Dating Preferences Vs Options

Is assortative mating simply a function of convenience, i.e. mate proximity? There’s a lot of chatter on the blogs about how the college-educated are marrying others in their same educational and class bracket, and that this proves that men and women are selecting partners based on criteria such as intelligence and socioeconomic status. In other words, people are assortatively mating along education and SES lines because that’s what they prefer to do.

Here at the Chateau we make the bold claim that assortative mating doesn’t tell the whole story. The Ivy League grad who goes on to marry a plain jane Ivy Leaguer would, in fact, be a lot happier marrying a hot and sexy waitress with decent smarts. And that the marriage statistics don’t so much reveal preferences as they reveal restrictions imposed by lack of options. The CEO or IT entrepreneur doesn’t avoid marrying the hot waitress because she’s less intelligent or of lower social status, but because he simply doesn’t have the amount of social contact with her that would encourage meeting, dating and marrying.

Lo and behold, here is a study from the excellent Barking Up The Wrong Tree blog which lends credence to the Chateau view.

Marriage data show a strong degree of positive assortative mating along a variety of attributes. But since marriage is an equilibrium outcome, it is unclear whether positive sorting is the result of preferences rather than opportunities. We assess the relative importance of preferences and opportunities in dating behaviour, using unique data from a large commercial speed dating agency. While the speed dating design gives us a direct observation of individual preferences, the random allocation of participants across events generates an exogenous source of variation in opportunities and allows us to identify the role of opportunities separately from that of preferences. We find that both women and men equally value physical attributes, such as age and weight, and that there is positive sorting along age, height, and education. The role of individual preferences, however, is outplayed by that of opportunities. Along some attributes (such as occupation, height and smoking) opportunities explain almost all the estimated variation in demand. Along other attributes (such as age), the role of preferences is more substantial, but never dominant. Despite this, preferences have a part when we observe a match, i.e., when two individuals propose to one another.

What this is telling us is that educated men marry educated women not so much because they prefer education in itself as a mate quality, but because that’s what’s available to them. Ergo, smart men would prefer to date hotter but less educated girls but don’t because they don’t run in the same social circle. You have to meet the hottie community college grad before you can propose to her.

Individual preferences will always remain for men centered on women’s youth and beauty. Luckily for all the chunky college attending careerist femcunts, the men they marry don’t mingle very often with Hooters chicks. If they did, you’d see less assortative mating along SES metrics, and more along the natural preferences of men to date and marry PYTs irrelevant of their educational attainment. This theory also elegantly explains why so many American men settle for fat chicks — when 60% of the nation’s women are tub-a-lards, options are quite limited. And for a lot of desperate losers, sticking a dick in a wet, flabby, porcine hole beats celibacy.

Now you know why rich, geometrically-jawed snobs like Maria Shriver diligently work to surround their alpha male husbands with ugly mestizo housekeepers instead of uneducated but hot Russian au pairs. An aging upper class wife knows who her true competition is. Regrettably for the Shrivers of the world, even a sausage-y third world maid is ripe for the banging to a guy who’s been tapping the same depreciating pussy for years. Arnold’s case illustrates well how important convenience and opportunity can be to a guy on the lookout for strange.

So for all the lawyercunts who married lawyers and are proud of the fact: sugartits, you were just in the right place at the right time.

Viva romanticismo!





Comments


  1. As a lawyer I once had a blind date with one (and made my excuses after the first drink) and was asked out (!) by a second (who I admit was pretty hot) but I stood her up, – not sure why – so never date a lawyer.

    With dating, one has to cut one’s coat according to ones cloth.

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  2. on May 27, 2011 at 3:43 pm Basil Ransom

    How do you seduce sober dumb girls?

    If I can’t get a girl to put in 40%+ conversation fairly soon, I rapidly lose the will to continue. Plenty of girls will blame those silences on you, and not their sucky conversational skills.

    The overall point is correct, but the speed dating sample probably exaggerates it. “Sure, I’ll bang this dim cutie, maybe even for several months, but I won’t wife a junior college flunkie.”

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  3. It’s a truism that everyone is limited by their options.

    But in nature it’s almost always females that have more options & females are the ones that CHOOSE and males are the ones that COMPETE.

    That’s why males evolved antlers, plummage, songs, color, money, game, weapons, etc. to compete against other males and attract females.

    The CEO doesn’t get with the hot, trailer waitress because he doesn’t get the opportunity.

    The waitress on the other hand, doesn’t get with the CEO because she CHOOSES the motorcycle-riding bad boy.

    Look no further to rich guys’ trophy wives:

    their wives are nothing more than women who have finally settled down with a rich guy after having been de-flowered & pumped by a train of high school dropuout quarterback/juvenile delinquent/drug-dealer/wannabe rapper/McDonald’s employee guys.

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  4. on May 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    1. This shows the necessity of being able to do cold approaches. Having to rely on your social circle is death.

    2. To be fair, since marriage has become more about consumption than production, you aren’t going to want to stray too far from your own intelligence level. A big law/high finance type might not prefer to marry a hot waitress over another lawyer, but he might well prefer to marry a cute elementary school teacher or nurse.

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  5. on May 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    I’ve dated brain dead club girls before and found it an inordinate amount of work to bring myself down to their level.

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  6. on May 27, 2011 at 4:00 pm A. Nonny.mous

    I think social pressure amongst certain groups plays a role, much in the same way religions make people foreclose dating outside the religion.

    The SWPL brigade has feminism as one major plank of their “culture.” As such, SWPL men feel constrained to marry feminist women “regardless” of how they look, so that SWPL men, to please the group, marry less-than-ideal SWPL women but convince themselves that this is their “ideal” choice—-all the while having wet dreams about a bikini model.

    People will swallow a lot when it comes to religious beliefs. However, religious beliefs have a pay off—do this and receive eternal life. SWPLers, however, have a religion that has no payoff—do this and you won’t be ostracized (but you’ll still die and never exist, because we’re atheists).

    SWPLs=so sad and pathetic.

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  7. on May 27, 2011 at 4:01 pm Backdoor Man

    It’s simple, really. For a long-term LTR, you find a woman who meets your minimal standard for looks, and then you take a long and hard look at her other attributes. If your standard is a 7, and you find a 7 with all the other attributes you are looking for (feminine charm, common sense, a work ethic, etc.), you are unlikely to dump her for an 8 who lacks those things.

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  8. I think these men mostly are marrying the women they get along with the best. Since intelligence doesn’t seem to be much of a factor in women’s attractiveness to men, men of all levels find hot, but not very bright women appealing. For marriage though he might be better off with a nerdier, less sexy woman.

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  9. I think that a large portion of “game” involves putting yourself in the right place at the right time. Get a job somewhere you can meet lower class hotties.

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  10. Drop the populist pretense, the difference in classes is yawning.. too much to bear for marriage relationships. Sure, short termers are possible, but bear in mind that 10 years in that hot waitress is no longer hot. She has jowels, a gut and wrinkles + damage from child bearing. I hope you are friends with a plastic surgeon because married to stupid and ugly for 60 years? Ergo, marry amongst your own strata and someone bearable with whom you can bond very strongly and whose mother still looks good. Plus, the girl has an income and long term wealth preservation from her own family. Back in the day my family would shutter at the thought of marrying a prol. Classism is wisdom of the ages.. modern college is just that.. ivies are all families over 200k.

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  11. haartiste

    Is assortative mating simply a function of convenience, i.e. mate proximity?

