How To Evade Tough Questioning From Women

This one time, in gigolo camp…

I’d like to relay a conversation I had with a past lover who asked a very pointed question as we were strolling along a riverbank (yes, really! Hallmark called and wanted their moment back), in hopes that it will impart a valuable lesson for the next generation of pussy houndlings. Our love ended when she moved far away, but she later returned for a few weeks and met with me to wax nostalgic over old times. The pertinent part of our convo follows:

Her: Did you use game on me?

Me: (momentarily rattled) What do you mean?

Her: I mean did you say things that would make me fall for you? Were your feelings real?

After a few seconds pause to collect myself and stop from blurting an ill-formed, self-incriminating reply, I stowed my easy smile and summoned my Very Serious Face.

Me: Since when did you become so cynical? One thing I’ll always regret is turning a woman like you into a cynic. It doesn’t suit you.

Her: I’m not cynical. I was just wondering if you meant what you said to me.

Me: Tell me, was I a bad influence on you?

Her: No.

Me: But I was. You sound like a different girl today. That’s not good. You’ve lost something, and it kills me inside.

Our conversation took a detour at that juncture, as we passed a store that reminded her of the place where I picked her up. When we returned to the subject, she asked me what I meant when I said she was different now than when I met her. All talk of “game” had ceased.

Note three themes: 1) I never answered her question directly. 2) I redirected the conversation so that she was put on the defensive, having to reconcile both a possible change in her personality for the worse, and blame for making me feel like “it was killing me inside”. 3) The “bad influence” assumption fed her desire for JERKBOY drama.

The wild-eyed feminist reader shrieks, “That’s manipulation!” Is it? Substantively, nothing I said was false. Her fling with me really did provoke in her a small measure of cynicism. It’s also true that she was a naturally big-hearted girl for whom cynicism conflicted with those temperamental attributes that made her special to me. And finally, I did in fact feel kind of bad for arousing in her dark suspicions. And it is a fact as well that women welcome a bit of badboy excitement in their love lives.

But there would’ve been no gain to be had, for either of us, from admitting under interrogation that I had used game on her or from expressing regret for the use of game rather than regret for the effect that it had on her uncorrupted, trusting love. Because I knew from experience that when women ask seemingly pointed questions, what they really want to know goes much deeper, to primal feelings that women hold near and dear, like, for instance, the nature of loving reciprocation. Directing my replies to those deeper feelings in her, as if I was talking to a separate being or the real woman behind the curtain, would yield fuller intimacy.

So I had used game. And I meant what I had said to her when we first met. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Game was the best way to persuade her that my feelings for her were genuine, because I knew that she would need that professionally administered seduction to be open to receiving my sincere message of love. Yes, you evade tough questioning from a woman to sidestep discomfort and bad feelings, but you also evade her dead end inquisitions to grapple with the turbulence of her hidden, animating emotions. The art and science of seduction can be as enlightening as it can be bewildering. And there’s no woman in the world who doesn’t love it for both reasons.





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  1. transparency is not intimacy

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    • intimacy needs secrecy, be it covers walls or the shadows of truths only accurate in the context of conversation. Fantasy builders need direct answers to build better lies, believers need better lies to believe in.

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      • > “nothing I said was false… regret for the effect that it [GAME] had on her uncorrupted, trusting love…”

        Somebody’s conscience is starting to bother him.

        HINT: Start putting some buns in these bitches’ ovens, Heartiste.

        And stick around for the live births, nine months later.

        Then you’ll finally begin to understand why God gave you a dick and some testes between your legs.

        And why God gave her a birth canal to house your dick.

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  2. Of course i did.

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  3. Gents: how does one spin plates? For the first time ever, I now have 3 plates. I’m too honest and find it difficult to do this. All three want to see me every night so I keep seeing one I like a lot and canceling on the other. The main one knows about the other one because that’s the one I took to the holiday party after I uninvited the main one. Showing I can snap my fingers and get a replacement caused massive tingles, of course, so the last 2 nights with the main one have been great. But she wants to check my phone, etc. and asks me if I’m going out with the other one. (She doesn’t know about the third one.)

    So, like, how is this supposed to work. I see option one as potential LTR (shoot me I’m beta). She’s a high class girl who has been with only one man in her life (seriously). I’m teaching her stuff. She’s a true HB9 — super hot and my type. I just have to ensure she’s not going to always be such a pain in the ass.

    Option 2 has killer body but butter face but is super duper fun and cool and wants to bang. I’m afraid banging her will ruin chances with option 1 because I’m not capable of lying.

    Option 1, also, will call me tonight to see if I pick up phone or am with option 2.

    Since I’m beta I told option 1 I’d “date her” if that’s what she wants. I’m I super naive and option 1 is evil and is spinning plates like all women do while not wanting me to spin plates?

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    • on December 17, 2013 at 5:09 pm Lamont Cranston

      Dude – she never, ever checks your phone. Make sure it locks. Even if there’s nothing on it. She does NOT get to monitor your movement or who you talk to. Let that happen and you’re on your way to being Captain Manbitch on the SS Whipped.

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      • Well she grabbed it. Didn’t gave password. More I think about it she is a selfish manipulative bitch. I will let option 2 come over now.

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      • Just stop, seriously… It works like this. “I am dating”. Women have no proclivity about dating multiple men to find “Mr. Right”, men do the same. Do you wish to know the true nature of my relationships with the women I’m dating. Do you wish to know who I am having sex with or not? Be careful what you wish for…

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      • > “Do you wish to know the true nature of my relationships with the women I’m dating. Do you wish to know who I am having sex with or not?”

        The other option would be overt, explicit polygamy:

        Federal judge rules parts of Utah anti-polygamy law unconstitutional
        December 15, 2013, 7: 22 AM
        http://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-judge-rules-parts-of-utah-anti-polygamy-law-unconstitutional/

        Personally, I feel that polygamy would be disastrous for Western Civilization.

        The classical Western ideal, of one man/one woman, means that EVERY man has skin in the game [no pun intended].

        EVERY man has something to stand his ground for, and to fight and to die for.

        By contrast, the Eastern peoples are divided into the Big Men, who seize all the womynz for themselves, and the little men, who are left to bugger one another [and then maybe every so often, if a little man works his way to the top of the buggery heap, a big man might throw him a bone off the table]:

        Of course, The Frankfurt School, being an Eastern people, which practiced polygamy all throughout biblical times, and, thereafter, continued to practice polygamy well into the modern era, know all too well how the spreading of their polygamist ways will work to destroy Western Civilization.

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      • on December 18, 2013 at 6:53 am RappaccinisDaughter

        That kind of spying on you—and that’s what she’s doing, invading your privacy—is unacceptable behavior at any stage of the relationship. It’s even more troubling when it’s happening this early. That’s a real red flag, Grim.

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      • The world of cell phones and texting is bullshit and makes LTR impossible.

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      • on December 18, 2013 at 11:11 am RappaccinisDaughter

        It’s not cell phones and texting in and of themselves; it’s people’s attitudes towards them, and the extent to which they allow their little toys to substitute for in-person interaction.

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      • U mean WOMEN do that RD. Jesus Christ

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      • Especially since as a pretty girl she spins plates constantly without even realizing it. Woe is men.

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      • Woe indeed. Take this butterknife and sit down over there. Give me her number and I’ll talk some sense into her.

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    • She’s a high class girl who has been with only one man in her life (seriously).

      Only one?

      No. Way. In. Hell.

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    • on December 17, 2013 at 8:23 pm Hugh G. Rection

      If you don’t want to lie then don’t.

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    • “Since I’m beta I told option 1 I’d “date her” if that’s what she wants.” Why not just tell her you’ll cut your balls off with a butterknife if that’s what she wants?

      Christ, you’re handed this on a silver plate:

      Option 1: Are you dating Option 2?
      You: Maybe
      Option 1: What?! Let me check your phone!
      You: No. What are you, the NSA?

      On date with Option 2:

      Ring. Ring. Ring. Ring.
      You: Excuse me a moment
      (Check phone. Smirk. Don’t answer. Put it away.)
      You: Tell me, are you the clingy type?.

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      • Nothing to add. You were sort of a cunt when you arrived, but like Tilikum, you seem to have mellowed out. I could be wrong, as I’ve been wrong before. But let us see…

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      • By coincidence, I arrived in a cunt, but I was one blowjob away from non-existence, which I consider a miracle, because my folks aren’t Catholic.

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      • Whoops….But if you are referring to a couple of days ago, it’s my view that I was giving back what I received.

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  4. Lol, all she wanted to know is whether your feelings were real. Asking about game was simply the means to that end. You could have said you gamed her to win her and keep her… I doubt she’d care. She just wants to hear you actually loved her. You heartless bastard. 😉

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  5. Does anyone really want to hear a direct answer to a pointed question, anyway? This is “game” on a higher plane (also known as sophistication or maturity).

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    • Men do.

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      • You fucker. Beat me to the quip.

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      • > “Does anyone really want to hear a direct answer to a pointed question, anyway?”

        Real men also know that they need to pick and choose the moments when they ask the pointed questions.

        There’s a time and a place for being pointed, and there’s a time and a place for demurring, and keeping your God-damned mouth shut.

        PS: I just glanced at the official definition of “demur”, and it looks like M-W feels that it is moving away from “to hesitate” and towards “to object”:

        http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/demurring

        That’s not a good development.

        Too much Frankfurt School bickering and quarrelling and hatefulness in modern locution.

        It’s ruining the language.

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      • on December 18, 2013 at 10:47 am The Spirit Within

        You’re a sick dude. This Frankfurt School obsession you evince is unbelievable, to the point now where you blame it for ruining the English language (!). What’s next? Your socks shrunk in the wash? Must be Frankfurt spies. Your kid failed algebra? Teacher must a J.

