in the past. She will undoubtedly percieve you to be of much higher value than herself.

    Lead her to a bench, or better yet, under a shaded tree. Then say…

    ‘jeez, I wish the world would slow down, just a little bit’

    she will believe you are accustomed to fast, young girls. Say…

    ‘don’t get me wrong, I’m not a prude, I like a good time just like every normal person but…’

    take her hand, look her in the eye and move in for deep kiss.

    Sounds illogical I know, but all the switches are present. She feels hot, she doesn’t know why and none of it was her fault.

    Enjoy. Next.

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  161. on July 28, 2010 at 3:33 pm Happily ever after

    If alcohol is involved in any way, shape or form I would not engage in sex. Especially if the woman is the type you actually want to see more than once or even marry. Women are affected by alcohol much more than men and it is a definite disadvantage for a woman to make a sober decision about sex with a man. Women who drink act slutty even when they are not.

    I know some men are really scumbags and don’t care if a woman is drunk, but, there are good men who won’t take advantage of that situation and feel that coital relations with someone who is practically a drunken rag-doll is pretty low and disgusting.

    The night I met my husband, I was ten sheets to the wind at my friend’s bachelorette party and he was one of the guys who poured our drinks at the bar. He drove me home because I was plastered and he could have easily taken advantage of me, but, instead he carried me into my mom’s house, put me into my bed, kissed me for a while and then left his phone number and name on my bedside table.

    I would have never called him back if he would have sex with me in that condition.

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  162. This post has turned into oral diarhea…

    Game is a numbers game; 10-15% hit rate for the best

    Hit on three girls @10% response equivalent = a smile

    Hit on 30 girls at 10% you’ll get laid three times…

    Doesnt matter if you do this over 3hrs, 3days, 3months or 3yrs….same results.

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  163. on July 28, 2010 at 3:44 pm greatbooksformen

    hey Sniper,

    who taught you that loyalty in men is a vice?
    who taught you that honor in men is a vice?

    was it ben bernake or tucker max? or charlottee allen or priscilla painton?

    who? who? who?

    and why did they teach you thusly?

    why?

    aren’t u ever curious? i mean a gilr ought wonder now and then why so many coackas?

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  164. “I know some men are really scumbags and don’t care if a woman is drunk, but, there are good men who won’t take advantage of that situation and feel that coital relations with someone who is practically a drunken rag-doll is pretty low and disgusting.”

    troll

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  165. Do Alphas engage in drunken sex more than Betas?

    Betas are 9 times out of ten, the decent guys.

    Alphas are usually the ones who are so drunk they can’t even remember their last sober sexual encounter.

    That is why Betas are marriage material and Alphas are only f-ck buddies at best and a–holes at worst.

    A Beta with SOME alpha traits is ideal.

    An Alpha with some Beta traits is gay.

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  166. @ GBFM

    “who taught you that loyalty in men is a vice?
    who taught you that honor in men is a vice?”

    It isn’t that “loyalty in men is a vice”. It’s that only “insecure saps” look for that in their women. Men are, of course, expected to be loyal to their women. Or something.

    If anyone cares, Sniper just showed her true colors today.

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  167. one cock rule one cock rule
    i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
    over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
    letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
    then you blame the betas in school
    and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool

    best part of the old rap.

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  168. @sniper

    “Looks are a part of attraction, but if they were that important, there are loads of available pretty girls who will assuage male ego to go to.”

    please send them over.

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  169. on July 28, 2010 at 3:58 pm Miley_Cyrax

    @ sniper

    You’re making stuff up in a desperate attempt for a clever retort, grasping at straws in building a strawman. I said no such thing.

    @ happily

    10 drinks might be crossing the line into unconsensual, but a handful of drinks never hurts anyone. Provides the girl plausible deniability to excuse herself from the culpability of being a slut and allows her to avoid confronting the whorish element in her core that is present in every female in varying degrees.

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  170. @ Miley Cyrax

    “You’re making stuff up in a desperate attempt for a clever retort, grasping at straws in building a strawman. I said no such thing.”

    You’ll find that strawmanship is this bitch’s stock-and-trade.

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  171. No, I’m not trying to shame anyone, I just haven’t developed a way to make my sarcasm and contempt seem playful.

    @GBFM,

    all i’m saying is that you and sniper and the neocns have been bernakified and thus associate manly traits such as honor love loyalty andtruth and reason with betahoodm, while associating butthex and fiat dollars and lies and hype and the destruction of marriage and lots cocka 24/7 in all sniper’s orifices as virtuous.

    Do you think I’m happy that marriage and monogamy is a thing of the past? Is that your impression of me? I have to play the card that’s dealt me; it’s not like I have a choice. There is no such thing as a slut anymore. Young Sniper is all of what…19, 20 yrs old? She’s already on the cock carousel and that’s the reality of the situation. There’s nothing I can do about it. I have no qualms admitting I’m a beta, or that I think it a wise man indeed who steers clear of marriage and sets his sight on retirement surrounded by a bevy of young hookers and a glass of scotch, two rocks.

    I’m sorry but I don’t think a man should seriously consider marriage to a woman who has been pounded and drilled six ways from sunday.

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  172. on July 28, 2010 at 4:06 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzozozo

    i am writing a new rap for sniper.

    it is called 137 cock rule.

    lzozlzozlzlzzozzoz

    it goes garge garge garle garle

    gargel gargle gargles gealger

    gargle gargle

    as she swims her way up though the splooge from 137 cockas zozzozlzoozzlozozoz

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  173. Miley_Cyrax writes:

    10 drinks might be crossing the line into unconsensual, but a handful of drinks never hurts anyone. Provides the girl plausible deniability to excuse herself from the culpability of being a slut and allows her to avoid confronting the whorish element in her core that is present in every female in varying degrees.

    Ask yourself this:

    Are you really ‘gaming’ someone who is intoxicated on something other than you?

    If you can ‘wow’ a girl who is sober, that is far more impressive than ‘gaming’ the lightweight girl who can’t handle her liquor which might make her ‘quicker’.

    Just sayin’

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  174. @ Doug1

    Scrubbing out your briefs’ skid marks comes after the relationship has been established, not before. My tips were for getting men to pursue the woman and present their offers as she takes the highest bidder(s). And even then, a healthy girlfriend would still have her own life, interests, and hobbies outside of you. This doesn’t mean she doesn’t love you. It means she’s a stable-minded human who realizes she wasn’t put on earth to wax your loafers.

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  175. on July 28, 2010 at 4:09 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzozlzo tim thinks boat drinks and buthex makes a man more manly and sniper thinks more manyly men like dtaing raging whores dripping with semen from lotsa cockas .

    both are case studies of extreme bernankification and should be placed in museuams as exhibit a and xibit b lzozlzozozozzo

    this is manhood and womanhood defined by the fed. lzozzlzo but then again, they also deifne welath in fiat debt based dollars so whuddayah expect?

    BUTTHEX!!!!!!!!!

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  176. sdaedalus–

    btw I answered your Q’s to me on the prior thread about whether female hypergamy had advanced civilization in the past and also about primitive warfare; it was held in moderation from yesterday afternoon until sometime today.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/07/27/proof-of-the-modern-american-harem/#comment-190980

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  177. Sniper, let me know where all the stable-minded humans are hanging out. I havent met any

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  178. @Tim
    No, I’m not trying to shame anyone, I just haven’t developed a way to make my sarcasm and contempt seem playful.

    I may be imagining this in my fervent desire to capture, on the interwebz, the male attention denied me in real life, but are you hinting that I hide sarcasm & contempt behind a playful mask?

    I don’t feel contempt for anyone commenting or blogging in the sphere, in many cases I feel considerable respect, sometimes, as with you, I might feel a bit perplexed, that is all.

    I aim for irony rather than sarcasm, and usually only with people who are attacking me, or people whom I feel can take it in the spirit in which it is given, and might even enjoy a bit of banter when in good form, such as the host of this blog.

    Genuinely, I can’t understand why you have such a problem with me specifically. I can understand you mightn’t like women generally, but that’s not the impression I get from your comments on other blogs.

    Do you want to share exactly what about me annoys you? I can’t guarantee I’ll change, but I would be interested to know. You never know, it might actually be helpful to me.

    I just think it would be better to get this out of the way now, rather than allow this to continue onto another blog thread and mess it up too.

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  179. @Aunti P.
    If you can ‘wow’ a girl who is sober, that is far more impressive than ‘gaming’ the lightweight girl who can’t handle her liquor which might make her ‘quicker’.

    Just sayin’

    Interesting. What you are saying is sober sluts are better than drunk sluts. This makes sense, and I think the guys here should take it under consideration.

    Or does shaming language only apply to men? I sometimes mix this up and shame/absolve the wrong parties.

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  180. This is only mho:

    Women were often raped and enslaved by ‘Alpha’ males. So, of course their [alpha] DNA was going to reign ‘supreme’ for a while.

    Once women stopped being enslaved and raped by Alphas and gained personal rights over their OWN BODIES they started choosing Betas for life partners.

    Women didn’t ‘choose’ SQUAT when they were ‘conquered’, ‘raped’ and ‘enslaved’, you buffoons.

    Grow the eff up.

    Women LOVE Betas and you idiots trying to emulate ASSHOLES is bad voojoo.

    A Beta who wants to be strong and sexy is GREAT.

    A Beta who just wants to be a cum spurting asshole is a douche to the tenth power.

    Women who just USE men are scum too for that matter.

    Good grief.

    Thrusting, red-butted baboon butts indeed.

    *sigh*

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  181. @ Sniper, Doug1

    “It means she’s a stable-minded human who realizes she wasn’t put on earth to wax your loafers.”

    Can anybody point me to where anything like this was actually insinuated during the course of this conversation?

    This is a standard feminist debating technique: read argument, make up shit, knock down made-up shit, hope no one notices or cares you didn’t address the original point.

    Pathetic.

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  182. on July 28, 2010 at 4:23 pm msexceptiontotherule

    “…“I know some men are really scumbags and don’t care if a woman is drunk, but, there are good men who won’t take advantage of that situation and feel that coital relations with someone who is practically a drunken rag-doll is pretty low and disgusting.”

    troll….”

    So people should behave in a manner that is in direct opposition to their overall nature just because some other people hold a different opinion? Sure, it is kind of sleazy to take advantage of the liquor-loosened morals/chastity knees in some chick at a bar and then leave like a thief in the night without ever looking back. But, as much as I’d like to think that this view of mine is widely held by others, I realize that it’s just not so. I also understand that where lines are drawn in the morality sand is entirely up to each individual – who am I to judge, it’s not as if they’re trying to convert me over to the slutty dark side and perpetual drunken escapades in regret. Similarly, I’m not hoping to convert anyone to my side of things – my point is – why bother with the shaming language and all that crap, it’s not like anyone really listens to what they’ve already decided they don’t want to hear.

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  183. [Staring off into the distance]

    “I’m bored with sex.”

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  184. Miley_Cyrax–

    @ happily–10 drinks might be crossing the line into unconsensual, but a handful of drinks never hurts anyone. Provides the girl plausible deniability to excuse herself from the culpability of being a slut and allows her to avoid confronting the whorish element in her core that is present in every female in varying degrees.

    Don’t even partly accept this current radical feminist push to move the line as to what’s non consensual, i.e. RAPE. It’s very dangerous to give in or compromise with them at all.

    She has to say no and make it clear it’s an unambiguous no, unless she’s unconscious or underage (and the later shouldn’t apply if she plausibly lied about her age).

    Tipsy doesn’t cut it. If she can walk (even if imperfectly) and talk it’s not rape. It’s an incredible slippery slope to make “too intoxicated for clear judgment” the rape standard. Rape is a very serious and life destroying charge, even to be charged, not to mention convicted of and sent to prison.