    Marriage happens from proximity
    Typically, the workplace environment
    If a sexual harassment suit is overlooked
    – Or wherever one spends most of their time

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  12. And it is a certain cohort of women who want to diversity the workforce along gender lines. Fine, but don’t bitch when your husband fucks the chick in the corner office.

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  13. A big law/high finance type might not prefer to marry a hot waitress over another lawyer, but he might well prefer to marry a cute elementary school teacher or nurse.

    Nurses sound like a very feminine choice. But extramarital sex with doctors run wild among them.

    I know plenty of cases like that.

    I’d never marry a nurse.

    Settle for the teacher.

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  14. I’ve always thought that if I have children and have to worry about them going to college and the possibility of them meeting their future spouse there that I would do the follwoing:

    Son – I will do absolutely nothing to help him except for him to figure out how to navigate the in-state tuiton bureaucracy while slowly guiding him to study mechanical engineering/physics/math/econ-finance-accounting at an instate school that just happens to be female majority campus(yes, game is more important, but it still can help a lot – plus i’d be trying to figure out a way to teach him game). He’d thank me later.

    Daughter – do whatever the hell it takes for her to get into and finance a degree at Dartmouth, Cornell, or sending her to a school in Canada, Scandinavia, or the Netherlands full of tall and easily manipulated provider betas born and raised in a feminist coven and encouraging her to marry ASAP.

    Though after reading this site I’m not sure that’s the optimal strategy. What would be?

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  15. I think the key is finding the woman who will make you the LEAST crazy.

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  16. Rant Casey – BR

    I’d never marry a nurse.

    Settle for the teacher.

    Yep. SHE only fucks her students.

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  17. on May 27, 2011 at 5:04 pm Means of Production

    My father earned degrees from two Ivy League institutions. Fortunately for me he married my mother, who had a high school education, but the marriage was a disaster and ended in divorce. Total mismatch on the cultural/intellectual level. I don’t believe that Ivy necessarily requires Ivy to have an enduring marriage, but Ivy should probably at least have a college-educated and intellectually curious mate.

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  18. @ The Man Who Was I turn 50 next year, and am an honors graduate of an Ivy League University as well as a fairly highly-regarded law school. I am attorney, and consume news and intellectual issues of all types on a daily basis.

    Despite all of that, I have no problem at all chatting it up with 19 year olds, including those that no one would confuse even for community college material. Just last Friday night, I met a cute 25 YO Puerto Rican in a club on Latin night, and end up doggying her about two hours later. And we didn’t have much to say.

    Start listening to some hip hop, electronic dance music, newer rock bands, and dubstep, peruse TMZ here and there, and talk about sex like someone who’s had a lot of it before. Keep the drinks flowing, and have party favors on hand. If they’re brain dead, limit the conversation, let the music blare, and keep them naked as much as possible.

    You don’t fuck the brain, and girls who have a slow one generally don’t expect or want to spend much time chatting. Get it done – if I can, anyone can.

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  19. on May 27, 2011 at 5:17 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Dirk:

    I don’t dispute what you are saying, but in my opinion it only works when you’re both drinking a fair bit, you are going for the SNL, and if afterwards she’s more of a FB than a girlfriend.

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  20. on May 27, 2011 at 5:19 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Not that that is my kind of thing.

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  21. Even well-educated women aren’t intellectually curious. What do you guys talk to women about? If the answer is, “a lot,” then you’re not as smart as you think you are. Women simply aren’t interesting (other than as fun toys) to a brilliant man.

    I like dating poorer chicks. They think a few drinks is a nice date. My lawyer cunt friends would scoff at anything less than an $120 wine bar tab.

    I want to keep my money – which means staying away from the hyper-consumptive cunt that are “educated” chicks.

    Yes, all women spend like crazy. The more “cultured” a woman is, however, the greater her spending expectations.

    Date a poor chick. Control the finances. Hide your money and lie about your salary. You’ll be a lot better off.

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  22. The only justifiable reason a man would get married today is to raise his own family. Since so many modern marriages end when the woman gets dissatisfied sooner or later, a man is better off marrying for looks and genetic health only and not whether she’s a good conversationalist. If today’s marriages aren’t lasting until retirement age, then why marry for intellectual stimulation or shared interests, etc? Go for the hottie so you’ll at least have genetically desirable offspring before the divorce.

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  23. Your observation is very incisive. It also explains why marriage is a net loss in the sexual marketplace for men of means and status. I totally agree.

    On the other hand, what role does ‘companionship’ play in relationships? Obviously, it has a lot of value, but that value can’t be defined by sexual attraction. Given that most men with a modicum of game choose to settle down, what is the value of that strategy vs. playing the field?

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  24. “The Ivy League grad who goes on to marry a plain jane Ivy Leaguer would, in fact, be a lot happier marrying a hot and sexy waitress with decent smarts.”

    Oops. Poor choice of jobs. Do you have any idea of the cheating rates of hot waitresses? Pretty much all of them.

    Might as well just sign up for a cuckold fetish if you marry a waitress.

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  25. But extramarital sex with doctors run wild among them.

    That’s a big problem. Whenever women are subject to male bosses, cheating runs amok

    Keep her at home or find her a job with effeminate men. Some public jobs are just like that.

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  26. on May 27, 2011 at 4:21 pm Basil Ransom

    “Having to rely on your social circle is death.”

    In the long run, your social circle may be the BEST source, if you can get a good one. When I see couples out and about, where the woman’s value is highest relative to the man, and she seems like a decent person, they often met via social circle. It’s clear the herby husband couldn’t get a whore in a brothel. Or consider the fratty bros banging hotties – confident yes, but approach machines, hardly.

    CH ignored the other side of this finding – if babes are running with betas, and you’re in their orbit, you can swoop a lot more easily. The amount of higher value you need to get a girl in that scenario is slimmer to none (i.e. even). Meeting through friends is still the most common way to find a spouse.

    Paul Janka classifies girls as “Yes, No, Maybe” girls, those who would or wouldn’t go out with you after a chance encounter. These are the no girls.

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  27. Yoda tells it like it is…

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  28. on May 27, 2011 at 7:20 pm bestcomment

    Any man who is being really true to himself would marry a 9 who has a high school diploma (the girl is of good character, caring, nice, sweet etc. and not a bitch) rather than a 7 with an MBA. The reason most men fall back and want to marry the same socio-economic is (a) reasons mentioned above (b) peer pressure.

    The true alpha doesn’t care for the peer pressure, his family’s pressure or society’s pressure, he wants the best ass he can find. Here in England marrying in the same “class” is as important as anything else (we live in such a boring country) and sometimes I’m thinking “is this guy blind? just because she goes horse riding and has a country house, she’s still chubby and gross”…

    Anyway, Yes sure it’s nice to marry someone with a few million in the bank so they can pay the school fees but ultimately the financial situation is the mans role once married! Personally, I’m thinking of taking a trip to Venezuela to find my sweetheart once I reach 35. But that gives me 9 years to live and learn and perhaps meet a nice Spanish chica closer to home. Bon weekend!

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  29. one more thing: people of higher income tend, as a group, to be better looking. they have better access to healthcare, nutrition, and more refined standards of what’s attractive. they also have incentive to blend in/compete by the same standards. so, all things being equal a poor girl who is attractive is rarer than a wealthy attractive girl, and has many more disadvantages not the least of which is lower IQ.

    so, maybe the strategy that leads men to get into exclusive relationships isn’t such a mystery.

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  30. Daaaamn

    Someone was sticking their dick in this thing on the left:

    The now pic on the right only proves British women are ugly fat and skinny.