        Stop whining.

        You’re on a PUBLIC forum, and the thousands of people reading your words are forming opinions of you.

        Also, if you want some real hatefulness in modern locution, then read some of your own comments from months past. Your bile is unbelievable, and now it’s clear that your hypocrisy is even worse.

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      • > “This Frankfurt School obsession you evince is unbelievable, to the point now where you blame it for ruining the English language (!).”

        Go back to Tel Aviv, Jew Boy.

        Back to Tel Aviv:

        George Orwell
        Politics and the English Language
        http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit

        “But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought. A bad usage can spread by tradition and imitation even among people who should and do know better. The debased language that I have been discussing is in some ways very convenient. Phrases like a not unjustifiable assumption, leaves much to be desired, would serve no good purpose, a consideration which we should do well to bear in mind, are a continuous temptation, a packet of aspirins always at one’s elbow. Look back through this essay, and for certain you will find that I have again and again committed the very faults I am protesting against. By this morning’s post I have received a pamphlet dealing with conditions in Germany. The author tells me that he ‘felt impelled’ to write it. I open it at random, and here is almost the first sentence I see: ‘[The Allies] have an opportunity not only of achieving a radical transformation of Germany’s social and political structure in such a way as to avoid a nationalistic reaction in Germany itself, but at the same time of laying the foundations of a co-operative and unified Europe.’ You see, he ‘feels impelled’ to write — feels, presumably, that he has something new to say — and yet his words, like cavalry horses answering the bugle, group themselves automatically into the familiar dreary pattern. This invasion of one’s mind by ready-made phrases (lay the foundations, achieve a radical transformation) can only be prevented if one is constantly on guard against them, and every such phrase anaesthetizes a portion of one’s brain.”

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    • Does anyone really want to hear a direct answer to a pointed question, anyway?

      Men do.

      Which is why the will to “evasion” is a bit of a non-starter. You neutralize tough questions best by … get ready … answering them. More often than not, she will find it easier to conform herself to the reality you have just laid down rather than resist or even complain. Provided you have done the groundwork properly.

      Her: Did you use game on me?

      Me: Yes.

      Her: Were your feelings real?

      Me: Yes.

      The interrogation is her “frame,” her territory. Men score by being strategically laconic. Verbalizing “feelings” is like crawling into her world instead of pulling her into yours. Demonstrating rather than describing (or attempting to describe) is what she yearns for, and to comply is to fail a shit test. There are no words, only deeds.

      Unless you’re a born poet like me. And the host of this site.*

      Matt

      * I flatter only to escape moderation, most gracious and merciful effendi.

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      • * I flatter only to escape moderation, most gracious and merciful effendi.

        Unnecessary licking of the ball sack. I have to think this is because you’ve been banned far and wide in the “Manosphere”.

        CH is the most pragmatic site in the known universe at this very moment at least close to 2014. Whilst he realizes that your position, is not his position, he also reazlies your cause is his cause.

        It is the same reason you absolve Zombie Shane of ignorance while he tries to destroy allies and much to my chagrin, continues to drive spikes into the shield wall, the phalanx of old, that is basically, pissed off European descendents, of ANY stripe.

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      • > “the shield wall”

        The shield wall of the Roman Papacy?

        You do realize that you have an Argentian Jesuitical Velvet Mafia Faggot sitting on the throne now, right?

        Slum Pleasures – The Social Church
        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3068992/posts

        “Is it, then, not so, that the slum will attract those priests seeking in it those forbidden pleasures their sensual – or perverted – nature craves for, but that would not be allowed to them in the fairly well-ordered society outside?”

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      • Is it too little for you to weary men, that you weary my God also?

        You have become insufferable.

        Thanks to your penchant for dryfisting every disagreement into open lesions, I now sympathize more with the nihilists and Jews to whom you have subjected your daily, addlepated, ADHD denunciations. Your inability to calibrate drives people to the other side, if only to get away from the hot bad breath which gives us all a bad name.

        I suspect you are a plant.

        Watch Greg Eliot, with whom I perhaps disagree as much as or more than you. Or CH, for that matter. Or even YaReally, who at least has some modicum of control and occasionally exhibits an ounce of goodwill for his critics when not directly called out.

        Your elderly bitterness makes you an enemy of the good, in the name of delusions of perfection. You have humped your all of your hobbyhorses into splinters.

        Matt

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      • Yeah that banning bullshit is gay to the max.

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      • Unnecessary licking of the ball sack.

        Dramatic irony. Hence the use of the word “only.”

        Whoever counseled to “never explain a joke” never met the internet.

        Alas/jest/flat.

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      • on December 18, 2013 at 8:50 am The Burninator

        I posted pretty much the same thing, except it has disappeared into the void. She conforms to your frame, not the other way around. If she can’t handle it, Next.

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      • And three hours later it appears, heh. Interesting software.

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  6. on December 17, 2013 at 2:33 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    You weren’t manipulating her. You were talking to her in the language of women.

    Remember that graphic of women’s brains, and the complex interlocking neural connections in the speech and emotional centers? We don’t just use those for storing brownie recipes. When women talk to one another, we are actually having about four separate conversations.

    There is the conversation that we are overtly having. There is the conversation that we are NOT having. There is the conversation that I will be having with other women about the conversations we are and are not having. There is the conversation that she will be having with other women about the conversations that we are and are not having. It all happens in real time, simultaneously, effortlessly.

    (This, by the way, is why women frequently think men don’t listen to us. We think we just got done explaining something to you like you were five, but…you could only hear one level of the conversation. No, this is not a twattastic feminist value judgment on men, just an acknowledgement that we are different.)

    So you weren’t really evading her “real” question. You were answering the question she asked in the conversation you weren’t having. Very well done. Keep teaching men how to do this, and there might just be hope for us yet.

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    • “There is the conversation that we are overtly having. There is the conversation that we are NOT having. There is the conversation that I will be having with other women about the conversations we are and are not having. There is the conversation that she will be having with other women about the conversations that we are and are not having. It all happens in real time, simultaneously, effortlessly.”

      The quickest way to be aloof and noncommittal with women is imagining yourself stuck listening to this at the dinner table every night.

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    • tl;dr

      “We chicks are frivolous, conniving, & shallow.”

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    • “This, by the way, is why women frequently think men don’t listen to us. We think we just got done explaining something to you like you were five, but…you could only hear one level of the conversation.”

      No, I hear all 483 levels of women’s conversations; I just don’t care about them. I’ll acknowledge whichever levels appeal to me in that moment, and not one more.

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      • on December 18, 2013 at 6:56 am RappaccinisDaughter

        As is your prerogative. However, the time may come when you do care, or when it’s in your best interest to pretend you do (as in CH’s story above). Keeping those skills sharp certainly can’t hurt you, no?

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    • This is why women can no longer cook.

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    • Your most insightful comment yet.

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    • on December 18, 2013 at 8:52 am The Burninator

      Too many men speak nearly exclusively in the language of women these days, especially men under the age of 40. We need less teaching them their now native tongue, and more teaching them to speak like men again.

      The new order is to re-establish the traditional order – The man’s frame should be the one adhered to in cases like this, not the other way around.

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  7. Asking “what do you mean by that” is always a good strategy when asked a difficult question (whether with women in a dating context or anyone really). It forces the asker to give you more details while you think of a suitable response.

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  8. ” “That’s manipulation!” Is it?”

    No. Manipulation is, by definition, coercive. The emotional coercive forces are fear, guilt and shame. All you did was evade and she failed to pursue.

    The root of the word is the key to understanding it. Manipulate; to take in hand and move by force. Wrestlers grappling are manipulating each other. Wrestlers circling each other looking for an opening or an escape are not.

    You made good your escape. Retreat is not assault.

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  9. Some great stealth stuff would work for deflecting certain questions. Cynicism can’t hurt here.

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  10. Serious question re: tough questioning. I have been with my gf for almost a year now. When we first started hooking up I cut things off with this other chick I was banging. (Never hooked up with her or really talked to her when started hanging with gf). A few months into relationship two things happened. 1) I kissed another girl 2) bang buddy texted me. I never responded to the text. gf saw her name from text, looked her up on Facebook, grilled me about still talking to her even though I had cut her off. I survived, but to this day two things still happen:

    1) When anything on TV/radio mentions cheating she will bring up the kissing incident and try to get info on it (I was blackout drunk and don’t even remember it). I ignore and reframe and it usually gets dropped, but I would like to eliminate this completely so I never have to discuss it again. Is this possible?

    2) Will randomly accuse me of lying to her about what point I stopped hooking up with bang buddy. (Bang buddy was Spanish chick, we’ll say a 6. Current gf is a 9 and a head turner) When a spanish chick is on TV or someone brings up spanish people she will be like, “You love fat spanish girls” or something of that ilk. I usually just make fun of dudes she used to date or ignore, but am really sick of having to deal with questions about this and comments.

    Any way to eliminate these scenarios without breaking up?

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    • My wife of 15 years still brings up things from 8 or so years ago, even back to when we got married but not so much that because feelings were very good then. In my opinion (and I said this to her half jokingly even while we were dating) if it’s not one complaint it’s another. The limit to complaints is her mood and the time available for complaining (seems she can make a lot of that) not the available topics.

      If it weren’t those 2 things it would be some other things. She’s just fixated on them. But she’s making no headway. I think you’re in good shape if you just stop caring about this endless inquisition and let her keep drilling those same dry holes. You’ve already stabilized them.

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      • Did I really just have to type out “agree and amplify”?

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      • Yeah, I do that sometimes, it usually calms things down. Keeps her distracted from bringing up a new complaint I guess. I’ll see if I can find more opportunities.