    Let’s retain some slut responsibility here too. She shouldn’t get stupid drunk with guy(s) she’s determined she doesn’t want to sleep with. Certainly not and be alone with them. (Now what’s acting like a perfect gentleman with her if she hadn’t indicated clear interest when less tipsy would probably be a different standard. But not being a perfect gentleman no matter what she does, shouldn’t put a guy in jail. He’d probably be rather tipsy too.

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  185. Sam Spade

    [Staring off into the distance]

    “I’m bored with sex.”

    😆

    FINALLY. Somebody had to say it!

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  186. on July 28, 2010 at 4:31 pm greatbooksformen

    “Sidewinder

    Sniper, let me know where all the stable-minded humans are hanging out. I havent met any”

    some are @ the weekly standadth lzozlzozozo

    most of the rest are taping sceertive tapings of butthex without the girlths conthent in the federal resevre building in dc.

    and the last sane man tim is gettig butthexed onthe beach while drinking boat drinks lzozlzoz

    that wraps up where the sane peoplez are tehse days zzozozoozozozozozoozoz

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  187. greatbooksformen,
    Amen brotha, Amen. One day they will be put in museums.

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  188. I don’t think anyone can cry ‘rape’ who purposely drank themselves into intoxication.

    How many men would love to cry ‘rape’ over some drunken sex with an absolutely FUG troll?

    The POINT is, is the sex even any GOOD with someone who is drunk as a skunk? Do you even WANT to call that person in the morning or see them again after beer-goggle sexy times?

    Women can rape men too. Don’t ask me how I know this but the difference is that they end up with a smile on their face rather than dialing 911.

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  189. I can’t read a female poster’s “opinions” on any matters like this. I feel ill if I do – it’s such a horrible waste of time to read anything most women have to say. It’s almost as bad as reading a benighted white knight. I’m starting to keenly appreciate the fucking huge gulf between what people say – what they claim to believe – and their deep-level, subconscious, hindbrain-driven behaviour.

    Loosely-related:

    I was watching a DVD with a chick recently. She gave me the usual, obligatory blowjob. She kneeled on the ground in front of me (I gave her a cushion for her knees), and slobbed all over my knob.

    She licked my balls lovingly, for about 15 minutes, slurping all over them, then she swallowed my jizz.

    So, all good so far.

    About 20 minutes later we’re having some random conversation, and the topic comes up of guy’s occasionally scratching their balls (like in public). She says “EEWWWWWWW!”

    Ok. You just licked my balls and sucked my cock and swallowed my love protein.

    Ewwww!

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  190. Aunty P.

    Are you really ‘gaming’ someone who is intoxicated on something other than you?

    If you can ‘wow’ a girl who is sober, that is far more impressive than ‘gaming’ the lightweight girl who can’t handle her liquor which might make her ‘quicker’.

    Just sayin’

    Caveat emptor on girls getting tipsy while hanging alone with a guy she doesn’t want to let seduce her. Caveat emptor.

    Only slutty or very ill brought up girls do that, for bleedingly obvious reasons.

    ’twas ever thus. And should remain so. Contra the rad feminists and what they’re pushing to do on college campuses, with their “yes means yes” , guy is guilty if she decides to name him (cause of after the fact slut shaming regret etc.), unless he can impossibly prove otherwise, standard of “rape”.

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  191. @Dragnet

    Can anybody point me to where anything like this was actually insinuated during the course of this conversation?

    I just wasted 30 min gathering a bunch of examples. I was about to hit “submit” when I realized that by “loafers” she meant shoes.

    I hate it when I do that.

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  192. Auntie P.–

    The POINT is, is the sex even any GOOD with someone who is drunk as a skunk? Do you even WANT to call that person in the morning or see them again after beer-goggle sexy times?

    Not if drunk as a skunk no. but there are all kinds of gradations. And different girls act different ways when tipsy. Always less inhibited, but some are sloppy and others get manic.

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  193. Doug1,

    I believe, if a gay man drove you home (because you were passed out and couldn’t drive) and he gave you the high hard one up the no-no hole, I’d call that rape.

    IF, you were still conscience and you were like, “no dude, c’mon, that hurts, no” but you are too drunk to push him off, THAT is rape.

    IF you are sloppy but horny and that gay guy is looking pretty good and he’s rubbing you in all the right places and you are feelin’ the love…THAT is NOT rape.

    Just mho.

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  194. There is a Seinfeld joke in here somewhere about the fact that NOBODY would have sex if it wasn’t for alcohol. LMFAO!

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  195. Auntie P is viewing gay porn

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  196. and may be drinking

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  197. Auntie P.

    I don’t think anyone can cry ‘rape’ who purposely drank themselves into intoxication.

    The word “purposely” is a weasel word and I don’t like it.

    So it’s rape if she “accidentally” got drunk? Or if he kept charming her into having another drink?

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  198. Aunty P.

    IF you are sloppy but horny and that gay guy is looking pretty good and he’s rubbing you in all the right places and you are feelin’ the love…THAT is NOT rape.

    Thanks for that.

    Way to make me toss my cookies.

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  199. Doug 1,

    Some men implement the ol’ “slipping a girl a mickey”.

    THAT is what I meant.

    Women have to guard their drinks for Christ’s sake!

    Men who purposely drug women like that are vile.

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  200. Sidewinder,

    Gay pr0n is hot.

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  201. Doug1

    Thanks for that.

    Way to make me toss my cookies.

    Just trying to enlighten you, Dougie.

    Men rape men too, yaknow. 😉

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  202. @sniper: “If you want a man to go nuts for you, you need to be a challenge worth fighting for. This is age old female wisdom.”

    I actually agree with this somewhat, but you’re almost certainly all screwed up with what this actually means. The emphasis should be on “worth,” not “challenge.” Most modern women are worthless, but attempt to be a “challenge” as they think it implies worth. Usually it just implies they are a pain in the ass.

    While you, personally, may have had some kind of dating success making some nebbish wait 20 dates before finding your wet spot, in the end, you have a nebbish, and you ain’t married.

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  203. @Doug & @ Auntie
    My tuppence and examples:

    *not rape*
    girl goes out on a date with a guy she knows a bit or not very well, has a lot to drink, snogs (sorry Doug, I couldn’t resist), at some stage, he puts the moves on, she says ah yes yes (maybe a couple of soft nos to start but pretty quickly turns to yes). Next morning has buyer’s remorse. Not rape.

    *rape*
    – girl goes out with a male friend who she’s know for years on a platonic basis (and no for other readers they are not all beta orbiters, lots of alphas like having female friends for emotional purposes)
    – girl goes out with a guy she knows very well, e.g. seeing but they have made a decision not to have sex yet
    assuming in these cases she says no (even incoherently but she’s not going *sigh*, yes etc). Rape. Just because she went out drinking on her own with a guy she knows/trusts doesn’t make her a slut.

    And if the girl goes out with a group of friends or a guy and then gets into a taxi and the taxi driver rapes her because she’s drunk or he saw give her deep goodnight kiss to the guy before she gets into the taxi, she’s a slut. Rape.

    This is assuming minicab, if it’s a black taxi, then it’s rape, treason and much much worse. The taxi driver should be hung, drawn and quartered and fed to the fishes.

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  204. on July 28, 2010 at 5:01 pm Cannon's Canon

    makaveli fathered The 7 Cocka Theory!!!

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  205. Lily,

    Let’s also consider someone who is pretty much passed out and is carried off (caveman style) from a bar and taken to a place, raped and even beaten (if the guy is into that) and leaves her for dead on a sidewalk (oh, and let’s punch it up a notch and say he has ‘AIDS’). RAPE

    Or,

    Let’s say a young guy who staggers out of a bar and is passed out in an alley, wakes up half sober to find himself getting gang-raped and robbed. RAPE

    Or,

    A gorgeous looking guy makes the mistake of leaving his drink out in the open and someone slips him a drug that makes him a ‘zombie’ pretty much. The thug men take this guy and do all kinds of anal rape/torture sick sadistic crap to him and FILM it and SELL it and the guy has NO memory of it until he sees his body being mutilated on a clip that is leaked online. RAPE (I actually saw a show about this happening to a man).

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  206. The men who claim evil women ‘chose’ ALPHAS are retarded. When women had very few choices and were controlled by the patriarchal males and often ‘SOLD’ into marriage/bondage/slavery these women weren’t CHOOSING alpha males, they had no CHOICE in that.

    I wish that meme would get spent here. Seriously.

    You guys cherry-pick a few douchey females who go for Alpha jerks and make it out like that is what women want. lol

    WOMEN love you Betas. Don’t be ASSHOLES. We love you being the GOOD GUYS. Yes, some women cheat but SO DO YOU. You claim it PROUDLY here.

    Own up to your half of the equation, guys.

    {Editor: Troll. Ignore it.]

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  207. @Polymath
    Brilliant, thank you so much. I haven’t posted on this thread as I didn’t have anything of consequence to say on the topic (and frankly it was above my head) but have been checking back on the thread with bated breath to see when your post was out of moderation. And thanks to AHE for picking up on this in the first place.

    @Tim
    Please give it a rest. SD is insightful, clever, funny and gracious (I’m still wondering what the male equivalent of that is). She is also someone who accepts when she is wrong & does not make personal attacks on people she disagrees with which are both qualities I respect in people.

    If it is of any consequence (I don’t think it is), reading between the lines (England and Ireland are different culturally but enough for one to be able to do so if I may be so presumptious) SD is most likely a natural pretty 7. No doubt in her youth, she would look like an 8 or 9 if she were all dolled up in a bar setting but would have been unlikely to do so. She probably spent her youth dressing modestly i.e. normally not like a slut and acting chaste (not for a game but that was who she was, and I don’t mean chaste in the traditional form of the word which would be quite unappealing but not in the way the girls some of the blog are used to) and she probably saw the men chasing after the girls who were dressed more provocatively & drinking more. Cue ‘where have all the nice girls gone’ lol.

    These days, the girls in Dublin bars who get the most attention from men are fake tan, fake boobed, fake nailed 4s or 5s, but no doubt some PUA types would be favouring them as 8s or 9s lol. Mystery would no doubt be in heaven.

    (SD sorry I have insulted your countrymen/women again… if it helps counteract I think some of the most beautiful women in the world are those Irish women with dark hair, pale skin and blue eyes. Unfortunately, all the ones I’ve met, not that many, have been nuts but the look is stunning).

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  208. on July 28, 2010 at 5:17 pm greatbooksformen

    lozozozzlzozzlzlzozlzo

    time for another roissy cartoon!!!!

    lzozlzozlzozoz

    this is the great books for menmuseum museum. lozlzoz

    exhibit a:

    1) an alpha named tim drinking a boat drink with a man squiriting sun tan lotion on his anuth lzozlzozlo

    2) a girl named sniper withlotsa cockina sploogin on her as she says “only insecure men want loyal womenz” lzozlzoz

    3) a pr division of siom and shciuster secrtely taping an assocking session of agilr without her conthent lzozlzlzoz

    4) an old lady from the weekly standardth writing about the brve new world and new achetypes of manhood and womanhood

    5) a nice bearded an printing lotsa cash n da back room and throwing it at all of the above

    6) a young alpha– a truly nice guy filled with alor and honor bleeding to death on a foeign shore in a foeign war

    7) a cherubic-faced goldbergian neocon shouting “more war more war! lotsa butthex!!!!!!!! and tape it secrtely!!!”

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  209. Lily–

    Sure Lily, I agree with your distinctions.

    In all the cases you said were rape, the girl made it clear to a reasonable guy that she didn’t want sex with him even after he’d worked his seduction efforts (if he did).

    Or put more simply if not really totally covering the waterfront —

    “a drunk no is still a no”.