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  31. on May 27, 2011 at 7:49 pm Basil Ransom

    Some people here feel compelled to paint a misleading picture of divorce.

    But since 1980, the two groups have taken diverging paths. Women without undergraduate degrees have remained at about the same rate, their risk of divorce or separation within the first 10 years of marriage hovering at around 35 percent. But for college graduates, the divorce rate in the first 10 years of marriage has plummeted to just over 16 percent of those married between 1990 and 1994 from 27 percent of those married between 1975 and 1979.

    About 60 percent of all marriages that eventually end in divorce do so within the first 10 years, researchers say. If that continues to hold true, the divorce rate for college graduates who married between 1990 and 1994 would end up at only about 25 percent, compared to well over 50 percent for those without a four-year college degree.

    College girls are half the risk. When it comes to wifing, ignore the dropouts, the high school grads, the community college kids. Chicks who go to commuter colleges are suspect too.

    I’ve been fooling around on OKCupid, and there’s a major average difference in quality between college grads and the rest. And the second tier grads, eg of shitty state and commuter schools, aren’t great either.

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  32. on May 27, 2011 at 7:53 pm bestcomment

    @T

    I understand the point and it is generally true that upper class people are better looking as the status gets the pick of the genes (often they look a bit in bred though… FFS look at Harry and William) but also consider that for poorer girls, her looks are really her only weapon to bag a man therefore to keep a tight thin body is a good ROI, whereas for an heiress chubby, she will get some rich guy to marry her and sex her as Daddy will put in a good word to Archduke Whittingham-Arsecrack III… I see way too chubby and out of shape upper middle class “females” in this part of the UK.

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  33. on May 27, 2011 at 8:01 pm Lionel Manboobs

    The fly in the ointment is that fewer and fewer men are attending (and graduating) from college. I’ve read in a couple of sources that women are over 60 of people graduating from college now. This is part of the feminist intifada against men that’s been going on since the 1970s. They are winning. I hope they like what they’re going to get.

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  34. on May 27, 2011 at 8:03 pm Lionel Manboobs

    Sorry– I meant to say women are over 60 PERCENT of people graduating from college now.

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  35. Those of us too young remember Sheila James Kuehl only as a former longtime California legislator, Loyola law professor, and lesbian rights activist.

    But those of us old enough remember her as Zelda Gilroy, the girl who had aggressive designs on Dwayne Hickman’s Dobie in “The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis.” She would remind him constantly that it was “propinquity” that destined them for each other.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propinquity_effect

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  36. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1390788/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-complained-sexless-marriage.html

    Arnold Schwarzenegger began a secret affair with his housekeeper after complaining about his ‘sexless’ marriage with wife Maria Shriver, it has been claimed today.

    The aging wife wasn’t competition because he wasn’t actually having sex with her. She had a cold lifeless pussy which she didn’t actually use. He got to drinking, and had sex with the extremely willing woman nearby.

    Predictable.

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  37. Fucking and marrying are different, a point that’s been made above. What’s interesting is that even in the comments, opinion seems to be breaking down along class lines. Higher SES seems to equal higher desire to have a similar partner (and yes, I’m using your writing styles/other stated preferences as a quick heuristic for class). While I think CH is right insofar as this cuts against the animalistic want to have the hottest partner possible, I don’t think it’s fair to discount the social dividend that accrues from having a spouse that’s impressive intellectually/careerwise/conversationally to your social circle. There is real pressure towards that but also real benefit when you succeed in attracting say a 7.5 who is well matched with your SES, along with the added benefit compatibility, feeling like you are able to talk to them like you would any other peer. Plus family, cultural and traditional coherence, etc. It just smooths things out.

    Of course, any self-respecting alpha will continue to hit as much tight action as he can. The self-aware alpha *makes* time to figure out solutions to his lack of opportunity issue.

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  38. This claim is largely rubbish. While the really smart Ivy League grads would happily bang the hot waitress (but for the reason given in the OP, it is unlikely to happen, but that is far from being the own driver), it is very unlikely they would marry one. Let me explain why.

    Doing what by any means is a top tier (technically not Ivy, but certainly no worse reputation wise) MBA at the moment, I find a significant share of my coeds to be boring as hell to talk to so there’s just NFW I would want to do that on an ongoing basis – you simply cannot compensate that with being hot and good in bed, alone.

    Arguably, these girls are in the top 5-10% of the IQ distribution to be here (I sometimes doubt that but for the sake of the argument, the point holds). Now, going down from that to the average population, it just gets worse.

    Add to that the fact that you could get almost double the household income by marrying someone from your own strata and the balance tilts to that even more.

    Finally, it is more likely that the Ivy League girls have decent upbringing and will have some consideration for their actions (look at divorce rates by education level!).

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  39. Also, read pg 3 of the study PDF, to see just how full of themselves young women are….

    ( http://www.publicaffairs.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Happy-Guys…in-pres-Emotion.pdf )

    In the graph, notice how college women in the Facebook era are so egotastical that they rate photos of the decent (somewhat handsome?) looking guy between a 3.0 and 4.1 on a 9 point scale!!

    (Meanwhile, men rated the average looking girl between a 6.0 and 3.0, depending on the pose.)

    Likewise, the graph on page 5 shows women scoring a mix of 80 different men between a 2.8 and 3.9 on a 9 point scale!

    WTF??

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  40. on May 27, 2011 at 9:39 pm coronel nascimento

    Lets simplify things…..in the USA it is nearly impossible to find a hot woman of a lower class who is marriage material for many reason discussed in this blog before. This then becomes a country or travel issue. Our preferences as men are relatively universal but where to find them is the key. Most CEOs or upper class american males travel way more then their lower class brethren but do so on a superficial level. Never do they really have the opportunity or time to stay in countries like brazil..the phillipines…poland, etc. America is only good for men with pure economic or social ambition that for decades and centuries has allowed them the opportunity to satisfy that drive. Only with time and wisdom ..like arnold has known for many years now ..do they finally realize how much they had to give up in terms of their female selection and options. However with super alpha arnold…..this is just a huge bump on his triumphant road. Lets give him his due….age(wear and tear) does that to all of us.

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  41. Somebody should add this to the 100 reasons not to go to grad school:

    http://100rsns.blogspot.com/

    Seriously, would you want to marry someone -else- with no job prospects?

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  42. You have to meet the hottie community college grad before you can propose to her.

    I’m sorry, exactly how hard is it to meet a community college grad?

    If that is what a man wanted, is it really that hard to go to any bar or club and meet such a person?

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  43. @ Nupi. Don’t be so sure you are going to end up with two incomes by marrying an MBA. 30% of MBA mothers drop out of the workforce within 15 years, but the rate is only 6% for women with medical degrees: http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/25_percent_of_lawyer_moms_leave_the_workplace_study_finds/

    My guess is that those numbers are higher when guys do well in their career.

    Most of my friends who went to top schools married women with top academic credentials, and I can only think of one of those wives at the moment who was still working when she turned 40. They stop caring about having a career quite quickly when the workplace is not seen as rich husband fodder. I suspect that the numbers are good for female doctors due to better workplace flexibility, and higher pay that makes it worthwhile.

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  44. Kate, do you know where the community college dumbs hang out? I only seem to meet college educated girls in the bars.

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  45. These days, hot 20 somethings in the AngloSphere are far gone carosel-riders by default until proven otherwise. College finishers at least might be more than that.

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  46. This is the kind of thinking that goes on in Asia where families want their son/daughter to marry similarly rich, well-educated types to pro-create rich well-educated kids who will provide for them in their old age.

    The problem is that it eventually results in settling.