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    • question 1-no you don’t. if its not coming up she is fucking Ya Really on a girls night out.

      question 2-same as number 1

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      • I have to agree. I cheated on my wife a long time ago, and throughout the marriage whenever I would get pissed at her for something she did, she would throw this out to redirect and distract me from the scent of the bone I was gnawing on. If she was ever bothered by this for real, why didn’t she collect child support bonanza? Exactly.

        I’m starting to develop a massive ego now that I realize how little she understands about how desperate I was to stay this long. She never knew about my weak internal state, my perceived lack of options, she just knew about her tingles all these years, which is why I’m the only guy I know on a first marriage who is still fucking his wife whenever he takes a notion.

        Basically, I’m such a spectacular asshole that even when I try to be nice, it doesn’t work, which turns out to be awesome now that I appreciate this dark gift.

        Recent quote from a girl I was gaming: “You just ripped out my entire soul and took a shit on it, then you made me feel fantastic about myself, all at the same time.” Ol’ Troubadour here is starting to fly. *manic evil laughter*

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      • Most guys get married so they don’t have learn game or face the sexual marketplace. They think that marriage will shield them from the reality of having to continually game your girl. It doesn’t matter how long you’ve been married. It doesn’t matter whether you are married or not. If you stay w/ one girl exclusively for longer than 3 months, you’re gonna have to game her.

        I learned game, my wife dropped a bunch of weight, I’m fucking her at my leisure and she thinks I’m all that. Game is required, married or not.

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      • I thought it was so the kids would have a stable home. Or is nobody interested in their posterity, just the girl’s posterior, any more?

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      • Cheet moar

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      • Wow you’re heavy gaming other girls even though you aren’t having sex with them. Whatever …

        For all my complaints about my wife, and her complaints about me, I get sex when I want unless she is on her period.

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      • Oh, and I am on my first marriage. Really I don’t think it’s that uncommon. I have the feeling that it’s that way in a lot of the houses in my neighborhood, people have their problems but are generally happy with how things have gone. Lots of old couples in my area. But I don’t go asking friends and neighbors about how often they fuck their wives, so I can’t say I know for sure.

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    • This is what you have from 1 year of being with her. Imagine what a trove of shit she’ll have after 10 or 20 years together.

      Just think, in 1 year surely there are other moments she could give you shit about. She’s just focused on these. If she weren’t she would complain about other things. She chose to complain and these keep coming to mind.

      Just ignore it as much as possible, wish I had better advice. Being married over 15 years there’s a vast archive for my wife to choose from.

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    • What is happening is she is trying to make you beta yourself. If a beta was texted by a chick he used to desire but she stopped texting him, he would apologize profusely to the chick he was “seeing”, while pissing his pants, buy her a bunch of gifts and flowers. The other part is she is trying to get hand in the relationship. What this means is that you are doing enough things right to keep her around, but there might be some areas you could do better in. One book that will help you understand is “48 laws of power”, the audiobook is on you tube but I suggest getting the book and studying it.

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      • This, plus her own insecurity. These are big shit tests. You want to respond firmly that you’ve explained yourself and apologized (if you did) and you’re done talking about it. You don’t want to hear any more of it.

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      • that is percisely how one would go about handling the situation if they wanted to be beta. you are handling it decently by turning the table but the shit test isnt about dealing with the past its her telling you that you are not being alpha enough or there is incongruity somewhere in your life. find it and these shit tests stop capitulate to it and ur out of a gf… ill also add that it might be too late, these shit tests could be a tell. she might be bringing them up because to assuage her guilt. its hard to say for sure from a post whats going on.

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      • “that is percisely how one would go about handling the situation if they wanted to be beta.”

        If he did something “wrong” (i.e. kissing another girl while in an exclusive relationship) he should acknowledge it and apologize for it. That’s not beta, it’s taking responsibility for one’s actions. Getting a text from an old gf isn’t doing anything wrong so of course he wouldn’t apologize.

        What I’m saying is that if he actually has done something wrong, he should apologize once and be done with it. He shouldn’t capitulate to her throwing it in his face all the time, which is a massive shit test to see if he will keep apologizing and supplicating and give her the upper hand.

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      • Good points. I almost always fail this shit test big time…I don’t buy any gifts or anything but I do do the whole ‘nah i care about you…through with her…’ blah blah nonsense.

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      • @anonymous your posts and advice are great. Thanks for your insights on my stuff.

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      • +1

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      • @anonYmous

        My now ex gf used to constantly bring up my OTHER ex gf who is in our social circle. We went away on a trip together just when my latest ex gf and I got together.

        She would always bring this up.

        I would say “She’s my friend” and leave it at that. That drove my last ex gf crazy. The idea I could be friends with my ex gf was clearly a foreign concept.

        Then she once asked: “Am I your ‘friend’? ” to which I replied:

        “no…you’re my lover”.

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    • I agree with Til. This just comes with the territory. She brings it up because it excites her. She will never admit it, she will never let on, but around the time she gives you shit about all of this — shortly after you guys will probably have some good sex.

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    • Own it and make her think it might be true. Use it to neg her. Start training her to give you head on demand.

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      • I would also just say “so?” But I never ever denied it or put my ex ex gf down.

        The “we’re friends” seemed to be the ultimate response…and it was true.

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    • Forget it, there is no way around this. When in a committed relationship, your woman will always find something in your past to bother you with. It’s a good sign, she cares about you and she is jealous and unsure of you. What you want more?

      Rather beware if this stops and she takes you granted – then you are in real trouble…

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    • Thanks all for the responses, definitely helpful.

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  11. on December 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm Flashing Lights

    “Game was the best way to persuade her that my feelings for her were genuine, because I knew that she would need that professionally administered seduction to be open to receiving my sincere message of love.”

    And this is why I, the naturally nice guy that I am with a good family upbringing, turned to “gaming” girls, after years of not being able to seal the deal with pretty girls who, at various times, did express interest.

    I show this blog to all of the “nice guy” friends I have that I think can handle/are ready for it. But for the most part they insist on forming relationships with girls based on “genuine” feelings.

    The result is I have no problems meeting, dating, and sustaining relationships with nice, attractive women. And my friends…. go out on dates with fatties they meet online.

    A sad, yet liberating, truth.

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    • “I show this blog to all of the “nice guy” friends I have that I think can handle/are ready for it. But for the most part they insist on forming relationships with girls based on “genuine” feelings. ”

      You do not want to do this man. You can develop a rep and it hurts you down the road.

      Real Gs move in silence like lasagna

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      • in this IG is correct.

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      • Yeah. I only have a select few IRL friends who are “red pill.” And we all know to keep tight-lipped about that shit because once you get a rep….well there goes your social proof.

        also, just be wary about ignoring “genuine” feelings. like, my dude, what is the point of banging these chicks if you honestly don’t like them that much? half of the enjoyment seems to come from the fact that you aren’t MAXIMUM “dark triad.” Ya, you can control yourself and act like a fucking grown man…but let’s not lose sight of the whole humans want love thing.

        having said all of that…I am kinda hibernating for the Winter. props to mah sarging bros like Hunter and IG who are still keeping it going in the cold.

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      • That was an insightful comment regarding the “genuine” feelings.

        Good on you for going thru all this and realizing that Scray. It seems that a lot of guys absorb the red pill and go past the point of no return. Shit, I knew a few PUAs like that in New York and they were not fun to interact with; real talk. The funny thing was they still wanted to show how much of a alpha they were but it got defeated when most interactions harped on them qualifying themselves on the amount of pussy they could get. Interesting.

        I also knew a couple instructors who understood red-pill theory, but took it a step further and were high-value social guys. They could AMOG if need be but they stressed the importance of befriending and spreading good vibes. That to me is where I want to be. The dude that is like a magnet of good feelings and emitter of positive emotions. Extra emphasis on understanding all of this but being able to operate with it and still be a good, socially vibrant human being is the most optimal play.

        Scray, if you’re going into player-hibernation then here are some inner-game resources that helped. I did the same shit from September-November so I know that feel

        1) http://www.amazon.com/Conversations-God-Uncommon-Dialogue-Book/dp/0399142789

        2) http://www.amazon.com/The-Six-Pillars-Self-Esteem-Definitive/dp/0553374397

        3) http://www.amazon.com/Models-Attract-Women-Through-Honesty-ebook/dp/B005EOTH24

        4) http://flirtisforum.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=862

        5) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0060YIBLK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0060YIBLK&linkCode=as2&tag=spacforrent-20

        Enjoy the winter bro, you deserve it.

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      • thanks for the resources, ill get around to at least one of them over the next month or so. ill still try to contribute wat i can. right now im just learning a lot about relationship dynamics (and chilling the fuck out)….so whatever observations or questions I have ill post.

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      • The problem with feelings is that none of them are ‘genuine’. They are all transitory and subject to situational bias. After taking the red pill, it requires willful self-deception to have feelings for a woman that we all know is cold and calculating. Therein lies the fun. Just enough delusion to suspend belief and enjoy it, but not enough to succumb to its false promises.

        Dude, how do you hang it up for winter when all the chicks who go out in this weather are looking for D?

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      • if there’s a chemical reaction that elicits a behavioral response, that’s “genuine” enough for me. there’s nothing more genuine than that. i don’t agree that women are cold and calculating (or even that conscious of what they are doing). I should say that ya certain types of women are cold and calculating, but I mean…..they are pretty easy to screen.

        also….two chicks is enough for me. i care about them.
        like, more than one or two is kinda just too much for me. sorry dudebros. i like being able to bond and share a connection…not really into boning chicks I don’t like — esp now that ive done it. some people can do it, and good on them…im just not built like that. i guess im on the left side of the bell curve in that regard.