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  210. @Auntie P.
    Yes, all most of us really want is good looking enough, good in bed and a team mate in life. And able to provide for us and our children when we are vulnerable (due to preganancy, childbirth and looking after young children).

    I suspect the good in bed counts for a lot more than men realise. That’s part of the reason why some women will overlook all sorts of other behaviour. As alluded to by ‘gina tingles’. Obviously, some women do like assholes but I suspect most women who are with with assholes are putting up with it because of good shagging (sorry Doug, I couldn’t resist in case you dislike that word too :-)).

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  211. Lily–

    This is assuming minicab, if it’s a black taxi, then it’s rape, treason and much much worse. The taxi driver should be hung, drawn and quartered and fed to the fishes.

    hahaha

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  212. This is hilarious.

    I don’t have a clue what any of you look like, more importantly, none of you (except Maurice & Default, who can be depended on not to spill the beans) have a clue what I look like, and here you are all rating me.

    Talk about the blind leading the blind, my god.

    I never went to bars very much, because I was quite frankly working my ass off trying to earn the money, firstly, to get through college, and, secondly, to help my parents out afterwards.

    And yes, I am quite shy round guys I fancy, as are a lot of women I expect, the only difference being that I don’t see any shame in admitting it. I used to be quite shy generally when I was younger, but I am not generally shy now, and as you can all see, I am well able to look after myself, and fight my corner.

    I’m not sure where you all got the impression I’ve been completely neglected by men all my life. I had a bad relationship, which I don’t intend to hijack this blog by going into, I think Doug has summed it up fairly well.

    I would regard myself as reasonably attractive, but I also have enough sense to know that it’s impossible for a woman to be objective on these things so I don’t see any point in discussing it, and does it matter, really? I’m not here to give you advice on what appeals to women. I just like reading the posts, and most of the comments, and find the subject matter discussed interesting.

    I hope this clarifies things.

    Also, Tim doesn’t really upset me at all, I am well able to deal with him, I babysit toddlers quite regularly and they are not that different in a lot of ways.

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  213. Lily–

    Rather like the term shagging. Have appropriated it from you lot myself in fact.

    But “snogging”? Come ON.

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  214. Lily opines:

    I suspect the good in bed counts for a lot more than men realise.

    I’m sorry but…

    LMFAOOOOOOOOO

    NO, just NO.

    Not in MY case any way. My husband is a ‘minute-man’ to the umpteenth power of seconds in the sack. He does NOTHING for me sexually.

    BUT, we have a lot in common with music and creativity. I could go without sex FOREVER and not miss it (well, as long as I have my ‘toys’).

    I like the kissing/snuggling stuff…but, I think sex is effing gross with men. They make a mess.

    Just sayin’

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  215. on July 28, 2010 at 5:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’But love?

    I never fell in love with any, maybe two at most; but one I did, massively and deeply. It tore me apart.

    She was the only one I can say actually fell in love with me.

    I’d say: They fall in love less. But when they do, it’s total.

    ”””””

    awww

    So what the fuck dude. Why didn’t ya keep her?

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  216. on July 28, 2010 at 5:31 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^^^^^ I would regard myself as reasonably attractive, but I also have enough sense to know that it’s impossible for a woman to be objective on these things so I don’t see any point in discussing it, and does it matter, really? I’m not here to give you advice on what appeals to women.

    yah a 3 who gets asscocked by six douchebags generally considers herself a 9 because 3 + 6 = 9. lzolzoozozlz

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  217. Doug1

    “a drunk no is still a no”.

    Exactly right.

    [Editor: Unless the man is also drunk and can’t know if she is consenting.]

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  218. @sdaedalus
    LOL.
    Sorry, if I was presumptious.

    I don’t think it matters what you look like, I was just picking up on some earlier stuff (what Tim said, what Betthi said not related to you and I used the opportunity to make a point, sorry should not have done so).

    I’ve got the impression that you would always have had plenty of male attention but Tim used number ratings and a lot of men here judge based on what women look like in bars. Or how women who go to bars regularly behave and use that to judge all women. For many women, it’s not something they do regularly (and I also spent most of my early twenties working though I did occasionally go to bars) and when they do, it’s not their natural habitat.

    Apologies again if I offended you in any way.
    x

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  219. @Gunslingergregi
    So what the fuck dude. Why didn’t ya keep her?

    The world is big. Right?

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  220. @Auntie
    ROFL. That’s so funny.

    @Doug
    Snog is a great word! Shagging is funny and even funnier is bonking which I haven’t heard in a long time.

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  221. @gunslingergregi,

    At the time, I thought a woman 10 years younger than me was too young for me to consider for a serious permanent relationship.

    My opinions have changed in the interim.

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  222. @Auntie P.
    Should I buy shares in the toy industry?

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  223. Lily

    @Auntie P.
    Should I buy shares in the toy industry?

    Yes! Glass ones especially (very hygienic and always HARD).

    And, don’t forget batteries (gawd forbid the electricity goes out…prison movie flicker time)!

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  224. Sd:

    Also, Tim doesn’t really upset me at all, I am well able to deal with him, I babysit toddlers quite regularly and they are not that different in a lot of ways.

    Oh snap.

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  225. Thanks for the tip, Auntie.
    I’m going to buy some shares in the energetic bunnies I’ve seen on television.
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_ticker_symbol_for_Duracell

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  226. Auntie P, how long have you been married?

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  227. They say shag in the UK right… we really don’t use that in America.

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  228. Lily

    You didn’t offend me, I enjoy reading your comments and I hope you continue to comment on my blog.

    But I think this comments thread and indeed some of the other comments passed to me on this blog shows exactly why a lot of quite nice girls end up boasting and acting like entitled princesses – because if they don’t, they end up being patronised, and why they end up acting like sluts, because if they don’t, they end up being called uptight, prudish & so forth.

    I’ve always resisted the impulse to give in to either temptation, but I can well understand how it happens. Btw the patronisation etc. doesn’t just come from other women, it also comes from men.

    In the case of guys though, if you really do want girls who are modest and reasonably chaste, then you have to give credit to these characteristics rather than assuming that they are a demonstration of lower net value. I do know not all, maybe not even most, of you do this by the way, but I just wanted to mention it.

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  229. @greatbooksformen
    I’ve been ignoring you since you told me to go away, but please could you very kindly refrain from reference to asscocking in regards to the ladies* on this board? (I can tell from your learned comments you are a gentleman who thinks profoundly on fiatism, feminism and cares about society).

    *and I meant ladies, see above comments on graciousness etc, it’s not some overall female solidarity thing.

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  230. Lily, the energizer bunneh is da HOTNESS! If you vacuum seal batteries and put them in a freezer they will last about twice as long.

    On a serious note:

    Investing in batteries is NOT a bad idea. People NEED them for all sorts of things (think of EVERY house with smoke-detectors for instance, or battery powered flashlights or battery powered ‘gadgets and gizmos’).

    Sidewinder politely asks:

    Auntie P, how long have you been married?

    23 years (I’ve been ‘with’ him for 24 if you count the year we ‘dated’ before marriage).

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  231. I think the regulars around here need to get together and have a great big gangbang. Release the tension.

    I’ll take bictopia if you don’t mind. I mean, after I game her first of course. I’m gonna throw ignore game at her. Pay attention to the sexy Spanish lolita Sniper first. Then bam! drop her like a sack of potatoes!

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  232. And since mister Willard Libby was so ‘generous’ to upload some of my personal ‘stuff’…here is the old, haggard, hideous Auntie P.:

    Scary innit?

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  233. I waiting for Dana to come around with a comment relating to women, their utility, and their use of sentences starting with the word “I”.

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  234. @Ay Papito
    Yes, it’s a ‘traditional’ word from the UK.

    These days, people use ‘fuck’ etc, but it’s relatively new. Language is changing. Blow terms are a bit confusing though, 15 years ago, ‘blow’ meant marijuana and to ‘blow someone out’ meant to ‘flake’ on them, I don’t think people use blow terms so much these days. And I think the term for ‘blow dry’ (what the hairdresser does to you with a hairdryer) has another word in the States which sounds sexual here.

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  235. Lily–

    I suspect the good in bed counts for a lot more than men realise. That’s part of the reason why some women will overlook all sorts of other behaviour.

    Oh yeah definitely. Feelingly dominant in bed, sometimes overwhelmingly so.

    But when I read the first part of what I quoted, I at first though you were talking about girls being good in bed.

    Men can feel that too. Sensuality, sexuality, a lust to feistily surrender, to be completely taken.

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  236. on July 28, 2010 at 5:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Gorbachev
    @Gunslingergregi
    So what the fuck dude. Why didn’t ya keep her?

    The world is big. Right?
    ”””””””
    well yea but I have only been in love with a woman who lives me twice. he he he

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  237. These days, the girls in Dublin bars who get the most attention from men are fake tan, fake boobed, fake nailed 4s or 5s.

    Great. So you’re saying rank materialism has taken over the whole world, even a country with an ancient history such as Ireland. That’s really great.

    Also, Tim doesn’t really upset me at all, I am well able to deal with him, I babysit toddlers quite regularly and they are not that different in a lot of ways.

    That doesn’t bother me, seriously. I’m actually delighted that you take it in stride. I think the confusion is crossing paths with so many different people. It’s like a multi-ethnic polyglot cafe in here. Which is kind of interesting.

    So anyway I’m thinking of how to deal with this 26 yr old and I’m thinking I should go over and read the may/december roissy post. I just find it a little odd is all, that we should cross paths while poring over the crimson arts. Funny world we live in.

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  238. the “date rape drug” is an urban legend.

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  239. on July 28, 2010 at 6:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Gorbachev
    @gunslingergregi,

    At the time, I thought a woman 10 years younger than me was too young for me to consider for a serious permanent relationship.

    My opinions have changed in the interim.
    ”””””

    Live and learn I guess.

    ”””””on July 28, 2010 at 5:30 pm Auntie P.
    Lily opines:

    I suspect the good in bed counts for a lot more than men realise.

    I’m sorry but…

    LMFAOOOOOOOOO

    NO, just NO.

    Not in MY case any way. My husband is a ‘minute-man’ to the umpteenth power of seconds in the sack. He does NOTHING for me sexually.

    BUT, we have a lot in common with music and creativity. I could go without sex FOREVER and not miss it (well, as long as I have my ‘toys’).

    I like the kissing/snuggling stuff…but, I think sex is effing gross with men. They make a mess.

    Just sayin’
    ””””””’

    Now imagine a guy who likes sex marrying you as a virgin.

    hahahahahahahahahaha
    Poor bastards don’t know what they got coming down the pike.

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  240. Women often take a ‘tingle’ as a real ‘orgasm’.

    There are women who ‘claim’ they are ‘orgasmic’ who have NO IDEA what an orgasm IS.

    If women had ACTUAL orgasms EACH and EVERY time they had hetero sex with a man they would want to sex as much as men do.

    I masturbate as frequently as men do now that I know how to orgasm.

    THIS is why women give up on sex after marriage. It’s NOT that their libidos are ‘lower’, it’s that they have GIVEN UP. And, a LOT of women are hyper embarrassed about masturbation which is patently STUPID considering women need way more stimulation to ‘get there’.

    If a guy REALLY wants to SEDUCE a woman, use a vibrator and make her comfortable with her own body. Any guy who thinks he can just ‘dickmatize’ a girl with his cock is clueless. Women need clitoral and g-spot stimulation and your cock just doesn’t cut the mustard (God’s tiny joke).

    Just sayin’ [again ad nauseum]

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  241. @sdaedalus
    As usual, you’ve articulated what I wanted to say much better.

    @Auntie
    Thanks for the tip, for some reason, I love ‘frugal tips’, I think my neighbours would think it odd.