    I was at dinner last night and across from me was a young Chinese couple and their parents.

    The girl was smoking hot. The guy was a bit chubby, beta provider type.

    Some observations: guy took piece of sashimi from the platter, dipped it in soya sauce and put it on her plate.

    Later, he walked up to get himself a highball of sake on ice. She later grabbed his glass and used it to fill her own up instead of getting up to get her own.

    Also, from the dynamic, it was clear they were his parents. She was gabbing away and getting a bit drunk.

    Shlub was quietly munching away on his sushi…

    The whole relationship dynamic was there. He was paying for everything and everyone, she was living large off him.

    Here’s how game would have amped up the sexual tension in that sad scene….
    Guy dips sashimi into soya sauce holds it above her plate…she goes to reach for it…he takes it away and eats it. Smiles….she is surprised and says “You’re so mean…”

    He fills his glass…she uses his glass as a punch bowl. He then grabs her glass and drinks from it…smiles at her.

    But no. He’s got it all now…smoking hot girlfriend who sponges off him while he works himself into a rut providing for her and his parents…

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  47. on May 27, 2011 at 11:58 pm White Devil

    I’m on Match.com – I had an IM exchange with this girl. She is in her early 30s, a lawyer(higher value than my occupation).

    I was making conscious attempts to neg her. I need Alpha feedback. Thank you.

    *********

    10:59 – Girl(GL) says:
    hello

    10:59 – I say:
    Hey

    11:04 – I say:
    Cat got your fingers?

    11:05 – GL says:
    no, but you took long

    11:06 – I say:
    Offended?

    11:06 – GL says:
    no

    11:07 – I say:
    good

    11:08 – I say:
    Don’t be shy, I don’t bite

    11:09 – GL says:
    trust me, i m not shy at all. i was just in the middle of something

    11:10 – I say:
    It’s okay if I make you feel like a Jr. High girl going on her first date

    11:10 – I say:
    Just breathe

    11:11 – GL says:
    sure. im not a feminazi. lol

    11:11 – GL says:
    a rush reference

    11:11 – I say:
    That’s a good thing

    11:12 – GL says:
    from the 90s. you were in 9th grade probably.

    11:12 – I say:
    19XX I was

    11:12 – I say:
    I think

    11:13 – I say:
    I’ve never dated a woman older than myself. If we dated, would you teach me new things?

    11:14 – GL says:
    i think you can learn from anyone, regardless of age

    11:15 – I say:
    You didn’t answer my question

    11:17 – GL says:
    i beg to differ. and, I don’t expect to assume the role of teacher when I date someone. I hope to learn from my partner as much as they do from me

    11:18 – GL says:
    the answer was implied

    11:20 – I say:
    Indeed, though, I don’t usually capitulate to beggars, but I’m feeling generous

    11:23 – GL says:
    anyway…

    11:25 – I say:
    It’s amazing you’re a lawyer and you claim not be a feminazi –

    11:29 – GL says:
    how is that amazing? I do not believe my place is in the kitchen or barefoot and pregnant. Nor do I have penis envy or want burn my bra. I like what women have done in terms of suffrage and integrating us into the workforce. however, I love being a woman and having a man treat me like a woman. a man should be masculine and a woman should be feminine

    11:30 – I say:
    Anyway, surrender your number – I want to talk

    11:31 – GL says:
    however, i can e a bad ass when i have to be. that doesnt make me a man. it makes me a bad ass cristina. i do not see it in gender terms

    11:31 – I say:
    Anyway, surrender your number – I want to talk

    11:31 – GL says:
    you surrender yours

    11:31 – I say:
    Ladies first

    11:33 – GL says:
    email me yor number and i will call you tomorrow. am going to swer and watch a movie tonight

    11:33 – GL says:
    shower

    11:33 – I say:
    I was not going to call you tonight – surrender your number, now.

    ********

    At the time of this writing, she still hasn’t surrendered the digits …

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  48. on May 27, 2011 at 10:08 pm coronel nascimento

    To my fellow players…I’m american by birth but left the USA because i was really drunk once and got arrested for trying to meet a 15 yr old girl, that happened to be an undercover police femcunt (this was when i was 24 and after a breakup with an american woman that made me drink more vodka then i care to remember). Got 5 yrs probation for a victimless crime and was put on the sex offender and pedophile list(in any country where alpha male is a positive thing that would just make people laugh or smile). Just a really dumb thing that I did. Hold no hard feelings for the USA…..i broke a ridiculous and stupid law….hey pedophiles who go after real children deserve all they get. The point of this short story is that for more than 4 years ive been traveling and living in other countries.and totally grateful that i left the USA for good (no way i was going to live there with probation or a stain on my name when i did nothing naturally wrong). I had traveled alot before this happened, especially to europe, but nothing gave me the perspective of how messed up it is for american, and now a big percentage of european males, until i was forced to live for very long periods of time in other more man friendly environments. Roosh and some in his travel forum know all this. I think we have to urge him to travel a little bit more

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  49. leave her alone. That one has disaster feminazi written all over it.

    She’s a feminazi that’s why she has to preemptively say that she is not.

    Run…..run as fast as you can

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  50. on May 28, 2011 at 12:28 am White Devil

    @ J:

    In my profile, I wrote: Feminists need not apply. She was making a reference toward that.

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  51. Like J said, White Devil, run while you still can.

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  52. on May 28, 2011 at 12:33 am White Devil

    Well, what about my negs? My tactics?

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  53. on May 28, 2011 at 12:47 am The Specimen

    A hot community college drop out is much more likely to cheat on you because she has available to her a much larger pool of acceptable men who are higher is social status than she, and thus more options. The higher a woman’s social standing, the fewer men there are above her, and the more limited her options.

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  54. on May 28, 2011 at 1:01 am The Specimen

    @ white devil

    You did some really good things in there and some bad things. Advice: her being a lawyer (higher social status) and older is only an issue if you bring it up and call attention to it. Treat her like any other Starbucks barista chick you met in a bar. Assume the role of the dominant man. She wants you to lead. Many lawyer chicks are like this because many guys are pussies and too insecure to take on the dominant role with them.

    Also, pick and choose your spots when negging via text. It’s much easier to mistake good natured teasing for insults when you can’t see a face or hear vocal inflections.

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  55. @White Devil

    Your exchange comes off totally needy and try hard:

    11:05 – GL says:
    no, but you took long

    11:06 – I say:
    Offended? Why go into her frame and ask her how she feels? Reframe or ignore that

    11:06 – GL says:
    no One word responses, pulling teeth, ask open ended questions rather than yes/no ones

    11:07 – I say:
    good

    11:08 – I say:
    Don’t be shy, I don’t bite Needy

    11:09 – GL says:
    trust me, i m not shy at all. i was just in the middle of something Passive-aggressive response. Time to either bail.

    11:10 – I say:
    It’s okay if I make you feel like a Jr. High girl going on her first date Don’t use the word “date” ever….it’s not a neg, it’s sounding presumptous and needy. It’s the 21st’ century, puas, alphas don’t go on “dates”….we hook up, we hang out, we chill out…whatever but date?

    If she’s not chatting within the first few tries, bail.

    The problem with these chats is that it’s so vague that unless she’s keen off the top, it’s hard to move it forward.

    Keeping yourself aloof and casting a wider net would be better.

    I’m a bit off these chats now. She’s in fantasy mode being on Match.com and the fact she’s 30’s means she’s already angry….though she would likely call herself “picky”.