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      • What kind of reputation are we talking about here? You really think 5 betas are going to make any difference? Are you honest in your everyday life? Then who cares about the opinion of a bunch of castrated males, quit thinking about your reputation like girls.

        If anything, these guys will bring you MORE girls.

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  12. “The wild-eyed feminist reader shrieks, “That’s manipulation!””

    This is also exactly what feminists and King A do when confronted with logic/questions that they can’t answer. “uhhh, ummm–why are you being so MEAAAN?? You didn’t used to be so rude, why are you mad at meeee? 😦 Why do you hate women? You’re being a mysogynist!” and next thing you know you’re too busy defending your shit and being side-tracked to remember that you were calling them out on their bullshit. And they do it because it WORKS.

    King A’s version looks more like “Infidel! That you would even pontificate that your meager intellectual capacity was capable of discussing this subject only belies your own ignorant self-delusion!”, times like 300 paragraphs, with random scripture quotes mixed in lol

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    • They attack you out of frustration. Only when they let go of their egos, hate, and literary self-love will they see that the advice you offer is solid top-level stuff:

      King A – The Last Samurai:

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    • I admit, I do like to see your little gears grinding to a halt on occasion, rather than the usual screech and stench of them seizing up when overworked and underlubed.

      You got any insecurities other than the one about your “meager intellectual capacity” you want to get off your chest? The doctor is in.

      We can begin with your pot-kettle remark about “300 paragraphs.” How you sad clueless alphaoids do tell on yourselves.

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      • lol. Matthew King – Too many mind:

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      • Thank-you for demonstrating exactly what I said lol

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      • Talk about “evading the tough questioning.” This is one millimeter above making faces and “I know you are but what am I.” Spoken in fluent bitchese, no accent. Sounds like a native language.

        But you’re the guru of game. “Alpha” in all ways except your behavior among men. It’s like you can’t help pulling the thread that is unraveling your costume.

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      • YaReally is a pissant who suffers from special snow flake syndrome. He thinks he’s so smooth that he knows how EVERY one of the husbands he’s cuckolded is going to react towards him, furthermore hes arrogant enough to think that he has such a golden tongue he’ll be able to talk himself out of it. Lastly he has an overinflated view of his own game, in his mind he thinks his game is so tight that he can walk into a beverly hills bar looking looking like a homeless person and still score. If I’m going to follow anyones advice I’ll use Nigelbiggame at least his shits believable.

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      • and posts like yours reinforce his frame.

        you do get that right?

        lol.

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      • Settle down honey the grown ups are trying to have a conversation. When I need your badass sigma whale sarcasm I’ll take my dick out of your mouth alright.

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      • That was the most well worded admission of jealousy rage I have ever witnessed here at the CH, oogaboogaman.
        You ought to stand up and take a bow.

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      • YaReally has offered credible advice on this site to tons of real life situations and helped many men in the process. What value are you adding?

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      • lol figured this was the Nigel guy trolling again.

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      • i think nigel is kinda funny.

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      • Ohh wee patriarch u tryin white knight for mr alpha god himself yareally, maybe he’ll ride ur beta orbiter bungholez outta pity. Imma humble man so ill let ur anus bow before my cockaaa.

        Oh k mr aka heres the muhfuggin value im added to the chateau. It all goez back to ol whitey republican concept known as responsibilitiez to society. YaReally setting up himself up as a little bitch azz demigod leading his man child crusade of niggaz who need to have every muhfuggin interaction with a bitch explained to them play by play has now drifted into that shit called aiding and abetting adultiriez. Now normally a hard ass nigga like me wouldn’t give a flying muhfuk about dis bitch nigga, but if i have to listen to another bitch session like da scray affair boo hoo i gotta single momma hoe miscarriage dere gonna be a 187 in this bitch.

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      • OogaBoogaman,
        I’m white knighting you from yourself.
        If you find a flaw in YaReallys method then tell him.
        Don’t be a rhetorical little snark, that’s how women argue.

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      • Except dis time poor mufuggin puppyboy darkhorse is gunna be bitchin every post for a week pollutin up da webpage about how some angry hubby cut his dick off and how that shouldna happened bcuz mr god king yareally told him that the husband aint gonna do sheeit. So unless your dumbass wants to c one of yareallyz man childz fuck ups on here everypost keep suckin dat niggaz dic.

        ooga muhfugin booga bitch ass niggaz

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      • Ok patriarch goo goo ga ga speech off. I happen to believe in a little ol concept called bros b4 hoes and I loathe those who aid and participate in adultery. Heartiste, gbfm, and alot of peeps on this site bitch about the decline of marriage and western civilization well guess who’s abetting that behavior? Secondly, yareally is leading an army of man childz if you have to ask how to fuck an adulterous slut whose already made clear she wants to screw your not ready for an affair. Third homeboy offers out dangerous advice that because in his experience some husband didn’t try to kill him some other cucked hubby wont blow a hole in darkhorse. Lastly, I don’t want to have to read a million posts relating to boo hoo i got a married women pregnant, her husbands hired a hitman wut do i do. ooga booga goo goo ga ga

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      • I can almost guarantee that won’t happen. Our society is so watered down I’d be impressed if the husband even threw a punch if he caught them.

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      • YaReally is the truth.

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      • Ok darkhorse muhfuggin examination time. hav u thought the consequenz of ur little sexcapade with ms married hoe out. Wut u gonna do if u knock ms hot2trot up and then all of a sudden decides she all religous and she aint gettin no abortion. wut u gunna do if hubby a gorilla pimp and he aint gonna let u talk ur way outta shit? now if u still gotta conscience, how would u feel if ur bitch was two timing u? now dont give me sum special snowflake bullshit like yareally wer ur game too tight and u too alpha cuz the expression familiaritize breedz contemptz apply hardcore to married hoes. How u gonna feel if one day u gotta son whose trifflin ass wife decides to burn him u gonna call him a beta schlub who aint alpha sigma wutever da fuck enough. also u do da deed and u feel all bad and mopey dont be comin round here expectin niggaz to hold ur hand and kiss ur boo i got my own problemz i hustle for a living. Last jack sprat hoe instead of following round yareallz ass like a puppy lookin for advice bout bein secret

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      • Oogaboogaman,

        What do you get from spelling words incorrectly and mangling the language?

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      • society try to pretend u jason bourne o sum sheeit. ooga booga nigga goo gaga

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      • Canadian Friend,

        When your talking to ammoral children about morality, societal responsibility, consequences of their actions, or creating a cult of personality around irresponsible immoral individuals u don’t use big boy talk like quoting scriptures, philosophy, or history to them that makes u look like mr fuddy duddy. When dealing with immoral children u have to use goo goo ooga booga negroid talk to get ur point across sumptin like gbfm. u and i being big boys can use big boy white man talk with eachother.

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      • Uh oh….Matt has been cornered.

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    • There’s no reason why you and Matt can’t get along except faux-masculine pride. You’re singing off the same hymn sheet. Devolving into petty bitchy sniping is for the women. You are tearing me apart, you guys.

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      • Broheim, he calls out my name in threads I have not commented on and have nothing to do with. My replies are maintenance. Like cleaning gutters.

        What’s more, he refers to me by a retired handle, as though my ghost haunts him when I’m not around, like an old flame who broke up with him long ago that he still hasn’t quite gotten over.

        Matt

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    • I thought I was the only one reading the story above imagining him. He hates you, because it’s accurate.

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  13. My friend taught me a line that I like, “Darling, if I knew before we started dating that I was going to have to answer questions like that, I wouldn’t be here right now.”

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  14. Also try: “Why would you ask me that?” Or “I think it sucks that you would ask me a question looking for a fight.”

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  15. No trolling, just curious… Why in hell would a woman move far away if she was madly in love?

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    • women don’t have the capacity for love, only meeting their needs. her need was somewhere else.

      quicker we come up to speed on this as men, the quicker we can get what wewant….

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      • What study shows you that women don’t have the capacity for love? Proof, please. Because every study out there shows that both sexes can produce phenylethelamine at the sight and thought of the object of their affections, and can empathize with a spouse as if what happened to him/her happened to themselves.

        Love is a strong psychological drive, imprinted in our DNA for good reason. It held couples together, giving them higher survival value, and making sure their children got a good start in life. It is very basic evolutionary psychology. This was especially true in colder climates where you couldn’t take the “spray and pray” attitude more common in Africa, where children running around fatherless was often the norm, being raised only by their mothers and – just barely – by the village at large while the men amused themselves.

        This “women can’t love, only men can” idea comes from manosphere writing taken to an extreme simply for the purpose of feeling morally superior to the women who won’t give you the time of day. It starts with “hypergamy” as an answer to the accusation of polygamy. Then “hypergamy” is taken to mean that women are at all times looking for a richer man. Which is just as much nonsense as the claim that men would constantly be looking for a better woman than their wife to move in with.

        Though I hear that cold attitude toward relationships actually is true for most people in the ghetto…. So people aren’t all the same after all.

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      • moron. for xmas you can get me the following:

        admit your mother/sister(s) are likely whores too. break your Madonna/whore hangup. thats the only way you are gonna get past your whiteknighting/pedestalizing brother.

        im not being a dick, i just hate to see you go to seed.

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      • women being hypergamous ‘whores’ has nothing to do with whether they can feel love. maybe it’s conditional love, but ya…it’s love. the madonna/whore thing is for guys who absolutely must must must must marry a virgin who has been unsullied by anyone or anything at all in the worldz.