    Though I like funny frugal tips too, we used to have this silly magazine called Viz and that always had a section with stupid tips. I had a quick google but couldn’t find it, but did find this which would give you a flavour of what I mean
    http://www.lovemoney.com/news/ways-to-save/seven-seriously-stingy-moneysaving-tips-2353.aspx

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  242. on July 28, 2010 at 6:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Ay Papito
    I think the regulars around here need to get together and have a great big gangbang. Release the tension.

    I’ll take bictopia if you don’t mind. I mean, after I game her first of course. I’m gonna throw ignore game at her. Pay attention to the sexy Spanish lolita Sni’per first. Then bam! drop her like a sack of potatoes!

    ””””””

    before it was pictures now up to gangbang

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  243. Auntie P.,

    Your hair is way too short. Grow it out or something. I can almost see your rear. I also like the Charles Manson family bellbottoms you are sporting.

    I can appreciate that your husband’s sex is gross after 24 years. However, if you can be this honest, when you’re playing with your toys thinking about whoever floats your boat, do you like thinking about hot messy sex? Or is it just basically all over for you?

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  244. AHE

    the “date rape drug” is an urban legend.

    Are you implying “Rohypnol” doesn’t exist, STB?

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  245. Auntie, I think you may actually be agreeing with me! 😉

    @Sidewinder
    I think it’s sometimes to do with length of post.. And characters (like lots of numbers)? Other things too but those things seem to matter.

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  246. on July 28, 2010 at 6:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””If women had ACTUAL orgasms EACH and EVERY time they had hetero sex with a man they would want to sex as much as men do. ”””’

    wtf my woman want to have sex all the fucking time. This isn’t normal?
    he he he

    Why you must know thyself before getting into marriage ltr or know what you are looking for.

    So that you match.

    Prior to popular belief people are not all the same and not everyone is exactly equal

    Mind blowing shit I know.
    People have diferent sex drives and want diferent things out of life.

    So that is why when woman fake liking sex with a guy who likes sex. It is a slight problem.

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  247. If someone taught all the higher betas to be manly & shag properly, they would get the vast majority of the women.

    A minority of women would still go for the bad boy biker but most would go for the higher beta.

    Then the other guys could see that and they would then learn to be a higher beta and shag properly. And the economy would be better. And the world would be a much nicer place.

    But I suppose some men would just look at at say the Mercedes (thinking of a safe higher beta car) and say oh men with Mercedes get all the girls, I’ll steal one. And then some women would have sex with them because they thought they were the same, not robbers. Then these men would say all women are whores who love robbers.

    (yes I’ve been drinking, you can ignore my ramblings).

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  248. Gunslinger, good observation. While its still rare, there are a fair number of girls with lower sex drives. I had an ex-girlfriend admit to me (after the relationship), that she just didn’t like having sex as much as I did. She’s very attractive, and is now close to hitting the wall, and she’s never been able to maintain a LTR. I haven’t asked her, but I bet the big problem in all her relationships has been this issue. I don’t think she’s going to get married. Cats and books for her.

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  249. Lily,
    How does a man shag properly? It just doesn’t seem to me like it would be particularly easy to please a woman in bed.

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  250. on July 28, 2010 at 6:19 pm greatbooksformen

    “Lily

    @greatbooksformen
    I’ve been ignoring you since you told me to go away, but please could you very kindly refrain from reference to asscocking in regards to the ladies* on this board? (I can tell from your learned comments you are a gentleman who thinks profoundly on fiatism, feminism and cares about society).

    *and I meant ladies, see above comments on graciousness etc, it’s not some overall female solidarity thing.”

    LILY!!!

    this is aweomse!!!!!

    glad to have you aboard!!!

    because you think that assocking should not be mentioned in reagrd with the ladies, then that’d be great if you could please write a letter to prisiclla painton of sodom and schuster and charlotte allen of the weekly standadth and ask them to stop fudning financining promotiting publishing and repatingthe pr lies of douchebags who asscock women and tape it secretly without the girlths conthent.

    see lily, i do not asscok nor do i tape it secretely and thus do not get bernake cash and neocon publicicity. i just joke about assckcoking and i talk about it in the conext of it not being a good thing, pointing out how women fund financne hype promote and publish secrteiv tapers of butthex without the grlths conthent.

    i also lament that no women ever seem to speak out against secrteievtapers of assckcoking sessions without teh grilths contehnt, but rathe rowmenz fund finance promote it.

    so lily, so great to have you abard!!!

    finally i have found a woman–a lone heroic woman–ready to spek out against her sisters and get them to stop funancing promoting publishing and fucking asscockers and even worse perhaps secretive tapers of assocking sessions without the girlths ocnthent.

    so lily lilly, please write the letter to charlotte allen and prsicialla painton.

    and i guarantee you that i and all of my growing fanbase will sign it!!!!

    we’re 100% behind you (and not in the asscokcing sort of way!)

    let’s light this candle!

    let’s start the mower!

    let’s fill the pool and go swimmintg!

    let’s do this!

    lets start the engine and put her in gear!

    let’s fire it up and tear down the wall!!

    let’s bake the cake and invite the guests!!

    let’s lube da anuth and set up the secret camera! (just kidding!!!)

    lily–you and i — working together — can put an end to the fiat-funding secretively taped asscocking sessions funded financed published promoted by the neocons.

    so write the letter, post it here, and i will get all my menz to sign it!!

    lily i have been waiting for this day for sooo long–you are the trinity to my neo–the roissy to my greatbooksformen–lzozozolzoozozoz

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  251. “If a guy REALLY wants to SEDUCE a woman, use a vibrator and make her comfortable with her own body. Any guy who thinks he can just ‘dickmatize’ a girl with his cock is clueless. Women need clitoral and g-spot stimulation and your cock just doesn’t cut the mustard (God’s tiny joke).”

    you are one girl with your own experience — and you’ve probably talked with some others about it — by why, as a presumably hetero girl, would you think you know more about what makes a multitude of girls orgasm than what most guys beyond a certain age know?

    the clit location on a cunt makes a big difference in her ability to get off while being fucked, but most girls are capable of getting off while being fucked.

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  252. @Gunslingergregi:

    Women will often tell you things like…

    “You are the best fuck”
    “YOU are my first orgasm”
    “I orgasm EVERY time with you”

    and lots of… Meg Ryan [When Harry met Sally] faux:

    “AHHHHHH AHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHH!”

    Women fake orgasm to seal the deal with men. It’s their way of ensuring the man they choose will stay loyal to her and that her PUSSY is da ‘best’. NO woman wants to readily admit to a man she’s in love with that he doesn’t ‘do it’ for her. Women are BIG on NOT hurting a man’s feelings (especially sexually) IF she loves him.

    Do you think ‘dildos’ have been around since the dawn of humankind because women were ‘satisfied’ sexually?

    Do you men really think that women used as chattel were CHOOSING the scummy men who used/abused them?

    Really? Is THAT what the latest faux ‘pop science’ is teaching you dumbasses?

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  253. “AHE

    the “date rape drug” is an urban legend.

    Are you implying “Rohypnol” doesn’t exist, STB?”

    Rohypnol exists, sure. that it has ever been used to spike a girl’s drink and rape her is yet to be proven.

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  254. @Laura
    Oh it’s not that hard. Well it is but you know what I mean. (again been drinking so I don’t want to incriminate myself, and drinking alone! Player’s not coming in my bed tonight when he gets ‘home’ from his business trip, I don’t trust myself, think I will be ‘asleep’ when he gets back. He’s still here, so much for my dating different guys, I think he’s doing a sort of ‘isolation game’ on me, or maybe ‘puppy game’).

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  255. Lily, let me toot my own horn here. I am the proto-typical higher beta. I’d estimate I’m a 7 on looks, probably an 8 on status. I have a beautiful wife, and I have to say looking back that I’ve been regularly successful with girls in the 6.5-7.5 range (8s on rare occasions including wife). I think being a greater beta is probably the best station in life for a guy looking for a LTR leading to marriage and kids.

    BUT…I can’t even play ball with the 9’s. Not even with my best game. A guy given my looks and status, who lived a more alpha life with more alpha game, could probably land 8’s regularly and occasional 9’s. I’m willing to make the trade-off, because I don’t think there are many 9’s and 10’s out there that will make good wife/mother material, at least for a guy with my status.

    If I were single, I would not try to be straight up alpha, but I would definitely incorporate many more alpha traits to spruce up my otherwise greater beta life and personality.

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  256. AHE

    you are one girl with your own experience — and you’ve probably talked with some others about it — by why, as a presumably hetero girl, would you think you know more about what makes a multitude of girls orgasm than what most guys beyond a certain age know?

    the clit location on a cunt makes a big difference in her ability to get off while being fucked, but most girls are capable of getting off while being fucked.

    I’ve seduced more women than men in my lifetime. I’m bi-sexual innately.

    I bring women to REAL orgasm EVERY time because I KNOW firsthand what an orgasm for a woman IS and looks and feels like. Men often only care about their pathetic spooge spurt no matter how skanky or trashy the hooker they bump FUGlies with.

    Women know women’s bodies better just like men know men’s bodies better. That is why gay men give better blow-jobs. HELLO?

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  257. Lily–

    Lily

    If someone taught all the higher betas to be manly & shag properly, they would get the vast majority of the women.

    A minority of women would still go for the bad boy biker but most would go for the higher beta.

    Most alphas are not bad boy bikers. Instead they’re natural leaders etc. Leaders in a different sense than some position on a corporate hierarchy. Instead the kind of person who would lead a small or medium group in a sudden crisis.

    Roissy sometimes creates the wrong impression on that, to shock playing by the rules cubicle dwellers mostly, I think. He’s right though that bad boy rebel bikers will seem more alpha to more hot girls than a totally good boy corporate minion will.

    Game basically is about teaching higher betas to be more manly and shag properly (though lesser alphas can learn things too, and middle betas have a hope at lesser alpha territory). It’s heavily about unlearning feminism at a gut and well as theoretical level. It’s about learning playful dominance and how to lead girls. It’s about not letting yourself be betaized by a gf or wife.

    Feminism and excessive Anglo style chivalry is what made so many successful guys betas. Smooth macho with girls is the way to go. (Latin levels of corruption etc. aren’t the way to go.)

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  258. @Sidewinder

    Sure. I was trying to keep it as concise as I could. The alpha/beta mix is the best. I have a lot more thoughts on this but I really am very tipsy and concerned at what I may spot. And I think you’ve made the best overall choice. x

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  259. @Lily
    @sdaedalus
    As usual, you’ve articulated what I wanted to say much better.

    But then I don’t have your skill in rating a woman’s present (and past) attractiveness based on the size of her ego, Lily.

    I think I need to see more examples of this technique to get the hang of it, lol, it sounds like fun, and a good way to counteract the depredations of the ageing process, if our ego gets bigger with age, then so does our attractiveness. We will have young nubile men queuing up at 90 odd to insert our catheters and help us with our zimmer frames.

    Only joking btw, just couldn’t resist a friendly bark. You didn’t think you were getting off that easily, did you?

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  260. Okay, ladies.

    Describe a REAL orgasm with a man (no toys) in great detail.

    I await your TRUE response.

    lol

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  261. Sidewinder,
    Are you really missing out on that much in life by not being able to have 9’s and 10’s? Maybe you think it would be better than it really would be.

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  262. Auntie P.–

    I’ve seduced more women than men in my lifetime. I’m bi-sexual innately.

    You sound basically lesbian, actually. But have found a provider husband you get along with real well to work out for you.

    Does he let you one way play with other girls on the side? How about with guys who aren’t one minute men?

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  263. on July 28, 2010 at 6:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””msexceptiontotherule
    I also understand that where lines are drawn in the morality sand is entirely up to each individual – who am I to judge””””””””””””’

    Yea I like that.