    As for the “feminists need not apply”—too angry. In the minds of most women whether they are or aren’t feminists because they’ve been fed a diet of “men are pigs” propaganda, that would disqualify you right away.

    You have to be more vague, more mysterious, more alluring:

    I always liked: “No fatties freaks or fairiers”.

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  56. No fatties freaks or fairies.

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  57. Actually, I think the reason that smart men don’t marry hot waitresses is that the hot waitresses aren’t attracted to them. From what I’ve seen, women are averse to men who’s I.Q. is too much higher than their own. People of highly differing levels of intelligence have major problems communicating with one another.

    I mean, those men could probably sleep with the women through “game”(psychological manipulation), but eventually their true intellectual nature would come out, turning off the lower-class women…

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  58. “I think social pressure amongst certain groups plays a role, much in the same way religions make people foreclose dating outside the religion”

    Agreed.

    Women also want a “trophy husband” …. when they can get one.

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  59. Porcine is a great word.

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  60. on May 28, 2011 at 5:21 am j4cksincl4ir

    I personally look for intelligence as well as looks. It is quite common for both attributes to come with the same women now that nearly half of young people go to university.

    That one’s GFs and wife is a result of preference and opportunity sounds like a truism but most men never really grasp this. Moreover, women actively socially engineer opportunity. My former female housemates ensured that prettier girls were subtly discouraged from moving in and those who didn’t get the hint and moved in anyway where ignored and shunned.

    When a female housemate organised a night out, we’d always end up in cock-fest pubs where single women would rarely be seen. She of course denied accusations that she was deliberately taking her BF and housemates to places were the opportunity to find single women was negligible.

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  61. You’ve not understood the study – it says education is a factor people care about, not education. Of course, because the author of this blog has limited intelligence, his hamster would misinterpret that.

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  62. correction:

    ¡Viva el romanticismo!

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  63. i would only get married if i wanted kids.

    i prefer to bang hot girls.

    but if i get married _with the purpose of children_, the criteria change completely. i want my kids to inherit high IQ, amiable personalities…

    and as far as i can see, very good looks are too much of a crapshoot to expect good-looking kids from a hot wife.

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  64. This is on the assumption that intelligence and beauty are mutually exclusive. This is not necessarily the case. I pride myself on being young, hot and educated. Though I understand superior intelligence can be intimidating for some men used to being the dominant partner in every way. Some men I have men are not used to and don’t like being challenged in discussion. Frankly, if he isn’t intelligent enough for me with a witty sense of humour, I get bored of him after the second date. This is true of many bankers out there – rich, handsome but dumb. You probably think I sound like an indignant, nonchalant woman, but I am just being honest. Obviously in life, I don’t say or act this way 😉

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  65. Re: Lara and men not valuing intelligence in women.

    I think this is a good example of projection. It is women who frequently don’t value intelligence in men. Just look at the interracial dating scene. Which gender is choosing dumber but more physically attractive partners of a different race?

    Speaking as an overall average sort of guy but one with higher intelligence than normal, I can tell you intelligence is a highly attractive, nay, necessary, attribute in a women for a long term, satisfying relationship. I don’t man intelligent like a men is intelligent (fixing stuff, making money), but intelligent like a woman.

    If women understood this preference in men for intelligence, they would take more pains to develop their intellect and certain other skill sets. They would learn how to converse. They would learn simple skills highly attractive to men. For example, how many women bother to learn to play the lute (or any instrument) these days to enamor men. In the days of old, such a practice was common. Or, how many women bother to read good literature, rather than the trashy novels which abound in drugstores? How many women read non-fiction. (I don’t mean new age or feminist crap.) How many women can discuss science or politics with knowledge, not simply repeat the garbage they hear in the mass media?

    It is a sad state of affairs, but true, that women have used the incredible explosion of information and opportunity of the 20th century to become ever more fixated on their own beauty and personal pleasures to the exclusion of other aspects of their persona.

    Men notice these failings.

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  66. Bravo Gramps! It’s nice to hear a man rate intelligence. I do disagree a little – women do value intelligence, especialy as it affects the way a couple communicates and their sense of humour.

    Also, wouldn’t you agree that it’s the Chateau projection which doesn’t rate intelligent? Preferring ‘hot, thin Hooters girls’ to ‘plain Jane Ivy League’? I think you might be more of an exception rather than from the average sample of readership here when it comes to valuing intelligent women.

    I just simply wanted to point out that intelligent women can be hot, even as far to say that their intelligence can lead to other attributes which might make them hotter (to an intelligent man). However, I understand that the concept of an attractive and educated woman might be too difficult for readers of the Chateau to accept.

    [Editor: Are you, Vivi, a plain janer? You will just have to come to grips with the fact that men value women’s looks a lot more than their intelligence or dossier of suckup credentials. Or you can continue railing against reality on this outpost of brisk hate.]

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  67. on May 28, 2011 at 8:49 am White Devil

    @Walawala

    Thanks for the reply. Years of betadom will be harder than I thought to break. I had no idea that exchange sounded needy.

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  68. White Devil,

    Take this in the right way – your negs / frame come across as a bit bitter and from a place of soreness or bitterness. Treat them gals with a type of amused, gentle contempt. As if you were interacting with Barbossa’s monkey.

    The expression Daniel Craig has on his face when he picks up gals in the Bond movies. C&F, but from a place of amusement, not bitterness.

    Also, when she talked about a shower and a movie, those were indicative that she was opening up and that too about naughty topics, good chances for you to lead the conversation with full-on C&F.

    One of his linked blogs (at the top right) is a guy who’s an expert in chat based pick ups. You could follow those.

    The way email / chat works best is:

    – Be ready to provide 80% of the convo for the initial minutes to reel them in – mostly light banter, witty stuff.
    – Listen to their keywords and ask broad questions instead of specific questions. Let her open up more and more on varied things. Hint: They love to talk about themselves.
    – Take convo towards emo-feelingy topics than logical stands on issues.
    – Pull her leg, be witty, be funny. Steer the convo away towards firmer ground when she seems to be yapping away.
    – Have a few non-sequitirs ready. When convos flag down, fire a random unrelated statement that stirs her up.
    – When she warms up and becomes interested in chatting more, take the digits, in case of resistance, bail. Bail anyways.
    – Set a max time investment beforehand for the chat within which you get the digits / phone call / coffee meet-up.
    – Rinse and repeat !

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  69. Re Vivi and the Chateau’s average readership.

    This site is mainly about how to pick out and pick up hot girls for quick sex without strings, and a howto on navigating the dating market in a world where traditional male values (hard work, steadiness) are not very useful. They tend to shoot for high notch counts. Naturally, female intelligence is not given too much weight in those situations. LTR’s are a very different story.

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  70. @Gramps

    Great Post!

    I would add women refusing to learn how to cook nutritious low simple carb meals.

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  71. Female intelligence is virtually a non-sequitur for any women past their late 20s. Large numbers of women certainly spend plenty of time obsessing over feminist concepts, and they still come across like 10 year olds when they write and talk about it. I participate in comment boards such as this with lawyercunt – very few having anything insightful to say, and nearly all of that comes across as regurgitation, not original thought. Mentally, women are like 10 year olds by middle age, except they have a bigger storehouse of information from living longer. If we had national IQ testing of all 45 year-olds, feminism would be in shambles.

    Women have been denied voting rights and leadership positions, with minor exceptions, for nearly all of human history for good reasons, one of the chief among them being lack of intelligence.