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      • lol @ using r/K to justify adolescent beliefs. normally i’d tell ya that Democratic Underground or DailyCos is <<< that way, but you sound actually like a broad.

        ask yourself honey (if you can bear to really look at your self) how many women can realign their values far enough to jump on a grenade for her friends? how many men would?

        now, men have feminized themselves or allowed themselves to be feminized (the blue pill) to conflate SOME male traits with the imperative just far enough to sooth their souls and tell themselves what you have here. typical transference. because a man can act amoral and self centered (like a woman) and simultaneously have some sense of fraternity, that gets transferred to the fairer sex.

        it's an ego trick designed for self preservation. but its just a trick.

        go read Berne. but you won't will you? hurts too much.

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      • lol self-sacrifice is a quality held by few people in the general populace. but let’s just assume what you say is true — you’re just moving the goal posts on what can and cannot constitute love. a woman will never love a man the way in which a man loves a woman. so what.

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  16. In a way, the question (did you use game on me) is fatuous: no man ever achieved anything with any woman, without using game.
    (There might be a few exceptions … such as paying for it.)
    The question should have been: did you CONSCIOUSLY use game?

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    • lol huh. I mean if you stretch the definition to cover “all acts that consist of anything other than curling into a fetal position in front of a woman,” then sure. But there are many men who never use game (or any significant game) with their partners. These are men who are just better looking (usually significantly) than their women.

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    • Game is to men what makeup is to women. But they are being hypocrites about it.

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  17. No heterosexual woman routinely gives direct answers to direct questions. Ask her a question that might possibly be construed as somehow being the least bit personal, and the first thing she’ll do is try to figure out what it is that you’re really, way down deep inside, trying to find out. That’s the question she’ll address. Even to that unspoken question she won’t give you a clear, concise, direct, manly answer. Her response will be more like an opening gambit than an exchange of information. And if you respond in kind she’ll savor it. That’s how her mind works, and she welcomes it in others.

    So CH answered his past lover’s question as a woman would answer, giving her a little of what he knew she really wanted. Not mind-to-mind so much as soul-to-soul. On the surface, to a man, it sounds evasive. It was the opposite.

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  18. Just wondering, wouldn’t explaining how she was different now than when you met her a more difficult question to answer than the one she originally asked? I believe that when she said ‘I mean did you say things that would make me fall for you? Were your feelings real?’ you could have skipped the rest and just fucked her by the river right there.

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  19. Recently while showering with a girl.

    Her: I really like you.
    Me: Thanks (cocky face)
    Her: OK!? this is that moment where you’re supposed to say to you like me back.
    Me: I think you are… sorta not so bad, I guess

    She looked a tad miffed in that moment not getting exactly what she wanted, I followed it by landed a big on on her lips, pulling her into the shower spray. She started giggling.

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  20. I went to the CH vault, blew the dust off the cover, and read this again to refresh my memory:

    16 Commandments of Poon

    VI. Keep her guessing

    True to their inscrutable natures, women ask questions they don’t really want direct answers to. Woe be the man who plays it straight — his fate is the suffering of the beta. Evade, tease, obfuscate. She thrives when she has to imagine what you’re thinking about her, and withers when she knows exactly how you feel. A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security. In the same manner, when she has displeased you, punish swiftly, but when she has done you right, reward slowly. Reward her good behavior intermittently and unpredictably and she will never tire of working hard to please you.

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    • on December 18, 2013 at 9:21 am The Burninator

      A better way is to be so hard and direct that it stops her in her tracks from ever wanting to question you further on anything “of importance to her” aka fluff crap meant to draw you into a fight or into her frame.

      Here’s a quick conversation to demonstrate (I’ve had this conversation with women before, so it’s from experience):

      Her: “Does this dress make my ass look fat?”
      Me: “Yes. Change it.”
      Her: “You jerk!” (stomps off, but changes the dress to please you)

      Never waver, ever, in doing this (after the relationship is established) and it creates the same effect without causing you to have to stoop to cheap manipulation and dodging questions. Why? Because she’s afraid you’ll answer direct to her manipulative questions, ergo she won’t ask since the whole point of her manipulation is to reel you back into her frame, thus she is kept in perpetual mystery. And, you get to not only keep your ballsack, it grows exponentially in her eyes since she knows to expect nothing but the harsh unflattering truth from you AND she has no clue how to drag you into her frame and get you to play on her terms. As an added bonus she now thinks you’re brutally honest to a fault and will invest a very deep trust in everything you say, which plays heavily to your advantage.

      Women learn early on not to ask me a direct yes/no question, for they will receive a direct unvarnished yes/no answer, and that’s the last thing they want. What they want is for you to wiggle and giggle and enter their frame. Fuck that. My frame prevails, you’re either in it with me or you’re gone and I’m on to the Next. The king does not haggle with his subjects.

      Goofy obfuscation, teasing and evasion are fine and even recommended for flirting on the initial contact(s), once an actual relationship is established they become little more than psychological game playing that does NOT result in sex so much as they result in fights as she wishes most of the time. Evading the questions and obfuscation is HER natural language, and when you do it she sees it immediately. Without the haze of “he’s dreamy” at the beginning of your interaction with her that keeps her basically blind to manipulation she sees clearly what you’re doing and marks it down in her mental log file in order to throw it back in your face in some future scuffle. Homey shouldn’t play dat. Drama drama drama, who has time for that shit?

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  21. This is good advice on how to answer women before you bone them.

    I really don’t care what I say to a woman AFTER I’ve boned her. I actually become more alpha after I seal the deal.

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  22. on December 17, 2013 at 5:13 pm cultural marxist

    Men will lose respect for you if you evade questions, women however, WANT you to not take their babble serious.

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  23. Her: Were your feelings real?
    Me : Perception is reality.

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  24. Reminds me of this quote:

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  25. Funny that, if any of you become real alphas and raise your own children one day whenever that may be, cads will be using your own game advice against your daughters all the way to the bang, no matter how well protected you think they might be, they will still be women and more masculine and horny ones at that, being the daughters of alpha men.

    Anyway, the fact that you give your game advice and related information away for free is disconcerting… worrying even, what is wrong with you??

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    • Totally disagree. Life is a highly chaotic system and too much can happen from here to there. Human fight to fill the top role on Earth. We must progress. Seduction skills in a decadent postcivilized world are constructive management skills in a civilized world of patriarchy. Savages can use the terminology, but understanding the theory and being able to apply it requires the philosophical intellect. Empowering men at large like that is the solution.

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    • gay

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    • Wanna make money online ?
      dont-be-a-hater.org must a good start

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    • Lol. So no kids in the future for you.

      Why is your future daughter’s sexual past bothering you? I am sure you can game out of this problem.

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    • Ch has already stated that he doesn’t want kids.
      I guess that most cads don’t either.

      The wages of sin is death etc…

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    • Funny that, if any of you become real alphas and raise your own children one day whenever that may be, cads will be using your own game advice against your daughters all the way to the bang, no matter how well protected you think they might be, they will still be women and more masculine and horny ones at that, being the daughters of alpha men.

      Bad play of the empathy card, brother.

      Game is a tool, like a surgeon’s scalpel. It can be used to repair hearts or slash necks. It can exploit the innocent or save a soul. A car can be directed into vehicular homicide — shall we not teach our sons how to drive? Shall we keep them ignorant of the very existence of automobiles? Game is the practical program for learning how to dominate the weaker sex again, narrowly applied to “pick up.”

      The ends — moral and immoral — are a separate matter from the means. But the enemy in the era to which we were born is immoral, savage, implacable. To focus on the morality of specific means (jus in bello) rather than ultimate ends (jus ad bellam) is to play directly into the enemy’s amoral hands.

      Or plainly put, your daughter’s virtue is your own duty, not the legion of cads’. With all you observe here about the cads’ designs, you should quite easily be able to inculcate a counterstrategy in your daughters.

      All of the braggadocio about women being irreducible sluts is locker room talk: their sample draws primarily from a pool of damaged daddyless girls at the margins — which, admittedly, are thicker on the ground today than ever. Game exploitation is based on crude extrapolation: because I go where the depraved, abused, defenseless, and aggressively sexual women congregate, it seems that every girl must be that way in her nature. It’s the problem of mistaking anecdote for data. To have experiences with even 10,000 women would be a lasting world record for any individual player, but it is a fraction of a fraction of 100,000,000, not to say 3,500,000,000. Moreover, cultures vary from region to region, even county to county. There are as many different levels of support for female virtue as there are communities in this country and in the world. Only the provincial left claims there to be a monoculture that reflects their suicidal nihilism.

      If you are a beta father, you have reason to worry. If you have seen game at work, on the other hand, then you are best positioned to fashion in your children a psychological defense. All hyperbolic claims of players notwithstanding, it’s not an impossible or even monumental task to ready your girls to survive their sexual prime. It mainly requires awareness of the sexual marketplace. And cojones. Which, again admittedly, are in shorter supply than ever. Are they in short supply in you? Are you a man, daddy? Or another mommy?

      The father has the advantage of being the masculine archetype to his girls for a decade before they are even sexually aware, and an additional decade after while they are adjusting to their sudden dangerous new powers. It’s like having ten years to build containment for a nuclear generator that will inevitably come online, and then ten more to test it for flaws — before handing it off to a man who is subject to your scrutiny and approval. It’s hard to fuck it up unless you are a complete pussy or total derelict.

      Matt

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      • I like what this guy “Tomasz Witkowski” has to say – in line with MK:

        http://www.tomaszwitkowski.pl/attachments/File/1531-Psychomanipulation_EN.pdf

        Psychomanipulation
        Recognizing & Dealing With It

        ‘The truth of the matter is that, contrary to many unfounded beliefs, manipulation has existed for as long as people have tried to influence one another. Even in the Book of Genesis in the Old Testament we can find numerous examples of manipulation, for example the temptation of Eve, the low self-esteem of Cain, the action of Lot’s daughters, Jacob’s stolen blessing. A classic authority on this subject is Aristotle’s “Rhetorics”.’