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  264. Actually, Dougie,…

    My husband cheated on me last year and I ‘stole’ her from him as punishment. She was smitten with me and my husband lamented, “Yeah. She was totally in love with you”

    THAT is how I got revenge on him. I didn’t ‘cheat’ with another man…I simply seduced the woman he was cheating on ME with. lol

    It really fucked him up good, I must confess. *breathes a soft breath and fingernails and brushes them off on shirt*

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  265. AHE–

    Rohypnol exists, sure. that it has ever been used to spike a girl’s drink and rape her is yet to be proven.

    The frequency of it’s use in the US is most definitely a feminist lie.

    There are tons of feminist lies. Most of what feminists say are lies, or so grossly misleading as to amount to the same thing. Such as rad feminist’s date rape statistics.

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  266. @Doug
    I love natural alphas best, but possibly what some on here would consider lesser alphas, but I think you know enough about England to know the type of man I mean. They are a certain type of man though some are naturally good with women and some aren’t.

    I do admit that I like a bad boy, but not in the definition of some on here (e.g. to me the Player is a bad boy but he would most likely not be to a lot of other people).

    “Game basically is about teaching higher betas to be more manly and shag properly (though lesser alphas can learn things too, and middle betas have a hope at lesser alpha territory)”
    I truly wish this were truly the case.
    If it were, the world would indeed be a nicer place.

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  267. Lily,
    What do you think of John Terry? Is he an alpha?

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  268. @sdaedalus
    LOL, it was nothing to do with your ego, my lovely. I read between the lines on people. It’s something that I’m told is a skill of mine, business often ask me to business meetings as I supposedly pick things up about people.

    Though I don’t tend to do it over the internet, or if I (think I) do then I don’t articulate it usually. And it was presumptious of me to do so.

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  269. Lily, I cannot STAND alphas. Maybe that’s because I’m an ALPHA female [?]. I’ve attracted ALPHAS all of my life and I HATED all of them enormously. I married a Beta who is not much better [abusive/drunken/pathetic asshole].

    [Editor: Stop trolling. An asshole is rarely a beta. Most assholes do well with women because women like them.]

    I’m ‘dating’ a gorgeous guy right now because I’m fed up with the asshole I’m married to who NEVER deserved me.

    [A “gorgeous” guy is alpha, if his looks are in the top 10%. Looks are an alpha trait.]

    And, yes, this ‘other’ guy is a total Beta too.

    Told ya’ll I love da Beta boyz!

    [I have just handily disproved your contention.]

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  270. @Laura
    No, very few footballers are, at least English ones.

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  271. Sorry Auntie P

    Although by coincidence I’ve written a description of the female orgasm quite recently which satisfies (sorry) the criteria outlined by you above, I’ve promised a commenter here first rights on it in return for his description of the male orgasm. As soon as he comes (sorry) up with the goods in this regard, I’ll let you know.

    But obviously, you being so multi-orgasmic, why don’t you describe it for us yourself? With capitals if necessary.

    PS: why do you assume most women don’t like sex with men?

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  272. Dougie wuggy,

    It’s not a ‘feminist’ lie that men slip drugs in women’s drinks. It’s just under-reported. Much like rape.

    I was raped by a married acquaintance at age 17 (and a virgin), and I NEVER turned him in because I knew he had a wife and kids.

    My sister was gang-raped by some college boys and she NEVER turned them in.

    You repugnant men who think rape is ‘over-hyped’ make me fucking puke.

    Most of us women don’t even report it.

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

    And, men almost NEVER report rape out of SHAME and humiliation.

    Again.

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA

    [Editor: There’s nothing worse than a rape troll. Keep at it and I’ll ban you. You’re ruining the comments with your vapidness.]

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  273. Sidewinder–

    For LTR’s (which are the only circumstances in which truly good girls will have sex – though most supposedly good girls have had some “slips”) most girls really evaluate a guy on two axes.

    One is the gina tingle, alpha beta omega one that Roissy uses.

    The other is the mate/dad axis. That is how loyal, faithful, congenial to be with, reliable, good provider is he.

    Some thing work well on both axis. Status is important on both (though small group kind of status short of celebrity is more imporant in gina tingle). Being emotionally fun to be with works on both, i.e. adventurous, curious, etc.

    Money and overall society status are a lot more important on the mate/dad continuum. Edgie dominance and emotional push pull is more important on the alpha continuum.

    The thing is slut girls and semi sluts particularly when they’re young and securely well enough off by some combo of parents and their own job, tend to chose as high up on the alpha continuum these days as they can getand pay a lot less attention to the mate one, because being in a LTR isn’t crucial to their mission sexy fun. Edgie sexy fun guy over great to be with all the time guy. Though the ideal is that he’s both of course, for almost all girls.

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  274. “I bring women to REAL orgasm EVERY time because I KNOW firsthand what an orgasm for a woman IS and looks and feels like. Men often only care about their pathetic spooge spurt no matter how skanky or trashy the hooker they bump FUGlies with.”

    you wouldn’t happen to be a misandrist, would you?

    so a man with experience can’t recognize when a woman has a powerful orgasm — why? because he’s never seen one? don’t you think it’s unlikely a man with plenty of experience has NEVER seen a woman have a real orgasm? and if he has, then doesn’t he have something to compare it to? or are you arguing that a man can never tell if a woman has had a powerful orgasm or not no matter how much sex he has had?

    and do you not consider that when women are comfortable they are often happy to tell a guy what gets them off the most? or do they usually lie when they say what gets them off the most?

    i’m not suggesting that women don’t fake without guys realizing it, but what you are arguing is the opposite extreme: that guys are always clueless, and that in their cluelessness they ignorantly believe that there are plenty of women who get off hard to a hard pounding with the ol cocka.

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  275. @Auntie
    I always wish I knew what an alpha female was. Maybe if I have to wonder, I’m not? lol.

    These terms are so confusing because they mean so many different things to different people. e.g. before I started reading on here I thought a beta husband was like a house husband.

    There was a funny article in the Sunday Times a few years ago and an example was:
    Things need doing around the house
    beta female:
    nags her husband at inappropriate times to fix them
    alpha female:
    writes a list, books a handyman and gets it done. has dinner with her husband followed by hot sex.

    On those lines, I’m more alpha than beta, but I’m not some ballbusting feminist.

    For some reason none of the natural alpha males I know are good at fixing things. Though that would be nice. Say on job alone, a skilled wood craftsmen who fixes things is alpha just as much as a captain of industry or equerry to the prince of wales.

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  276. on July 28, 2010 at 6:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Auntie P.
    Do you think ‘dildos’ have been around since the dawn of humankind because women were ‘satisfied’ sexually?””””

    lol dildos are around for when the men went to war and betas weren’t good enough he he he

    Then we alphas had to invent the phone so along with the dildo our woman could enjoy our voices from far off lands and tingling the vag at the proper pitch.

    ””””””’auntie p.
    Women fake orgasm to seal the deal with men. It’s their way of ensuring the man they choose will stay loyal to her and that her PUSSY is da ‘best’. NO woman wants to readily admit to a man she’s in love with that he doesn’t ‘do it’ for her. Women are BIG on NOT hurting a man’s feelings (especially sexually) IF she loves him.”””””

    Yea but they can’t fake the old sphinchter convulsion while I secretly place a finger in her buthex and test for the truth while fucking.
    I quest for truth and knowledge. Nor can they fake the excessive drool not the vag inducing flow of sweet lubrication. But then when they dream about you in there sleep it is on.

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  277. Aunty–

    It’s not a ‘feminist’ lie that men slip drugs in women’s drinks. It’s just under-reported.

    Say you lesbo femdom bitch married to a one minute husband. (That you haven’t cared about seeing improve on that, evidently, since male semen is “so icky”.

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  278. on July 28, 2010 at 6:57 pm Smashing_Retards

    Sniper says:

    Also, I never said that loyalty is a bad thing. No one likes or deserves to be cheated on. But constantly obsessing about whether or not a potential gf will be loyal = “I’ve been fucked over in the past and I need therapy but instead I will look to arbitrary tell-tale signs of a woman’s whoreishness” = BETA. If you love her, you trust her.

    What is your major malfunction?

    Let’s make this simple, so even you can get it.

    Mike has a war buddy, John. Actually, they’ve been friends since high school. John saved Mike’s life. Literally. John is a horn-dog and hits on anything that moves. He is also a super-fighter alpha. He is VERY successful with the ladies. Mike makes sure to keep his wife, Jane, away from John. He does this because he doesn’t trust John.

    Mike still loves John, considers him his best friend, and would do almost anything for him.

    Mike keeps Jane away from John.

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  279. on July 28, 2010 at 6:58 pm Sally Cinnamon

    Auntie P you don’t speak for me.
    I fucking love sex with my husband.
    It is much better after two decades than it was when I was 15.
    It is so good and he is so good that I get the tingle simply from him walking towards me.

    It sounds to me like you have screwed up your head with all your porn and toys and fantasising.
    Stretched your elastic band beyond the point of recovery.
    Why are you even with your husband if you get more pleasure from exerting power over him than you do from having sex with him?

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  280. @Lily
    @sdaedalus
    LOL, it was nothing to do with your ego, my lovely. I read between the lines on people. It’s something that I’m told is a skill of mine, business often ask me to business meetings as I supposedly pick things up about people.

    Though I don’t tend to do it over the internet, or if I (think I) do then I don’t articulate it usually. And it was presumptious of me to do so.

    I’m not quite sure how being able to psychically rate someone on the 1-10 attractiveness scale benefits one in business (unless you’re in the modelling, prostitution or acting business, and even then it might be wise to actually get a look at the girls first), but we’ll say no more about it.

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  281. sdaedalus–

    PS: why do you assume most women don’t like sex with men?

    Because she’s a married feminazi lesbian.

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  282. Nope, ed,

    He’s a gorgeous BETA. Want his pictures for me to prove it lol

    [Editor: Not too bright, are ya? I’ll spell it out for you again. Good looks are a male alpha trait. One of many possible male alpha traits. If you date him for his looks then you are dating him because you are attracted to the alpha in him.]

    sdaedalus,

    I didn’t get my rocks off today, so, I’m flying blind on my ‘perfect’ description of female orgasm but, here goes:

    My nipples are like eraser tips…
    I’m INTENT on getting off…I thrust my dildo inside myself and use my clit toy to stimulate my clitoris… My heart races like crazy…my pulse quickens…all of the blood rushes to my clit and I know I’m not ‘there’ yet…it feels so good but, I want to get over that ‘mountain’…I fuck myself harder and faster and the ticklish feeling of a ‘climax’ quickens as I realize I’m finally going to cum…the throbbing release is incredibly satisfactory…and, I do it a few more times to wear it out and throb some more. It’s addictive and I don’t need/require a ‘man’ at all for that.

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  283. Butler was an idiot, strategically. While he was busy moralizing about being a gangster for capitalism, Japan was preparing for War in the Pacific and conquering and enslaving most of it, including Hawaii and possibly the US West Coast. While Germany had its own desires on Europe and beyond. Putin was right — the weak get beaten.
    —————-
    That “letter” was revolting. Sickening. Far too many John Cusak movies are responsible. Women don’t want that — women want Russell Brand type assholes. Lesson: try and be as famous as possible, and an asshole, or be a total thug intimidator. Auntie P to the contrary, women want Chris Brown, Brand, your local gang boss. Not a cube-dwelling nice guy. They NEED to be dominated. They won’t settle for anything less.

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  284. Ed, you ban people for mentioning ‘rape’?

    [Editor: No, I ban idiots for trolling the board with woe is me unverifiable rape stories intended as argumentum ad absurdums against game and other rape-unrelated stuff that is written about on this blog.]

    That’s brazilliant.

    [Shut the fuck up.]

    No wonder your readership is relegated to banjos and jungle juice.