    If you are into relationships with intelligent people, Gramps, you are looking for a partner of the wrong gender. The thought of having sex with a fellow guy makes me want to vomit, but if you can stomach it, given that intelligence is of such value to you, that’s what I recommend. If you can get over the self-delusion most of them have about their inherent sexual orientation, there are no shortage of really witty, insightful, and brilliant “gay” guys out there. Otherwise, you are choosing from an infinitesimally small dating pool.

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  72. Science confirms that women are more attracted to men who smile less.

    http://yhoo.it/l8OOr6

    Add to the preponderance of evidence pile confirming the canons of the Chateau….

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  73. Dirk,
    Don’t you have some woman to pay so she can go home now.

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  74. on May 28, 2011 at 10:50 am j4cksincl4ir

    Back in the day a prized form of feminine intelligence was known as thriftiness. A thrifty wife could save the household a fortune. Further back in time, this thrifty wife might have provided a small dowry instead of credit card debts.

    Alas, families with a thrifty wife were less dependant on the goods and services of the growing consumer-economy and this could not be.

    The symbiosis of the Ivy league grad and the hooters girl is that of le seigneur and the busty peasant milkmaid. Both acquire short-term advantages whilst the beta man is toiling in the fields so that he can provide for a perky maiden in his 40s. Meanwhile notre seigneur has married a virginal lady more befitting of his station.

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  75. No, Lara. In fact, I’m contemplating calling one over to get paid right now. I get horny on Saturday mornings, and being single means I don’t have to beg or schedule my sex life around soccer practice.

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  76. It is true that options severely limit who you date/fuck, but in the end options are one of the most powerful restrictive constraints in the dating world.

    What would an Ivy League educated guy be doing at a prole dive bar hitting on a dumb but smoking hot waitress? Assuming he would even have something to talk to her about, what if he fucks her and gets her pregnant? He would be embarrassed to introduce her to his parents as the mother of his children.

    Furthermore, there are a lot of reasons people have restricted options.

    I don’t date hipster girls because I don’t fit-in at hipster bars. The whole reason there are different “scenes” is that different people have different tastes and social circles.

    College kids tend to date college kids, hipsters tend to date hipsters, business professionals tend to date other business professionals, etc…

    It is pretty natural for people to self-segregate into different social circles.

    So the fact that options impose restrictions on who you date is not surprising.

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  77. Basil Ransom

    How do you seduce sober dumb girls?

    If I can’t get a girl to put in 40%+ conversation fairly soon, I rapidly lose the will to continue. Plenty of girls will blame those silences on you, and not their sucky conversational skills.
    —————————
    you do things on a date with her other than talking. interactive dates like cooking together, bowling, fishing, dancing. If she is a little better at these things than you are, let her show you how to do these things but have her feel that you are in control still. Then she “feels” like you could be a couple.
    As far as wanting intellectual stimulation from women, that is a lost cause. Even if a woman is interested in intellectual things it is most likely that you will be doing the stimulating.

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  78. on May 28, 2011 at 11:47 am David Rockefeller

    “tapping the same depreciating pussy for years”

    wow. a contender for saddest phrase in the english language.

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  79. This works the other way too. I’m a Premier danseur noble, and all the woman I have dated have been young, nubile, slender and beautiful dancers. I could not think of a better career choice, and if I had a son, I would have him follow into my footsteps.

    Are there any careers surrounded by this much beauty, energy and youth? I think not my friend.

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  80. I’m sorry, exactly how hard is it to meet a community college grad?

    If that is what a man wanted, is it really that hard to go to any bar or club and meet such a person?

    In a college town this is actually harder than you would think,
    there is a fine line between university grad and high school grad/drop out. College enrollment to community college enrollment almost is 4:1.

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  81. It is hard to carry on an intellectually interesting conversation with dense girls. Most men would rather just pay and screw or have them as mistresses than wives. Not to mention she would be an embarrassment at a social function and not have a career of her own.

    So most educated men are looking for wives due to social status reasons, so they would rather sacrifice some looks for brains, so that they won’t have to kill themselves listening to the dribble of airheads. Also educated men bring more resources to the table including genes, social connections and family name.

    Also another dark truth is most college graduates are white and hence tend to marry their kind, so of course college educated people will tend to marry their kind. It perpetuates the white hegemony in the US socioeconomic system.

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  82. on May 28, 2011 at 11:26 am Sixpackmaniac

    I was wondering….

    Numerous posts, discussions, and examples abound with regards to text game. However, blackberry users often rely on a slightly different tool (BBM). Here in Toronto, 80% of chicks under 30 have BBM. It is the default messenger. It differs from text in a number of key areas:

    *You have a display picture
    *You can have status updates (like facebook, “Going on a killing spree with the boys”)
    *It alerts the sender to when the message has been delivered, and then once the message has been read.

    These add an entirely new element to game. Does CH or anyone here have any game pointers on the matter? I would love to see a post or discussion on the matter.

    From my own experiance….
    *It pisses girls off when you read their message (BBM tells them this) and don’t reply.
    *Too many status updates looks try hard.
    *cryptic/funny status updates work best
    *Flattering profile pics of having fun are good. Update occasionally. IF a new picture, sometimes I find it initiates conversation from a chick.

    Also, if you delete someone off of BBM they know, as opposed to deleting a number. I have not done this but I wonder if there is any game on doing this with a flake who, in the off chance has any interest wil notice you deleted her and be perturbed. Or perhaps is it better to keep her as a bbm contact to see the pics and status updates overtime of the killer life you are living.?

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  83. If you’re smart and she don’t get your jokes (or whatever you’re trying to say) then there’s no “connection” for Chemistry. That is it. Is she’s too far from your intelligence, it ain’t gonna happen. Laying some smooth on a hot babe who just stares at you blankly, blinks and goes off and hooks up with a loudmouth drunk because she “gets”… don’t matter if you’re hung like a pornstar with stamina to match, he got the ‘gina tingle going and you didn’t.

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  84. on May 28, 2011 at 2:36 pm Corporal Hicks

    You know, there’s this really dumb, insane conventional wisdom that women are higher in verbal intelligence than men, communicate better, demonstrate superior fluency, etc., etc.

    That has NEVER been my experience, as long as I’ve been on this planet.

    No woman I’ve ever met has EVER matched the verbal skills of countless men I know.

    Name me ONE great female orator. Uh, yeah, that’s what I thought.

    Women TALK a lot. They gossip a lot. But they actually say virtually nothing of any value.

    Yes, we’re of nation of talkers, as Oprah has taught us over the years. (what a demon, that bitch.)

    And women talk all day, yet offer nothing.

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  85. on May 28, 2011 at 2:51 pm Corporal Hicks

    Not sure I really understand all the references to “hotties” and “cuties” in the posts.

    The VAST majority of American girls are, by and large, tub-a-lards who merit zero attention, yet carry a holier-than-thou princess mentality.

    And no, the younger ones AREN’T still thin. In fact, in my experience, the younger ones are now HEAVIER than the older ones, as they’ve grown up eating genetically-modified corn and soy oils that age them rapidly and expand their rears into barn-size doors.

    I mean really.

    The only “hot” “cuties” left on this planet are somewhere other than the USSA, believe me. (my personal preference being South America, as that’s where I found a TRULY beautiful, HOT cutie, inside and out.

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  86. I pride myself on being young, hot and educated. Though I understand superior intelligence can be intimidating for some men used to being the dominant partner in every way. Some men I have men are not used to and don’t like being challenged in discussion.

    Vivi, you may be hot, young, and educated, but you are clearly not of superior intelligence. You are what is best described as “educated midwit” as you are exhibiting a conventional educated, upper-middle class female attitude. You challenge men in discussion as a form of shit-test, hoping to find someone who will entertain you and provide you with intellectual stimulation.