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      • Looks great, it’s exactly the kind of thing I’ve become attuned to in the last year, a real understanding of it comes with life experience of seeing it play out.

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      • I did not realise I was playing the sympathy card, or any at all. Anyway, in no way was I trying to imply that my daughter’s virtue was the duty of others.

        I pointed something out that men with at least some pride, if not honour or integrity, would find unsavoury. If they don’t then that’s too bad for them. In fact it would make it easier to have my genetics perpetuated down the line, not that I would even want my male descendants partaking in relations with inferior women that, as nature would have it, dilutes their seed and makes them unable to properly father their children since that would involve committing to unsuitable women.
        You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want, as they say. Not a moral statement but a logical conclusion.

        For once I’ve been able to cohesively comprehend what you’ve written Matt and I agree with most of it about Game being a tool like many other things (I have always used the knife analogy myself). And about anecdotes being extrapolated onto the whole of female nature.
        However, would you not be careful to whom you give knives, swords and other weapons?
        Furthermore, Game is not just about success with women- it underlies all social interactions including business and parenting. I’m sure you know this.

        Since it’s been mentioned, I’ll state that I’m not a brother and I don’t have any children myself, I’m a female (on the right side of 21- just to clarify I don’t post on Game websites because of being a used up old used up spinster who has only just started reflecting on the mechanics of life after the death of my 30 cats).But somehow I still find what you said about being a good father useful.

        Anyway guys thanks for all this free, widely available, anonymous Game stuff. It really helps mentally articulate implicit truths, elucidates human nature and keeps in check any lunacy of unseasonable optimism in humanity whether that be on the part of men or women.

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      • I did not realise I was playing the sympathy card… I pointed something out that men with at least some pride, if not honour or integrity, would find unsavoury.

        You played on their empathy about their own future daughters in an attempt to arouse the “pride … honor … integrity” you mention above. To wit:

        if any of you become real alphas and raise your own children one day whenever that may be, cads will be using your own game advice against your daughters

        And of course it is “unsavory.” All abuse of a good thing is bad news. But you are going at the problem from the wrong direction. “[W]ould you not be careful to whom you give knives, swords and other weapons?” Not in the least. I am a Second Amendment radical. You are either European or Canadian, by the evidence of your superfluous U’s and transposition of S’s for Z’s (zeds). You do not create peace by unilateral disarmament. Rather — and this is something your country has never quite grasped — you create peace through strength and mutually assured destruction.

        If we have a generation of men without the character to use weapons for proper ends, we have bigger problems than preserving the virtue of bourgeois babies. And the larger point remains: training a young girl in self-defense — whether that is teaching her how to use a pink-steel Lady Colt or imbuing her with the sense not to hang her pussy out — is not rocket surgery.

        Here’s the dirty little secret: a girl without the capacity to contain her hypergamy is not a happy girl. They want a man to save her from herself, from that destructive little bitch resident inside every woman’s breast. That’s why they yearn for Daddy. That’s why it matters to have a strong pop. He will be the model against which she will judge all of these twerpy, skinny-armed “players,” and find them wanting.

        And by the way, announce that you are female when you’re writing like a man. It changes the whole dynamic. For instance, I would have appealed to your own erotic paternalism and perhaps you would have grasped it the first time around.

        Matt

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      • No, I wouldn’t have grasped it since I don’t have erotic paternalism.
        I don’t even think father figures are the highest standard to which a woman can hold men, that can be whatever standard she deems good enough for her, although a father should help her from his viewpoint and understanding of life just as he should help his son.
        Of course I know about the dirty little secret.

        Appeal to one’s own pride is not an empathy card. I thought I made it clear I was not appealing to honor or integrity.
        I knew people would guess I am a Brit. I only stated I’m female to clarify things that had already been mentioned. Otherwise… it changes the dynamic.

        btw, nice straw man on the ‘bourgeoisie’ babies.

        I asked “[W]ould you not be careful to whom you give knives, swords and other weapons?

        and you answered:
        “Not in the least.”
        Considering that and the rest of your paragraph I’m concluding that you’re beyond reason and since neither of us are obliged to respond I think I’ll leave it at that.

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      • Eros means “longing.” Erotic paternalism is a yearning for parents. Every child has it.

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  26. Intimacy with a woman? That’s what lots of these comments entertain. There is only husbandry of a woman. Intimacy requires love, and only men love. Platonic love and sexual lust: keep it straight.

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    • “Faith beyond the axiomatic is corruption; morality is social reciprocity and has limited scope.”

      Well said.

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    • “Only men love”? LOL The male version of feminism. Oh, those evil women, they only want men for their money! Well, if it makes you feel better believing that, as a way to comfort yourself when you can’t find a girlfriend….

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      • lol. chick for sure.

        “Oh, those evil women, they only want men for their money!”

        he never said evil, sweetie. you did. hahaha.

        “Well, if it makes you feel better believing that, as a way to comfort yourself when you can’t find a girlfriend….”

        then shaming? really?

        protip for the logic/INTJ girls: your may girlfriends tell you that you are so logical you could be a guy…. but lean in close and lemme whisper “you can’t hide from your estrogen baby girl” lolol.

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      • This is an issue of semantics.

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  27. Mr. heartiste taught me to become more alive and evil. Good job!

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  28. test

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  29. schizophrenia sucks

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  30. on December 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

    >> the fact that you give your game advice and related information away for free is disconcerting

    …so where ==is== this pile of bank-deposit slips you’ve got from SELLING admission to your own website?

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  31. When in-doubt, be John Robie to her Francie Stevens, in the conversational spirit of “To Catch A Thief”.

    -John Michael Hayes, Alec Coppel and David Dodge knew a thing or two about women, man.

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  32. Interesting story, and well handled with much insight by the writer.

    Her: Did you use game on me?

    Me: (momentarily rattled) What do you mean?

    Her: I mean did you say things that would make me fall for you? Were your feelings real?

    I would have been tempted to delve into the truth of the matter, not a good thing. I would have liked to counter with: Did she use perfume to smell better and mask her real smell? Did she use high heels to get a more shapely ass and longer legs? Did she smile more than she would have if she wasn’t trying to catch a boyfriend? Did she dress in order to seduce, rather than in the most comfortable way? Did she stop herself from rambling on because even though she would like to talk more about herself, she wanted to be nice to her date? Then she also used game.

    We always try to look our best. That is to say, make our value look higher. When men do it to women they want to date, that is “game”. But it is done in every form of interaction.

    “Sit up straight!” “Chew with your mouth closed!” That is your parents making you look better. Same thing.

    The threshold would be if you state outright lies about yourself, rather than making what you already have look good.

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  33. What would happen if you said “Yes you dumb emotional bitch! I DID use game on you! I’ve used it the whole fucking time!”, and then you gave her a step by step blue-print detailing her exact psychosexual profile?

    She won’t admit it for sure, she will probably rationalize it into some easily digestible horseshit that her brain can play around with so she doesn’t go crazy.

    Is it possible to destroy a chick’s rationalization hamster and expose her for the hypergamous alpha fucking beta bucking whore that she is? Would a woman be able to learn and take lessons from such a reveal?

    Or will “chick reality” quickly set in?

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  34. […] This one time, in gigolo camp… I’d like to relay a conversation I had with a past lover who asked a very pointed question as we were strolling along a riverbank (yes, really!  […]

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  35. Off topic – Man asked to submit to wife’s every demand but study cancelled after wife becomes insufferable bitch and man becomes depressed: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10524035/Happy-marriage-study-abandoned-as-husband-becomes-depressed.html

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  36. ‘Game you? Of course I did’ – is surely the correct answer whether true or not.

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  37. on December 18, 2013 at 5:08 am The Burninator

    ma·nip·u·late
    [muh-nip-yuh-leyt] Show IPA
    verb (used with object), ma·nip·u·lat·ed, ma·nip·u·lat·ing.
    1. to manage or influence skillfully, especially in an unfair manner: to manipulate people’s feelings.

    In fact you did manipulate her CH, manipulation does not require a component of lying in order to be manipulation. For example, if you accidentally run over your daughter’s puppy dog I can guarantee you that she will then be able to manipulate you for quite a long time to get what she wants without ever uttering a lie.

    “Why won’t you get me a gerbil daddy, I miss Fido so much daddy, please let me get this gerbil”.

    Evasiveness in order to direct her to an outcome contrary to her intended goal is quite clearly “managing or influencing her skillfully”.

    That said, big whoop, there’s nothing wrong with what you did per se, though personally I would have went the more direct route. That is, your last paragraph, I would have just said that to her in a way that flattered her and made her feel a bit like a special snowflake, and all would have been right with the world.

    “Yeah baby, well, the thing is when I first met you I really wanted to get to know you better and thought that throwing in a bit of game would up my odds of making that happen. You were worth it, and hey, you didn’t seem to mind. *wink*”

    Or something like that, basically everything you said in your blurb was covered by that. Just by her asking it’s already clear that its on her mind and that she basically knows what you did, she’s just letting you know that she knows. Women are masters of manipulation and I guarantee you that she easily saw through your evasiveness and even if she remained silent and accepted it she still noted it in her mental log file for use later against you. Put her in giggle happy mode with a bit of directness coated with a compliment, then drop it would have been my path on that. If you keep compliments rare, as you should, it would put her on cloud nine and then the question never comes up again.

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  38. Easy answer: Use military acronyms and sports analogies.

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    • Or…thinking further…tell her you’ll explain it but you’ll meet her later, a few paces northwest of the red X (and hand her a map).

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  39. Fine blonde filigree hairlets over their tits= Hello, I think I luv yu.

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  40. @Yareally

    Two questions for you.