    [Lame. You’re done.]

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  285. Aunty P–

    I bring women to REAL orgasm EVERY time because I KNOW firsthand what an orgasm for a woman IS and looks and feels like. Men often only care about their pathetic spooge spurt no matter how skanky or trashy the hooker they bump FUGlies with

    Classic Gen X radical lesbian propaganda.

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  286. @Aunt P
    That’s a very sparse description of the female orgasm, I’m not sure you’ve actually experienced it at all, but I won’t be volunteering to assist you in widening your experience, you’ll just have to stay anorgasmic for the time being as far as I’m concerned.

    Maybe Lily could use her extra-sensory powers of perception and tell us if you’re really a man.

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  287. on July 28, 2010 at 7:04 pm Smashing_Retards

    Auntie P. is another hyper-feminine, hyper-emotional, super-submissive, crazy-emotional-intensity woman who has fully activated her rationalization hamster.

    The hamster is moving so fast you can’t even see it now.

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  288. Auntie [email protected], ed,

    He’s a gorgeous BETA. Want his pictures for me to prove it lol

    Who she’s femdom trained to keep his ICKY, nasty, awful semen away from her.

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  289. For clarification, when I mentioned jobs, I didn’t mean those jobs made the guy alpha (as he could have any of those jobs and be a beta or sigma, though not I I think omega), I was just thinking about some of the natural alphas I know and their present/past jobs.

    “Edgie sexy fun guy over great to be with all the time guy. Though the ideal is that he’s both of course, for almost all girls.”
    Doug has it. Much better overall than an asshole any day of the week.

    @ Auntie
    Maybe you should consider leaving your husband and starting again? No doubt some men on here would criticise you for being female-led divorce statistic etc, but really life is too short. If what you say is true and you can exit with grace and not be unreasonable in terms of child custody (assuming any involved) and money generally, perhaps something for consideration. It is very unlikely you are doing to end up alone (though there are worse things) except for cats and books, again regardless of what some may on here think. Apologies if I am being presumptious by sharing my thoughts on your situation but I’m certainly not going to judge you in other ways.

    *ducks for cover on being accused of being a feminist encouraging women to divorce*

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  290. I’ve seen some bad writing about a woman’s experience of sex in my time but “nipples like eraser tips” has to take the biscuit.

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  291. sdaedalus

    Maybe Lily could use her extra-sensory powers of perception and tell us if you’re really a man.

    Close, but only in the worst ways.

    She’s a femdom lesbian. Married to some pretty provider husband.

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  292. Auntie,

    to combine your two themes: when men rape women and the woman orgasms, is she usually faking it? or is she just trying to fool the rapist so as not to hurt his sensitive ego due to early onset Stockholm Syndrome?

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  293. @sdaedalus
    Stop with the digs, now 🙂

    BTW I haven’t got any handle on where auntie’s coming from so too soon to tell. And I’ve learnt my lesson. But she’s not a man.

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  294. Auntie P. was an obvious hideous troll yet the women were still trying to carry on a respectable conversation with her.

    Women = gullible?

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  295. sdaedalus,

    You have proven yourself RETARDED.

    REAL orgasms last for a few SECONDS.

    ‘Feeling groovy’ is NOT an orgasm.

    Orgasm is that ‘peak’ you hit and then “BAM!” full blast of blood rushing and gushing feeling.

    Dayum! YOU are CLUELESS.

    truth. hahahahaha

    I still think you’re a man. You’re using all the cliched words like “peak”, “throbbing”, “release”, “climax” and of course, “clitoris”. But you’re not actually really describing what you’re feeling, it’s as if you’re an onlooker rather than a participant in the experience.

    PS: who compared “feeling groovy” with an orgasm? it wasn’t me. You all need to lay off this psychic distance reading of my mind, it doesn’t have a 100% success rate, you know.

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  296. “Women = gullible?”
    Some of the words that come to mind on how many women are brought up to be are just as examples, polite, conciliatory, respectful, gracious?

    Also sometimes perceived as gullibility and doormatedness if one were not careful. After this experience, some of us have to do what I understand is referred to as a ‘bitch shield’.

    Cue, ‘where have all the nice girls gone’.

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  297. @ sdaedalus
    Interesting observations.

    She did say the thing about the batteries and the freezer though did not make any mention of the link I shared with her.

    Maybe she’s a woman with a manjaw & hairy arms? Teehee. Now I really have to go to bed before I spout more stupid stuff. Yet another reason not to go drunk in bars unless I’m with people I know extremely well. I really can’t take my drink.

    Good night x

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  298. @Robert
    Many women will lose interest if you don’t have sex with them (ALL will eventually), so if you want to wait until marraige you will need to plan on a short courtship. (A low sex drive woman might last a year).

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  299. I think that most “betas” and “nice guys” are bad at sex because they don’t know how to take charge and give in to their instincts. They’re still trying to be nice. I also think that most of them really aren’t as nice as you think they are. They really, really, really are just doing everything they can to get laid, too. Ladies, that is universal among men. Yes, even that guy.

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  300. on July 28, 2010 at 7:33 pm What a woman

    aunti p shared her video here. i think she is around 23 and lying upwards about her age to gain kudos from the fembotz and lesbians to sell us on how well women age or some such shit.

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  301. on July 28, 2010 at 7:42 pm Smashing_Retards

    Evil Whore:

    *rape*
    – girl goes out with a male friend who she’s know for years on a platonic basis (and no for other readers they are not all beta orbiters, lots of alphas like having female friends for emotional purposes)
    – girl goes out with a guy she knows very well, e.g. seeing but they have made a decision not to have sex yet
    assuming in these cases she says no (even incoherently but she’s not going *sigh*, yes etc). Rape. Just because she went out drinking on her own with a guy she knows/trusts doesn’t make her a slut.

    Like most evil whores, this one has a simple take on “lesser” men. They either do what she wants, or they are destroyed.

    The idea that perhaps there is a difference between bad, perhaps even illegal, behavior and a major felony is useless to her. Thus, she simply can see the difference.

    How would it benefit the evil whore to see the difference?

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  302. Tim The women who comment on this blog are female chumps, which includes you.

    *chic noir struts up to tim*

    Now wait a darn minute, who you calling a chump homeboy.

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  303. Tim says, “Nicole has already told everyone her husband won’t fuck her, so she has several ‘bottom bitches’ she fucks instead. Do I need to explain further?”

    Whoa…I think you’re confused, which is understandable considering that it’s a matter of perspective.

    “Several” for me is like more than one per year. I don’t know what it is for you. I felt maxed out and like I needed to rethink my strategies because switching boyfriends every year and a half to two years is way too much because I’m a lifer.

    So when I spoke in terms of “my bitches”, I wasn’t talking about a lot of guys by today’s standards. I’m talking about a lot of guys by my Grandma’s standards.

    …and I wasn’t young or hot when I was with any of them. The tight, I’ll leave to the imagination.

    My husband is old. When a guy reaches a certain age, he needs what he needs, and vanilla is not it for him. So he has two subs, both of whom are older than me.

    Yes, I’m a freak, but I’m not the enemy. When your dick doesn’t work as well anymore, or you can only get it up for whatever’s your fetish, maybe young, hot chicks, hope that you have a wife who will let you do you.

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  304. on July 28, 2010 at 7:53 pm Smashing_Retards

    I love this thread! Thread, I LUV U!

    I think that most “betas” and “nice guys” are bad at sex because they don’t know how to take charge and give in to their instincts. They’re still trying to be nice. I also think that most of them really aren’t as nice as you think they are. They really, really, really are just doing everything they can to get laid, too. Ladies, that is universal among men. Yes, even that guy.

    Have these men EVER, EVER, EVER bought a solid ten escort for several hours?

    If they haven’t, then they certainly HAVE NOT done everything they can do to get laid.

    And yes, any man, even a lower-class one, can save the 1,000 dollars or so it would take for a solid 10 for several hours.

    So have they, or haven’t they?

    Ha.

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  305. …and GBFM, if you met me when I was 20, you’d have fallen in love the first time too.

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  306. on July 28, 2010 at 8:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””Say on job alone, a skilled wood craftsmen who fixes things is alpha just as much as a captain of industry or equerry to the prince of wales.”””

    wasn’t jesus a carpenter but then he like at 35 began the path along his true destiny?
    he he he

    But yea woman put to much faith in that carpenters can’t make loot. They make loot in an up economy and they make loot in down economy. I mean sure they may not be employed by goverment lol
    but yea umm why couldn’t a carpenter become the captain of industry.
    It is kind of funny though with woman. They don’t understand that almost any man with the proper motivation can get into the top 1 percent of worldwide income with a woman and him working together.
    So really if finances are so big a deal for woman why don’t most of them seem willing to work with a man to create some shit. 7 million millionaires in the world. That means you are gonna have to be doing something special to get a self made one. But you can creat a new one with a little bit of elbow grease on your part and having the pleaure of doing an activity together that guarantees you are that special snowflake in the world that can make shit happen. Plus if ya do it together then you got to get some satisfaction off that shit but yea.

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  307. @Chic, Nicole,

    mad respect mad respect, ok. It’s hard for me switching back and forth between men and women and men and women. I take the piss out of guys all the time and they take the piss out of me. And what you do in private is…private. I was merely highlighting its kind of a sexual free for all in today’s world, and it’s a little odd getting advice and speaking bluntly with the ladies re game. But what the hell I’ll give it a try.

    I know it’s a unisex world; I’m working on it.

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  308. Auntie,

    You talk loud but make less sense than you should.

    About female orgasms, stop making pronouncements. This comment of yours just shows us why women can’t make generalizations about women’s sexual experiences.

    sdaedalus,

    You have proven yourself RETARDED.

    REAL orgasms last for a few SECONDS.

    ‘Feeling groovy’ is NOT an orgasm.

    Orgasm is that ‘peak’ you hit and then “BAM!” full blast of blood rushing and gushing feeling.

    Dayum! YOU are CLUELESS.

    truth. hahahahaha

    Women and orgasms:

    Women shouldn’t tell other women what orgasms are like. The experience seems to be unique in every degree with every woman, though there are obvious commonalities.

    As a man, and after having been with a large sample of women in a variety of relationship types, I’m in a far better position to be able to determine both how women react and what the process is like – from a general point of view. How many women have you fucked?

    I will say this: Every woman is unique, and experiences orgasms uniquely. And if you’re with a woman, sometimes you need to almost forget what you learned before.

    PUAs and players who pay close attention to women and their pleasures are more reliable sources of data about female orgasms than women are.

    On long orgasms:

    I know at least 4-5 women whose orgasms last upwards of 4-10 seconds, and a few whose orgasms are dangerously long and intense. One was able to have orgasms almost continuously, for what seemed like ages (I checked the clock once and watched it go longer than 15 seconds), and then, after some sensitivity rest periods, do it again and again, especially after I had more experience with her. She was always easy. She absolutely loved sex. One night, she said that she must have come at least 20-30 times, all of the orgasms enormous, along with a few small ones that she no longer bothered to count.

    One woman and I explored an interesting effect we discovered. She had regular orgasms, but if the approach was drawn out long enough, and then maintained and controlled when it got there, and then suddenly the intensity was increased all of a sudden in a particular way during the orgasms – then she almost had an orgasm within an orgasm. This was different from a G-spot orgasm (with or without female ejaculation); it was like a different kind of orgasm on top of an orgasm. She passed out the first time.

    Another had a hard time having orgasms, generally, but was able to have short, spiky orgasms in sequence – at one point, as many as 10+ in one short session (it required very specific stimulation), over maybe 10 minutes.

    One woman only had a long, low orgasm, her body tensed, with a brief sharp spike and noise; and that was it for her.