    However, you won’t do well with someone of genuinely superior intelligence because women don’t handle it well when they get intellectually crushed on a regular basis. The highly intelligent do not suffer fools or challenges lightly and they do not pull their punches for fear of losing sexual access. (This, of course, is why so many Mensans are virgins; they would rather be right than get laid.) Intelligent men are not intimidated by your challenges, they simply have no more interest in them than you have for those presented by a drooling retard with an extra chromosome.

    A midwit like you will do best with a college-educated man of moderate intelligence, with whom you can share your opinions without fear of having them conclusively proven to be ridiculous and ill-founded time after time.

    Individuals of genuinely high intelligence, both men and women, tend to place little value on their partners ability to entertain them because they are thoroughly caught up in their own intellectual pursuits. Vivi’s expressed interest in challenging men is what passes for her intellectual pursuit, which of course is not intellectual at all, but rather a dressed-up form of the all-consuming female interest in social hierarchy.

    [Editor: I’m reminded of that fantastic movie ‘Ridicule’, about palace intrigue in the waning days of French aristocracy. Vivi is the aging but still bangable baroness who measures men by their witty repartee and royal rank but considers silly the lead protagonist’s efforts to drain a swamp and improve the health of a local village of peasants.]

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  87. Conversation used to be more important to me. I was also one of those guys with a big huge perma hard on for ideas. Ideas were very serious things.

    I’ve dated some smart chicks. A college professor, some scholarship winners, a girl who was in the artificial intelligence field, and whatnot. One of them was super hot and an olympic class lay.

    But over the years after getting used to generally not looking to my girls for intellectual stimulation, I have to say that you can get used to it, and that it’s still possible to feel love and sexual attraction for a kind hearted hottie who does your bidding. Stupid girls can be satisfying.

    It just takes a while to get used to not expecting much creative wit. You’d think you’d miss it, but like anything you get used to living without, you don’t actually miss it, eventually.

    But the reverse is not true. There is no substitute for fine ass, and if that hunger dies, so has your spirit.

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  88. It’s a poignant fact that the super hot high IQ girl I dated would have been the worst choice for a life partner. Of course I was in love with her madly – any man would be – she was a 10 if there is such a thing.

    But beauty plus brains doesn’t make wife material. Not even beauty plus brains plus screamingly great frequent sex.

    Nope.

    The number one important factor in a mate is simply her good cheer.

    Get any depression problems in your woman, and all that IQ is worthless.

    After leaving me to marry her fiance with the superior passport, she went on to have near suicidal depression and became an uber feminist lawer cunt. Constantly angry, and contantly in hate with men in general.

    Go figure. Amazing how what you think you want, so so bad, can turn out to be just some passing fancy that it’s really best you never got after all.

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  89. “Here at the Chateau we make the bold claim that assortative mating doesn’t tell the whole story. The Ivy League grad who goes on to marry a plain jane Ivy Leaguer would, in fact, be a lot happier marrying a hot and sexy waitress with decent smarts. ”

    I disagree beauty fades…sometimes men truly value a woman for her intelligence/personality. If you marry a woman just because of the way she looks, then in the long run that will be a dissapointing relationship in all liklihood.

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  90. “Here at the Chateau we make the bold claim that assortative mating doesn’t tell the whole story. The Ivy League grad who goes on to marry a plain jane Ivy Leaguer would, in fact, be a lot happier marrying a hot and sexy waitress with decent smarts. ”

    also when someone has ‘decent smarts,’ ur meaning common sense, not all people who are highly educated have common sense, that’s a bit different than marrying someone who is of low intelligence.

    education doesn’t automatically equate with intelligence, especially in these days.

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  91. Bravo, explat.

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  92. i call b.s.

    the speed daters in this study were already self-sorted. (hint: they don’t resemble the general population at all.)

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  93. vd nailed it.

    as someone who works with and consorts with women like vivi on a constant basis it is true that they cannot handle nor do they enjoy being around men of true genius. i have a few friends in the genius category and when i bring them around my most intelligent female friends (a professor with a phd in linguistics, a grad student in biology, a political journalist, and a professor with a phd in geo-physics) their egos quiver and writhe with jealousy and end in resigned confusion. it’s beautiful to watch.

    about half of these guys have the credentials to match their iq while the other half doesn’t. the ones without the credentials; the auto-didacts, are by far the most creatively brilliant of my social circle. one of the most learned and luminous minds i have ever known is a book dealer of rare texts and antique manuscripts. his intellect is blinding; translucently radiant, a true wonder.

    he is testament to the fact that women do not tingle for genius. whenever i bring him around my most intelligent female friends the vibe is killed, very, very quickly. of course, they try and challenge his intellect when he drops some bit of information related to their field as a way to spark conversation.

    within minutes his historical knowledge about the particulars of the subject at hand opens out like a peacock’s plume and he delves into the broader philosophical cross-currents of the ideas like a professional surfer out for his daily swim.

    he is ironically not the type to flaunt his intelligence either, it’s all matter of fact and par for the course in his world. he also is not condescending or uppity in his way when he talks with these women. ive noticed that this fact infuriates them even more; they almost wish that he would come of as pretentious, but nope, he speaks with an easy measured tone that bespeaks not one iota of arrogance or academic pomposity.

    the simple fact is that he knows so much about their own subject and he knows it in such a way that is more creative, more in depth, and with more regards for the fundamentals of the thing that they simply can’t keep up. to put it mildly, he leaves all these womens egos in shambles. the point of all this is that none of these women that feel not even the slightest hint of sexual attraction in the midst of his towering intellect. what they feel is confusion, rejection, and finally boredom at his superiority. (he is also not unattractive; late 40s, tall, slender, looks kind of like bryan ferry of roxy music)

    no, what women like vivi want is a grad student type who can traffic in the fashionable ideas of the intellectual moment with a penchant for snarkiness and sarcasm devoid of any real substance or depth. screenwriter woody allen-esque neurotic banter with a veneer of sophistication so as to build the illusion that we are of “class”. haha, please ladies give me a break that you want is true intelligence in your sexual partners. no what you want is a conformist idea of what society deems as acceptably smart. as always, women look to society for validation in their choices (hence why pre-selection is the #1 gina tingler).

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  94. Lol @ the feminists commenting here.

    Bigger lol @ the men who want “intelligence” from a broad. Are you incapable of having intelligent conversations with male peers ?

    Fare thee well on that dreary, desperate road looking for your intelligent “goddess”. Go go go white knight into the black abyss singing praises for your unknown, unliving female whom ever evades your grasp. The pedestal must keep getting higher for you chumps.

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  95. @xSplat

    Perhaps she wouldn’t have sunk into depression and crazy with a strong man in her life? I can’t help but think that the betafication of society leaves many women without the strong male authority figure that their hindbrain craves. The lack of male authority makes women get crazy/depressed.

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  96. Educated upper-middle class people don’t marry proles, period. Waitresses are for fucking on the side, not spending time with and bearing the family name.

    And just so you know, being a mere lawyer doesn’t mean SHIT to an attractive Ivy-educated woman. Hm, let’s see: is an Ivy-educated 8/9 going to get with some scrubby state school public defender slob, or will she get with the federal judge?

    Three guesses, dumbfucks.

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  97. I can’t believe I was just lumped into some gross generalisation by someone who goes by the name of ‘VD’.