    1) Girl from prior FR (not the married chick) is being really sexual before our planned meet up. Apparently her ASD is gone. Drunk texted me that she wouldn’t mind it if I ripped her panties off on the next date. Then she asked to see me same night. Told her had plans. She responded that it’s cool but that next time I should slip my current woman sleeping pills and sneak off to see her. So clearly this one correctly thinks I have a primary girl I’m banging, and also isn’t saying she has a problem with it (at least on the surface). Thoughts on this? Is girl firmly ensconced within the “this is just for fun” frame, or slightly poking at the frame to get a reaction and see if she get intelligence on where she stands?

    2) Also went out and met a cocktail waitress on her day off. Solid 9. Mentioned a lounge that was pretty cool in conversation, and she said she wanted to go. Didn’t pick up on the fact that it was an invitation to ask her for her number. She had to mention that she wanted to go to the lounge we were discussing again until I put two and two together lol. OK, phone comes out, number obtained. I punched in her first name, she takes the phone and fills in her last name, asks if I’m on Facebook, asks me to add her too. I’m not going to, but I will text. Curious what your take is for girls who give out full contact info (full name plus email, Facebook, etc). Imagine it means “look me up”. In the past month a couple of girls have done this, one being a former Playboy model, another clearly married. Wondering if you attribute any significance to a woman giving you more contact information that you really need.

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  41. I just would have answered:

    “You slept with me didn’t you?”

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  42. Her: Did you use game on me?

    Me: (deadpan)…Sure.

    Her: Were your feelings real?

    Me: I guess.

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  43. “Game” is the new alcohol – women looking for a reason to blame anything other than themselves for what they do and who they do it with. I am no one’s poster-boy for anything good – I am out for myself. I enjoy women for what they do for me, and provide to me. So I use them hard, and they love every second of it. Of course, after the roller-coaster ride is over, and they have used up their E-ticket, they go back to their A and B rides and can’t keep from thinking of the thrills they got and they want them again – but don’t want to admit that simple fact.

    So they start to look for anything to blame other than the things that they wanted. This really becomes obvious if they were involved in a boyfriend or hubby and I was on the side. They can’t get it out of their head – so they can’t believe they did it once, and will do it again – so it MUST be someone else’s fault… It must be something YOU did to them…

    No ladies – you do it yourself, and to yourself. And those of us that understand that, will love every second of it, and bring it out in you… So if you feel bad about the things you’ve done – you need to look within, since you needed those things and want them again, and you will jump at the chance to get them…

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    • on December 18, 2013 at 7:26 am The Burninator

      I don’t disagree with your assessment of needing something to blame. Just a word of caution though, and one which I know precisely how you’ll answer.

      If you’re only out for yourself, that’s fine, but keep your words in mind when your fall comes, and it will, and you’re stranded in the gutter grasping for help.

      Might I suggest as an alternative that you continue to enjoy women as you will, but perhaps consider being for the re-establishment of manliness and men in society? Dancing on the deck of a sinking ship is fine for what its worth (which is what your statement amounts to), but if there are lifeboats still available that will allow us to survive and continue on to later grow and prosper in life, why not take one with your brothers in arms?

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      • I agree.

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      • when we usher in a new dark age, i’m all in with ya brother. until then…..what you propose is sacrifice, not a realignment of values. in your scenario there is only loss.

        not manly at all, Chachi. its stupid and wasteful and shows limited intellect and/or ability to engage your higher functioning. like why people hate liars, they are too stupid to either lie themselves or recognize when they are being lied to.

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      • So you suggest that deconstructive nihilism without a care for even the movement you came to learn from falling in its wake? That in and of itself is destructive to us as individuals in the long view. Also explain sacrifice? I recommended that he continue to use women as he will, which is his current course. He gives up nothing. Sacrifice is giving up a greater value for a lesser value. He gives up nothing in the “value” column whatsoever. I merely requested he help build more and better men in the process, in however a small or big a capacity as he can muster.

        Your new dark age, as you call it, will end up in the destruction of 99.9% of you ‘cad’ types, since you are focusing only on one aspect of manliness to the exclusion of all other aspects. Sure you get pussy, and so do I, but come the dark age I will survive, lead and prosper through strength of body and personality, where amoral, unconnected nihilistic ‘cads” will crawl into a cave with your last piece of ass and bang her until you both starve to death. I prefer that we remain as close to whole as possible should a fall come, in order that we may stand and fight the beta/omega hordes and their feminist masters.

        Gotta take the long view if you’re going to get ahead in life.

        “like why people hate liars, they are too stupid to either lie themselves or recognize when they are being lied to.”

        False scenario. There are other options, such as contempt at being asked to create whole new realities for the benefit of others, which is what lying is. It makes you a slave to others, since you must constantly adjust your view, vision and mind to conform to their needs for you to maintain the lie. I am a slave to no man and resent the very notion that I bow to their needs. As to being lied to, I find it insulting since it is somebody who has so little self respect that he’s willing to enslave himself to me without my even asking him to. Leave lying to the broads, it’s their natural language, but it also places them in the subordinate position precisely as I described.

        As I said earlier in the thread, the king does not haggle with the subjects.

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      • ever been in a war zone? shot at? i don’t think you have or unlikely even know one who has. on one hand it pisses you off a little, and on the other its exciting. in neither case though, is there an overarching philosophy until much later lol. previous beliefs run right out your head lol.

        all due respect, you sound well read and probably east coast educated, but you are bound by your philosophy of little adversity, few masculine life experiences, and the way “it should be”. a luxury to either men or “kings” (nice try though).

        you are fighting through your logic but failing, only able to amplify the narrow range of behaviors you possess. change the behavior, rule the system. or not, either way you are a slave to your identity.

        😉

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      • U.S. Army. Yes, I have in fact shot at others, and been shot at. I’m still here.

        “in neither case though, is there an overarching philosophy until much later ”

        Actually that’s factually incorrect on its face. Every group in history that formed to fight, whether for the power structure or against it, were bound by common goals by definition, even if those goals are as simple as “preserve our way of life, destroy them”. Wanting to create more men bound to manly virtues in accordance with our views before the shooting starts is only logical. Or do you presume our common enemy has no understanding of why they fight us tooth and nail every single day, and that come the “dark ages” we will simply wander around randomly shooting at random people for no particular reason except for shits and giggles? History doesn’t support that notion in the least, except in the cases of violent insane individuals, deranged serial killers and water tower campus snipers.

        The more men we can build up and strengthen and make back into actual men, the better our chances, hell everybody’s chances, of making it through any dark age. It’s really that simple.

        “but you are bound by your philosophy of little adversity”

        Ah, the Ward 6 argument Chekhov wrote about so nicely. It was a fun story insofar as it goes, but left me wanting a broader less perfectly tailored view.

        You assume much about me based on no experience with me in real life (East coast?! Few masculine experiences? heh). Since I’ve already detailed much of my growing up and current life on other threads, and you either haven’t seen it or bothered to read it if you did, I won’t bother you with the details as clearly you’re not interested. Just know, you’re dead wrong, since you assume based off of dusty old stereotypes (smart = effete ivory tower, no masculine experiences, probably wears pink shirts, etc). It seems on its face that in your world there does not exist a Kurt Vonnegut nor a Julius Caesar nor a C.S. Lewis (for the home reader; battle hardened, strong, masculine, very literate men). Your loss. Though to be fair, I can give you details if you ask, but I’m not going to belabor the point if you’re not interested.

        You’ve done nothing but throw out invective without explaining your views on why precisely I’m wrong. Taking random ad hominem shots in the dark in order to try and evoke an emotional response really doesn’t serve your argument well. You’re not debating with a woman, the rhetoric and framework of Pathos does not phase me. I understand that you do not do this out of some kind of acid hatred of course, but we can do better I’d think.

        “either way you are a slave to your identity.”

        One can only exist within oneself, aka your consciousness aka your identity. You either take responsibility for that, or you become a servant to others. You wrongly assume many things about me, create a fantasy straw man of your own devising, knock it down and then declare victory. But it is for nothing and I remain intact. I reject your nihilism.

        Look around the world. Time honestly is growing short, and there are advantages in numbers. Reject that as you wish and we can part amicably as I have no interest in helping those who do not wish to be helped.

        Slainte

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      • “You’ve done nothing but throw out invective without explaining your views on why precisely I’m wrong. Taking random ad hominem shots in the dark in order to try and evoke an emotional response really doesn’t serve your argument well. You’re not debating with a woman, the rhetoric and framework of Pathos does not phase me.”

        Before that you said:

        “Your new dark age, as you call it, will end up in the destruction of 99.9% of you ‘cad’ types, since you are focusing only on one aspect of manliness to the exclusion of all other aspects. Sure you get pussy, and so do I, but come the dark age I will survive, lead and prosper through strength of body and personality, where amoral, unconnected nihilistic ‘cads” will crawl into a cave with your last piece of ass and bang her until you both starve to death.”

        You see the incongruence? There’s a fundamental human aversion to those who create rules and morality for others to live by while giving themselves a pass. If your rules are right, live by them. If you want to spread them for the greater good – LIVE BY THEM. Alinsky is so effective in tearing things apart, as one of his rules is “make them live by their rules.” They gain adherents by pointing out the hypocrisy. This is one way society decays. Fuck your rules if you can’t live by them.

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      • on December 18, 2013 at 1:49 pm The Burninator

        “You see the incongruence? There’s a fundamental human aversion to those who create rules and morality for others to live by while giving themselves a pass. ”

        The confusion was caused by me, I used the word “you” after noting ‘cads’ in parenthesis, and it appeared at a certain angle like I was talking directly about Tilik um, when what I was unsuccessfully trying to convey was a more general impersonal “you” and not him in particular. I should have used “one” or “he” in all reality. For what its worth I was not intentionally launching into ad hominem on him, but it appears that way, so I apologize for the misunderstanding I caused through sloppy wording.