    Some women almost seem like they’re sneezing; others scream and try to hit things; others grab hair and hands and scratch; you can tell it’s likely not faked by the muscle spasms, the consistency of the movement, the reaction, the fluid, wetness, involuntary contractions, her state after the fact, and the repeatability of the effects.

    One woman always had and wanted three huge orgasms in a row, after which she’d be forced to stop. And sleep for hours.

    I remember a Japanese woman who could have one orgasm, a long low-level one that didn’t involve a sharp spike, then needed to sleep, and usually collapsed in an exhausted slumber for hours, unable to wake. If I tried to touch her again, she was too sensitive. One Japanese airline stewardess was able to come repeatedly, with her own assistance, like an orgasm machine, and less reliably but reliably enough without self-stimulation.

    One woman I was with had given up on having men provide orgasms, and sought out only assistance and excitement. Another could *only* orgasm if a man was actually inside her – in a certain position, moving a certain way – and his dick was of the right shape/size. G-spot manipulation almost worked but not quite. On her own, she used a dildo and was quite upset once when she thought she lost it. She was intensely frustrated when she was single. She always went to bed with men early in relationships, to make sure they could fuck her the way she liked. It was one of her only sexual release options, so if the man couldn’t do it, he was out.

    Some women never have orgasms, but feel intense tingling; some do, but they’re short, sharp and powerful, or just short and sharp. Some rarely do, or only do with some partners. Some have orgasms easily. Some through penetration, some only by oral sex, some manually, some only with self-stimulation. Some love vibrators, some hate them. Some orgasms with any of these. Some with none of them.

    Some say that there are very different kinds of orgasms.

    Yes: some women can go on for long periods. Faking it? Maybe. I don’t think so, though. I was able to watch – predict – play – tease – torture – pretty easily, and after a month or so, it’d be hard to keep faking it convincingly. Nor would there be a good reason.

    I know one woman who faked it; I suspected all along. When she finally did come, she said she had something to tell me. I guessed and then said, “But you came this time”. And she said yes: And that she never had before. She was shocked.

    So it’s fakeable. But spend enough time having sex with women and sharing pleasure and it’s harder to do.

    I’ve been with a substantial number of women. I have a comprehensive sample set to work with. I’m very familiar with the build up – trajectory – manipulation and control of female orgasms, as a partner. I can tell you this:

    Women shouldn’t act as authorities about female orgasm without working in sex research. They can be authorities for their own orgasms. But the translatability of their experience to the experience of other women is limited.

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  309. Tim, it’s okay. If I couldn’t take the heat, I wouldn’t be in the kitchen.

    I appreciate constructive criticism, even if it’s not delivered very sweetly. It may take some time to get through my thick head, but eventually it does.

    That out of the way, I know I was too easy in the past, but it wasn’t a matter of time as much as it was a matter of selection.

    With my two husbands, there was a kind of cultural trust. In the first case, southern raised Black folks trust, and in the second, kids of blood spilling willing revolutionaries trust.

    This is how we could pass all the phases many would take weeks to get through in seconds.

    Because of the social/cultural understanding, we could easily gauge each other’s value and compatibility, so there was just me being a woman, and them being men, and doing what men and women do. No bullshit necessary. I couldn’t think of a good reason to say “no” that wasn’t stupid. It worked out for the best until husband #1 got bored, and husband #2 got old and fetish focussed.

    So when I got out there again, I was kind of naive but playing hard. So I was kind of a chump in the sense that I was kinda clueless as to what I was dealing with.

    Now, I’d like to think I’m less of a chump. I hope.

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  310. on July 28, 2010 at 8:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””Smashing_Retards
    Auntie P. is another hyper-feminine, hyper-emotional, super-submissive, crazy-emotional-intensity woman who has fully activated her rationalization hamster.

    The hamster is moving so fast you can’t even see it now.
    ””””””
    ””””’on July 28, 2010 at 7:53 pm Smashing_Retards
    I love this thread! Thread, I LUV U!

    I think that most “betas” and “nice guys” are bad at sex because they don’t know how to take charge and give in to their instincts. They’re still trying to be nice. I also think that most of them really aren’t as nice as you think they are. They really, really, really are just doing everything they can to get laid, too. Ladies, that is universal among men. Yes, even that guy.

    Have these men EVER, EVER, EVER bought a solid ten escort for several hours?

    If they haven’t, then they certainly HAVE NOT done everything they can do to get laid.

    And yes, any man, even a lower-class one, can save the 1,000 dollars or so it would take for a solid 10 for several hours.

    So have they, or haven’t they?

    Ha.

    ”””””’

    hahhahaha
    someone had a good time.
    So yea ready to save some loot like a madman possesed by demons he he he
    Incentive is a muthafucka

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  311. on July 28, 2010 at 8:19 pm i beg to differ

    i think antie p is a onto something

    i orgasmsed like 10 times over her videos and her desription of orgasms. lollolololoolozzz

    maybe she is a dude

    she discribed my orgasms to a t
    lolololololololzololzzzzz

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  312. nicole Yes, I’m a freak, but I’m not the enemy. When your dick doesn’t work as well anymore, or you can only get it up for whatever’s your fetish, maybe young, hot chicks, hope that you have a wife who will let you do you.

    comment of the month!

    [email protected] nicole.

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  313. Matt: If you click the links, even the fundies have their gender relation issues.

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  314. Lily: snog just sounds like some awfully slobbering, unromantic, unseductive thing pigs/hogs do.

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  315. Gorbachev: That was looong, full of spikes and certainly very educational. I really had no clue.

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  316. @Bhetti
    Gorbachev: That was looong, full of spikes and certainly very educational. I really had no clue.

    Hehehehe.

    Full of spikes.

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  317. Ya Nicole don’t take it personal. In football when a guy creams a guy on the field he also extends a hand and helps the guy up after.

    Lemme ask you this: I know this 26 yr old girl -that’s 14 years younger than me. She wants to go out but I’ve noticed on her facebook she’s friends with tons of guys old enough to be her father. What gives? My ex was 7 years younger but 14 is a wide margin. She just plain old neurotic? I almost feel like a pimp with a woman that much younger than me. She’s a solid 8. Should I drop the moral reservations and corrupt her? Am I infantilizing her even by asking that question? My guess is there is no answer. Too many variables.

    @Gorb,

    What you say about the female orgasm is correct. Every woman is totally different. I knew a woman who had her first orgasm when she was 47. (Those were her words). And the specific criteria required for her to achieve an orgasm was she needs a guy with a big cock. So every woman is different.

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  318. Tim, 14 years is not a bad age gap for an older man/younger woman situation. She’s 26, so she’s not a baby.

    In fact, she’s at the age of high “oops” pregnancy risk already. You couldn’t be judged harshly for going even younger.

    Be aware that this is also the age when hoes, usually more aware of reality than wife type women nowadays, realize that they are aging out. So they look for a retirement plan in an older guy who will provide for them.

    The tons of older guys on her Facebook is a red flag. She may well not be shagging them, but I could bet with some confidence, that the vast majority of them want to shag her.

    If I was a guy, I’d say hit it and forget it, or hit it until she starts asking for money if she’s good in bed. I don’t think you’ll be corrupting her.

    …and if you’re going young, aim for like 18-23, before they start to look less fresh.

    The only way to corrupt a grown woman is to hurt her. If you aren’t planning to do any damage, you’re not corrupting anyone. Guys are supposed to be attracted to young women. In a better time, people would be trying to get you to marry their 16 year old daughters.

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  319. on July 28, 2010 at 9:02 pm namae nanka

    “I’ve seen some bad writing about a woman’s experience of sex in my time but “nipples like eraser tips” has to take the biscuit.”

    never heard of “breasts like parabolas”?

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  320. Ambiance

    Things like “Sex has become so devalued. Girls hardly date anymore. They make it so easy for guys.”, wouldn’t that get her anti-slut defense up, and have her start thinking or saying “Well, I’m not going to be one of these girls”?

    Doesn’t that make my job harder on the first date?

    This was my first thought. It’s got the NLP all backwards. You want to associate sex with positive feelings and outcomes, not negative. It does work to 1) build up on preselection 2) flip the script such that the man is choosing. But since it fucks up with the positive associations for sex, it gets a fail.

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  321. Caroline

    I think it’s disgusting that you would want to manipulate a woman just to sleep with you.

    So for what ends would be not be disgusting to manipulate a girl?

    Did you mean to say “I think it’s disgusting to manipulate a girl” full stop?

    Or did you mean to say “damn it, I hate it when I fuck guys who won’t commit!”

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  322. Vincent Ignatius

    It’s a lot better if she sees your phone ringing off the hook…

    Interesting idea. You can setup an email client to text you throughout the night.

    Damn!

    I should start up a website that offers services of a female voice to call you at your specified times. Sweet! What other services should I put on there?

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  323. Btw, for those of you who care (it looks like Roissy’s banned her) here’s the decode on how she her lebo self uses alpha a beta.

    Alpha means dominant/leading to her, in either sex.

    Beta means submissive/following, in either sex.

    So alpha her loves submissive following men.

    The married lesbian femdom.

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  324. above is about Auntie P of course.

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  325. Go get married already. It isn’t too hard to do. Just find some guy who isn’t getting laid.

    That’s a keeper.

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  326. JAFO

    One of the tenets of game is that no woman is a special snowflake worth fighting for. To do so is to further inflate their sense of entitlement.

    This is pig-headed nonsense.

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  327. beta_disciple

    I just remembered a good example of aloofness game, probably several clips of which can be found on Youtube : the 70s (I think) show “I Dream of Jeannie”

    See how the submissive Jeannie follows her ‘master’ around and tries to seduce him as he keeps brushing off her attentions.

    That wasn’t aloofness game. He was gay.

    He had no sexual attraction to Genie.

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  328. Tim,

    May I ask why you think the 26-year-old is looking for a father in you? Apart from the really aggressive chatting, what makes you think she’s a freak? I’m sincerely curious, if you happen upon this comment. I mean, no one considers a 40-year-old man a freak, or thinks he’s looking for his daughter if he pursues a 26-year-old woman. Many women are attracted to older men; I don’t think this constitutes “freak with issues.”

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  329. Dragnet

    This is a standard feminist debating technique…

    You misspelled female.

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  330. Bhetti–

    Bhetti

    Lily: snog just sounds like some awfully slobbering, unromantic, unseductive thing pigs/hogs do

    I picture a bulldog slobbering away with his thick mucous myself.

    We were cursed with a bulldog for six months or a year when I was a tyke becoming a kid. I think in this case it was my dad’s idea. Bad idea.

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  331. Kate,

    Thank you for your openness. Well on my travels I did see a lot of this, particularly overseas in asia. Not uncommon at all. However I’m not aware if this is so common here in puritan north america. I’m ready to go for it, but I’m not so sure we’d be able to pull off such an interesting conversation. She’d be fun to play with, for sure. My gut tells me to be patient, give her some time.

    Oh and I don’t know if you read my earlier post about her. She also likes to talk dirty, real kinky. I mean everything. She says she feels its a woman’s place to serve her man sexually with whatever he desires, including anal. I don’t get into these conversations on a regular basis, so its nice to get feedback. I’m going to have to read up on some may/december game; that’s probably where the answers lie.

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  332. on July 29, 2010 at 12:32 am Tupac Chopra

    Dougie Wuggie:

    For example I’ve long known that things like palm reading, personality tests, astrology, eastern zen type philosophy, and just about anything that reads a girls emotions and psychology are cat nip for most chicks. Really for all if you chose the right one for her. I’ve never taken the effort to learn routines like the cube etc. though because, well, I haven’t needed to. Still might be useful one of these days….

    Catnip? Catnip for what?