        Besides that, I believe my argument is coherent and sound, lacking any other grammatical errors on my part, heh.

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      • who is rejecting who, friend? i’m just suggesting your lofty aphorisms are painfully Gamma-esque and serve to segregate you from me, not vice versa.

        Leadership, like poosy, is a most pure when its stakeholders are chosen as a product of desire and not persuasion, and men tend to defer to the best equipped to solve for X, all other fancy words and bullshit aside.

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      • You’ve actually got it backwards. It’s up to the righteous, upstanding types to maintain progress in a society. When they fail, the ones with less righteous scruples take over, kill the infection, and claim the spoils. Usually, it’s the end of an empire, not a rebirth. Some other, better adapted empire rises to fill the void, and the old righteousness is recorded in history books.

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      • he’s having a tough time with reality. too many doomer porn movies where the white knight wins. just like the romantic comedies where the white knight wins, and dramas were……you understand.

        “you spin me round round baby right round like a record baby round round right round”……hahahaha

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      • It must be annoying for the feminists who “spy” on us here at the Chateau ( we know some of you can’t resist taking a peek or maybe you are looking for material for your next article?) that we men are not just thinking with our dicks, we are also worried about the future of Western Civilization and we have serious, deep even philosophical conversations about other things than pussy.

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      • Usually a case of way too much academic talking (regurgitating what they consume) and no action. The universe (and pussy) favors the bold, eh?

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      • on December 18, 2013 at 1:57 pm The Burninator

        Tilikum is incorrect. I’ve already answered that above.

        “Usually a case of way too much academic talking (regurgitating what they consume) and no action. The universe (and pussy) favors the bold, eh?”

        Heh, if you say so guy. If you have the patience to wade through threads I invite you to peruse what I’ve revealed about my personal history and current life.

        This is all neither here nor there though. Either you agree that we should be trying to help more “guys” become men, or you don’t. In any event the choice is yours, I’m simply making the suggestion.

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      • I did use “they” and “usually.” I don’t know anything about you, so it wasn’t personal, though I can see how it was taken that way. Albeit, on that topic, one tradition among “men” is to throw invective around heatedly. It’s sort of a shit-test we use, no? From the drill sergeant to “bros,” a good invective diatribe or even some light physicality is good for the cause, no? It’s like battle space preparation. It’s inside us. Maybe it fires up our testosterone like competitive sports. Maybe it gets us more women or at least more of the right kind. So I take “you cads are all gonna die in a cave in the apocalypse” as a personal challenge of my beliefs and respond accordingly. I think we’re all like that. We should embrace this vigorous exchange as an antidote to the political correctness of the enemy.

        So yes, I agree, we should fight for the right to be men. We’re all on the same side. I prefer guerrilla tactics and breaking their rules, maybe you prefer somethings else, but we can spar as men and achieve a common cause or lose to the enemy and fight over the scraps. I still disagree on your hypothetical outcome.

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  44. “Show me the study”, “where’s the study”, “all bow down to scientific science!”..

    Should I believe my eyes or p>0.05. What idiocy… what idiot…

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  45. A friend of mine used to say that it’s just not “hygienic” to admit certain things to women — and admitting to having used game certainly falls into that category. The stench would have filled the air and lingered throughout the day. And, let’s face it, we guys can handle foul smell much better than gals (probably some evolutionary thing).

    That’s a key question, then: how can we men maintain the cleanliness of the relationship when women are always trying to catch us off guard, trying to set the stink bomb (our mouth) off? I guess not falling into that trap has to become second nature for us.

    Whereas what women don’t understand is that we men aren’t usually trying to “hide” anything when we don’t give them a straight answer — we’re trying to protect THEM, our women, from the unbearable stenchiness of being.

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  46. You guys are way overthinking this. She doesn’t care if he gamed her. She’s really asking if he loved/cared about her. She knows the former doesn’t exclude the latter. We are ALWAYS trying to find out if you care about us. These (usually indirect) inquiries are the mother of all shit tests because we want a real answer, but not too much of one.

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    • I pretty much tell her I’m a robot and have no feelings, which turns to humor. Women don’t need love, they want to know if you’ll be around.

      When she gets withdrawn, food is the answer. Something like crab legs. Bringing home meat, cracking it open, stuffing it in her mouth with my fingers is primal. The look of adoration in her eyes is met with a smile and a wink.

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  47. I just wanna fuck.

    -Friedrich Nietzsche
    Twilight of the Idols

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  48. I should get of my fatass and get out looking for personal sighting of hamster. One exhilarating view

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  49. on December 18, 2013 at 10:55 am The Spirit Within

    OT

    English sociologists told a man to agree completely with his wife (who was unaware of the experiment). The sociologists were trying to test if it is better to be right or to be happy.

    The man’s quality of life dropped like a stone.

    Read for yourself. http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f7398

    The key sentence: “By day 12 the male participant found the female participant to be increasingly critical of everything he did.”

    Lesson: Don’t be your wife’s bitch, or she’ll walk all over you.

    Red pill.

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    • Never let a woman make family financial decisions either. She’ll drive her family into debt and blame the husband. ALWAYS.

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  50. I don’t care if men run game on me. It’s flattering, to know that he put some effort into trying to pick me up. It’s like CH always says, women dress nicely, stay in shape and behave like a woman in order to impress a man. Doesn’t it mean something to you when a woman dresses well for you? That she carefully selects her outfit, applies just the right amount of makeup, and does her hair just right?

    I know that this is going to start a chorus of “NO WOMEN DON’T KNOW WHAT GAME IS SHE COULDN’T POSSIBLY RECOGNIZE GAME WHEN SHE SAW IT” but I have interacted with men that I believed were running some kind of game. Kino- casually touching my arm, putting their arm around my shoulder, etc. One guy used a line surprisingly similar to one of Style’s routines in The Game. I didn’t actually notice it at the time, but when I reflected on the conversation later, I laughed when I realized how similar it was. I was intrigued, but I think he lost interest in talking to me because he left.

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  51. on December 18, 2013 at 3:31 pm Bernard M Baruch

    Of course you don’t admit to using game. In fact forget the word or idea of game is the wrong way to think about all of it.

    Five letter word, begins with P and mine is the biggest.

    Pride. Always have it.

    If you found a way to go for what you want and get it then be proud of yourself and don’t give an inch away on what a good man you are and what a good man that you know that you are. You certainly wouldn’t want to discuss this in depth with a target woman or give the game away so to speak unless you simply had infallible game, solid options and massive social proof. As well as truly not giving a shit about the girl in question. Unless you’re way above her league and just clearly getting what you want in all ways, expect her to double down on difficulty if you seriously admit or talk in depth about your game. If a woman asks you this question then likely shes either…

    A: become unsure or you and your game

    or

    B: is still sure about you and your game, may even be super sure and loves it, but thats all shes sure about so it better be real.

    either way you gotta keep up the game but don’t talk about it.

    Her: Did you use game on me?

    Me: huh?

    Her: I mean did you say things that would make me fall for you? Were your feelings real?

    Me: Ooooh, yeh….pretty sick guy eh? *Evil grin*

    end of conversation.

    Many times a woman has troubled herself and her man with the question….is he really sure, or just sure that i’m sure?

    No need to give fuel for the fire.

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  52. on December 18, 2013 at 3:42 pm Bernard M Baruch

    Game is only game if it doesn’t work or gets revealed for what it is…..otherwise it’s just you getting what you want. It’s just knowing you should get what you want.

    And if you do actually get it. You do actually know it. No need to introduce any confusion there.

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  53. I have a question. A girl I’m gaming online and have been going back and forth asks me: “Send me a list of what you will do to me when we meet up”.

    My response would be: “inspire me”.

    Any thoughts of anything better to maintain hand?

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    • “nah”

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    • “Send me a list of what you will do to me when we meet up”

      Blatant shit test.

      What are you, her activity planner?

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      • I replied with: “what would u do to keeps interest ”

        Her: what would U do to keep my interest?

        Me: …

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      • @walawala

        Um, in both these cases the girls were inviting you to sexualize. You got childish and punted. Go for the touchdown.

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      • @walalala

        There’s a difference between being a dominant guy women want to bang and being an insecure, confrontational dude who uses every interaction to try to one-up women, fearing they’re trying to get the better of him. Both of these guys seem like easy lays. You’re complicating shit. For chrissakes don’t listen to the guys whispering in your ear that she’s shit-testing you and congratulating you for walking away without getting in her panties.

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      • *correction….both of these “girls” lol. But honestly, the interaction was asexual enough that gender doesn’t really seem to matter. I’m guessing you’re in college or just out. You might try being more bold sexually in your dialogue and see how that works for you.

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      • @Darkhorse

        This girl i’m gaming online is clearly gaming me….so while it may seem she’s giving IOI’s….any girl who flips the script on a guy would be more trouble than she’s worth.

        It’s a red flag…

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  54. Her: I mean did you say things that would make me fall for you? Were your feelings real?

    Women constantly create false dichotomies – something like “Is snowing or is it Tuesday” – why can’t it be both? This is one reason you cannot talk to them as rational men.

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  55. http://dotroom.tumblr.com/post/68124043209/this-is-for-your-coffee

    “what happened to this? where are all the Men that guided women? of course i know, some cunt somewhere decided that this was abuse, that the kitchen is a jail, that obeying a Man was oppression. and the Men are pushed into Their silent corners where voicing Their opinions are looked down on. They are shamed for believing in the actions of this picture. so they trade an act of “oppression” for another. feminism is oppression.”

    Thought this was good to share on the blog.
    cheers

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