    One of my big beefs with “Game”: Just because you have a woman paying attention to you doesn’t count for a lot. Entertainment monkey much? I can get bitches looking at me by acting like a dashing flaming queer, or by wearing a feather boa, or by having an epilectic seizure. Has fuck all to do with getting a bitch’s PUSSY WET. You know what gets the gina tingling (as opposed to her forebrain entranced)? Social dominance (against other men), or interpersonal psychosocial dominance (against the woman).

    Let’s keep that in mind at all times, K?

    (Not directed at you Doug, since I know your peerless alphatude allows you beta handicaps and such)

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  333. on July 29, 2010 at 12:50 am Tupac Chopra

    Tupac channeling Rum:

    To my mind, the core disconnect between the sexes can be summed up in a single point. This point can be made to any and all females in your environment whom you are not attempting to game, particularly women over 30 who give you shit about your whoring ways:

    No man gets in a relationship with a woman he is not sexually attracted to. Sure, over time he may eventually lose interest if the girl (or wife, more commonly) gets fat. But he doesn’t bother with relationships in the first place if he is not sexually interested.

    OTOH hand, women will frequently get in relationships with men whom they are NOT sexually attracted to. The man might have money, or status, etc., and she will overlook her anemic gins tingling in favor of the female program of securing a mate. Sure, sometimes her ends are “noble”, i.e., he “understands her”, or is loyal, but this says nothing about her sexual desire.

    Men make the mistake of projecting their own biases onto women. But women have dual needs.

    Speak this simple truth to women (“women can have relationships with men they are not sexually attracted to”)and you will find that — no matter how doctrainnare whatever feminist you are talking to — she will hang her head in shame for a microsecond, and will begrudgingly acknowledge the truth of what you say.

    All the rest is commentary.

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  334. Tupac

    Speak this simple truth to women (“women can have relationships with men they are not sexually attracted to”)and you will find that — no matter how doctrainnare whatever feminist you are talking to — she will hang her head in shame for a microsecond, and will begrudgingly acknowledge the truth of what you say.

    What women have you been talking to?

    What you will find is the no true scotsman argument. Preceded by the but not all girls are like that argument.

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  335. Nicole–

    Yes, I’m a freak, but I’m not the enemy.

    Yeah I know.

    Even though I easily could on many things. That’s why I don’t.

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  336. Great lines. I just leave high heels at my entrance for girls that are coming over to see. Actually, the girls leave them there.

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  337. Just so you know, not all of us young girls vote liberal.

    Patriotism makes my quim quiver.

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  338. And have you considered the possibility that a great percentage of women are good for nothing other than their fungible vaginas?

    I’ve never understood this concept about women being fungible. Sometimes I wonder if it’s a reaction men take to bolster up their pride and get a stiff upper lip against rejection. A tough attitude to take on so that they feel that any girl is as good as the next.

    I call bullshit.

    Is a hamburger fungible for brocolli-cheese?

    Doug recently wrote about many ways that women come. He had a nice variety, but didn’t even mention nearly them all. Pussy is not fungible.

    Yes, some women are worth a great deal more than are others.

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  339. Why is it the last three posts (by three separate posters) have the exact same automatically generated avatar? Is someone trolling, or is the wordpress avatar generator on a break?

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  340. “OTOH hand, women will frequently get in relationships with men whom they are NOT sexually attracted to. ”

    What’s even funnier is that I’ve had people tell me that I SHOULD do this, that I should date and “give the beta guy’s”
    aka “the guy’s I’m not attracted too” a chance. Tell me, as a guy, would you really want to be in a relationship with a girl where sex only came because she felt a sense of obligation. Would man or woman really want to be in a sexual situation with someone who doesn’t turn them on?

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  341. Gorb @8:01pm 7/28/10

    Hereby nominated for comment of the month.

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  342. vasafaxa,

    You are misunderstanding the advice. You’re supposed to date them WITHOUT fucking them, getting to know them better and giving attraction a chance to build. It has been known to occur that women become quite attracted to a man they were not attracted to initially, after they get to know him better.

    For example, if the guy happens to be a good kisser that might trigger a more serious attraction, but you’d never find that out if you didn’t date him. But you might also find out that he has a sense of humor that pushes some buttons for you, or smells sexy, or has good hands, or any number of other things not apparent when he first asks you out.

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  343. does love come before sex or does sex come before love? chicken egg?

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  344. vasafaxa,

    Did you honestly think, when writing your comment above, that agreeing to “date” someone implies that you already expect to have sex with them?

    If you answer is yes, then you are a modern woman, and not in a good way.

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  345. Did you honestly think, when writing your comment above, that agreeing to “date” someone implies that you already expect to have sex with them?

    If you answer is yes, then you are a modern woman, and not in a good way.

    – – – –

    I date guys like this. I’m not attracted. When they tell me they are attracted I tell them this. They leave.

    Most guys aren’t going to stick around if sex appears to not be in the cards. If they don’t leave they either whine, insult me or push the issue physically making me feel even more uncomfortable.

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  346. And sex is somewhat of an exaggeration. Honestly I don’t even feel comfortably kissing people I’m not attracted to ((sans on stage of course but there is a security here, they’re not going to try anything and we’re both aware that it’s for acting purposes.)).

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  347. I am very good at giving guys chances. I WANT to be attracted to these guys I really do. But I just can’t make myself feel a certain way. I once when on a date with a guy three separate times hoping to feel attracted, but it just wasn’t there. Everytime I’ve given a guy a “chance’ even though I felt in my gut that I wasn’t attracted — not revulsion mind you– but just no attraction, attraction hasn’t magically sprung up.

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  348. polymath

    Gorb @8:01pm 7/28/10

    Hereby nominated for comment of the month.

    Seconded. I misatributed it to Doug1 in a recent comment about fungibility.

    Loving and appreciating women is a large part of building attraction. Yes, they are all special little snowflakes.

    If you don’t actually love them, you won’t give off love pheromones. You may give off testosterone, but not the love pheromones that make a girl swoon.

    There is no big reward without the big risk, and so we simply have no choice to put some portion of our hearts on the line, if we want to get a big portion of hers.

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  349. Polymath

    For example, if the guy happens to be a good kisser that might trigger a more serious attraction, but you’d never find that out if you didn’t date him. But you might also find out that he has a sense of humor that pushes some buttons for you, or smells sexy, or has good hands, or any number of other things not apparent when he first asks you out.

    I wonder if bonds and love develop this way, but not sexual chemistry? I don’t recall a personal situation in which the chemistry was greatly lacking, and then grew to become something unpredicted. Love, perhaps.

    Do you have some examples?

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  350. “I am very good at giving guys chances. I WANT to be attracted to these guys I really do. ”

    don’t be, they should earn it, though there might be some of them that might be good enough but might be betaising themselves because of their own projections,
    that’s the tragedy, girl’s projections think of the man as an alpha, the boy’s own projections make his beta.

    but since you wrote that you are not that good-looking, most of them should be default beta.

    “Tell me, as a guy, would you really want to be in a relationship with a girl where sex only came because she felt a sense of obligation. ”

    oh will be glad to be, only I shouldn’t be under the obligation for anything else.

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  351. Tim,

    I wasn’t able to determine whether you were concerned about a relationship with the 26-year-old because she had some extreme ideas about relationships, or because she seems to have a penchant for older men. At first, it read to me like you were mainly concerned about the latter. While I could see being a little off-put by your conversations with her, women often like men much older, and this is not at all odd.

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  352. xsplat,

    I wonder if bonds and love develop this way, but not sexual chemistry? I don’t recall a personal situation in which the chemistry was greatly lacking, and then grew to become something unpredicted. Love, perhaps.

    Do you have some examples?

    I didn’t say anything about “greatly lacking”. I am just saying that sexual chemistry that is potentially there might take a while to become apparent, enough to be worth a few dates. And we all know of cases where a woman who was not attracted to a guy on first meeting him, when she met him again months or years later, saw something different and attractive in him (might just be new money or a hot girlfriend giving him social proof, or he might have matured or gotten game).

    However, this is most likely to be the case in a LJBF situation, where the woman actually likes the guy but has mentally classified him into the “friend zone”. Guys quite often break out of that zone simply by getting another girlfriend — the girl who LJBF’d him suddenly has something click and looks at him differently, and if he ever breaks up with the new GF he will have a chance with the original girl. The point is, this proves that “lack of chemistry” was not something fixed and essential for that pair of people, chemistry was potentially there but some women need certain buttons pushed to get it started.

    vasafaxa,

    I am very good at giving guys chances. I WANT to be attracted to these guys I really do. But I just can’t make myself feel a certain way. I once when on a date with a guy three separate times hoping to feel attracted, but it just wasn’t there. Everytime I’ve given a guy a “chance’ even though I felt in my gut that I wasn’t attracted — not revulsion mind you– but just no attraction, attraction hasn’t magically sprung up.

    It usually won’t, but if 1 in 10 times it does, that ‘s worth the tryouts. Three dates is a reasonable place to stop if you don’t feel anything, but one is definitely too soon, it makes the date much too high-pressure. And be willing to at least hold hands and try a real good-night kiss on the first date, it will overcome nervousness for both of you and give any potential attraction a chance to build.

    Also, if there are any guys you are already friends with who are attracted to you, so that you are not also worrying about simply getting to know them, this is more likely to work out; and someone who is frustrated at being LJBF’d is much more likely to be OK with it after you can genuinely say “you know, it just isn’t there for me” after 2 or 3 dates, because he will have actually experienced that it isn’t there for you.

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  353. @Kate,

    No, simply voicing my inexperience with women of a much younger age than me. In this particular case I’d be stretching my personality in a way I haven’t done before. My ex was seven yrs younger, but I felt quite comfortable with that. 14 yrs younger and now we’re almost different generations, see what I mean?

    I have to go back and think of what kinds of things a 26 yr old woman wants to do. Maybe I should buy a motorbike. Nothing expensive, maybe 2nd hand for a couple grand. It’s funny, she even told me her parents preferred her to have a much older bf/partner.

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  354. Tim,

    I see. I personally feel once a woman is in her mid-twenties, there really is no age gap too large unless there is something about the age difference that keeps one party from enjoying the relationship.

    I would encourage you to not think about what she likes as a 26-year-old — she would date another 26-year-old if this is what she wanted. Often what is most intriguing about older men, is that they are often not as eager to please; if you start becoming too concerned with what she thinks about the age difference, you shift this dynamic.

    Also, on the motorbike thing. If you truly want one, then go for it. But again, do it because it’s your hobby/interest, or you’ll end up looking like a man having a mid-life crisis who is just using her and the motorbike to feel better about himself.

    My two cents, as a woman who appreciates older men, is embrace your age and where you’re at in life. If you’re a fun-loving, easy-going guy, this will be all you need not to seem old and cranky to her. Trust me, she finds your differences fascinating.

    I’m not sure I’ve read the post on this blog you referenced, but have to say that all the advice I’ve read here regarding older men and younger women have been spot-on. I wouldn’t say that about *all* the ideas here, but that much has been.

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  355. Excellent advice, thank you.

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  356. Interesting.

    On one side, your side, you state that women would find it more attractive for a guy to state that he is easily able to obtain sex. That when you instate ideas of competition that you get a girl more reprimanding and focused on having sex.

    But on the other hand, you have guys in your comments stating that what if you say this and she automatically thinks you might be a slut for doing so, and close up before she feels comfortable.

    These are both interesting sides, however, it’s sort of obvious that roissy is talking about one type of women and the commenters are talking about another side. Roissy is obviously talking about the type of women who are comfortable with sex and that it’s a second nature. The commenters are talking about women who are sort of on the fence about what they want and how they should get it.

    But again, from my experience, women are more attracted to men who seem like they have a good amount of sex. I could see Roissy’s point, I just would just gauge the woman I’m interested in before saying certain things. A certain confident person will give off a good sexual aura anyways.

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