    I agree with one of their points to an extent – highly intelligent academics do fall into the sociopathic query autistic spectrum and so find it hard to integrate with others. However, VD doesn’t understand that by intelligent, I meant bright, young professional with a successful career and diverse artistic interests, which is a much broader net than the definition VD gives. I find it hard to believe that a man who is intent on being the dominant partner would be happy to be challenged by a woman, but I am prepared to be proven wrong.

    VD is welcome to speculate on my wit and my intelligence all they want, but I am happy and secure that at the end of the day, my education and career path is amongst the top 5% in the country, I have a wide range of interests and I am not short of options in eligible bachelors. The problem is that amongst my ‘opportunities’ and contact circles are a lot of assholes. These assholes often talk to me expecting me to be a secretary or PA and when I tell them what I do, they react like they are more surprised by my role because of the way I look. So, it’s not only men that have this preferences vs. options situation. Educated women have to work in an environment with a lot of arrogant men who enter a pissing contest all day.

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  98. on May 28, 2011 at 9:18 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    I was heartened to learn that Mexican-Americans are about 45% European in descent.

    I was disheartened to learn that they are also 10% West-African, but we can put that aside for now.

    So at about 45% white, Mexicans, despite their low skill levels, are not quite depopulating the white race.

    In other words, someone half white and half black is considered (and looks) black.

    But someone half white and half-Mexican will still pass for white, and probably will assimilate into civilized society.

    So all is not lost. America may have 50 million Hispanics now, but 45% of their genotype is white, so as a society, we might just survive.

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  99. Vivi,

    I feel so bad for you. I hope you find the Alpha you need.

    I can’t imagine the pure torture of being surrounded by so many Betas.

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  100. Thanks J, I’ve gotten used to it. Girls learn to put up with a lot of shit. We also learn the art of passive manipulation, a secret I am not going to reveal 😉

    Christ, MuMin, someone called Adolf imposed your theory abround 60 years ago. Blew up in his face and inconvenienced a lot of the world. I’d give it a rest if I were you.

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  101. on May 28, 2011 at 10:32 pm College Grad

    Hey CR this is totally random but you might be able to use it. Just had a conversation with some friends about number of sex partners. Here was the girls’ responses…2, 1, 4, 7. The two most attractive were the ones with 4 and 7. Yet the national avg of 3 is close enough. Thoughts?

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  102. @Vivi

    I find it very interesting that you are talking to yourself. Trying to act four different persona (JJ, Vivi, j and College Grad) and failing miserably.

    You do realize that this blog tracks your IP address or e-mail and assign a personal symbol next to your name? So merely changing your screen name isn’t enough.

    So are you a girl or a man? Perhaps a hermaphrodite, oops gotta be PC, I mean… intersex?

    I’m inquisitive, since if you were a woman. I was going to give you some quality advice.

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  103. on May 28, 2011 at 10:57 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    I’d give it a rest if I were you.

    Tee hee. Clearly you are new here.

    I predict you will leave in about 2 days, after people much smarter than you teach you a thing or two.

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  104. “And just so you know, being a mere lawyer doesn’t mean SHIT to an attractive Ivy-educated woman. Hm, let’s see: is an Ivy-educated 8/9 going to get with some scrubby state school public defender slob, or will she get with the federal judge?”

    I don’t know whether this is true, but if it is, the snobbery and susceptibility to “branding” illustrated by such comments (like the false conviction that the Ivies are always and everywhere superior in every program they offer) are not qualities that reflect well on the female sex. Whoever you are, you ought to realise this.

    [Editor: Women are more susceptible to herd mentality. In fact, they nurture the herd when they can. Chaos is a male domain.]

    alias clio

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  105. That Vivi was unable to infer that “VD” is “Vox Day” suggests she is not as smart as she thinks herself to be.

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  106. seriously though, some of the guys on these blog threads are as deluded as the chicks

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  107. Sigh. You fellows are so determined to believe that women are generally less intelligent than men that you completely ignore the fact that in real-world situations, it isn’t all that uncommon for an individual woman to be more intelligent than a man. In fact, this probably happens more often nowadays than it did 50 years ago because women are freer today to choose their mates according to their superficial sex appeal, rather than their success in the working world.

    Unfortunately, sex appeal/alpha qualities don’t always translate into intelligence. Still more unfortunately, a woman who lands an alpha who turns out to be illiterate, or barely articulate, is likely to lose her “hots” for him sooner rather than later.

    I’m not speaking only of the world of middle-class professionals here. The phenomenon is equally visible in such couples as, say, a smartish, pretty waitress, and her handsome but dopey bartender boyfriend. When she discovers the depths of his dopiness – perhaps the fact that he keeps losing cash because his arithmetic is so shaky that he doesn’t keep track of what he makes in tips -her respect for him will quickly diminish. And no amount of alpha swagger he puts on to make up for it will win her back again.

    In their hearts, alpha men are conscious of the importance of superior intelligence in maintaining their alpha status with a woman, and that’s why they avoid the women whose IQs are manifestly greater than theirs if they possibly can. I know his boys are convinced that such cases of superior intelligence in women occur very rarely, and perhaps they are right: that is not the point I am attempting to argue at the moment. I only want to say that a higher IQ in a woman partner is death to alpha male dominance in the long term. In the short term the alpha man may get away with it, especially if he plays the mysterious card and doesn’t let his woman get to know him well. But such truths have a way of coming out.

    Alias Clio

    [Editor: If he’s really good, by the time it gets out will she have aged into sexual obsolescence and be unable to find the uberman partner she could have ten years earlier.
    Every day counts ladies. Tick tock and all that.]

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  108. I look for attractive women, not intelligent ones. I get intellectual stimulation from other men. From women, I want sex. It is 2 different kinds of social interaction. I have never met a woman who could carry on a rational conversation the way men can.

    But so what? Why would you think you need to have all your social needs met by one person? That is a ridiculous form of one-itis.

    When I want intellectual conversation I talk to men. When i want sex I look for hot chicks.

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  109. The question of whether it is better to marry an upper class girl or a lower class girl is completely irrelevant. It is best to not marry at all. Getting married to anyone is a huge mistake for any man.

    The man who marries within his class might be slightly less miserable than one who crosses class lines, but the man who is happiest is the one who remains single.

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  110. Vivi is exactly the kind of femcunt I avoid like the plague. She thinks she is smart and she likes to challenge men in discussions. Why on Earth would I want to be around someone like that? Life is far too short for me to waste any of my time on someone like Vivi.

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  111. @ Rambo
    “Are you incapable of having intelligent conversations with male peers ?”

    Careful. This is really no better than a woman asking “are you incapable of getting a woman within your own country?”

    @xra

    Here, here.
    There are some good entries of this blog from back in 2009 (and when there would be 300+ comments) but overall, the “data” and commentators are turning this blog into some sort of bad parody.

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  112. I really feel bad for Vivi. She’s typical of the modern American woman. She’s psychologically ruined by feminism. Essentially useless to any man worth his salt.

    Her “vibe” is completely masculine and a massive turn off. She thinks it her role to “challenge” men.

    Every man she meets will be Beta to her. And, the only types that can get her panties wet will be Alphas of two types.

    1. men who are out of her league.
    2. thugs/criminals/bad boy types.

    She’s the type who actually believes that any man gives a rat’s ass about her “credentials”. Probably believes that men are “intimidated” by her.

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  113. Vivi

    Though I understand superior intelligence can be intimidating for some men used to being the dominant partner in every way.

    I’d suppose that could happen. But at the same time I’d suppose that something else could happen, and you could conveniently mistake the two somethings.

    My best friend used to inquire about my love life, and my answer was frequently, “oh, that girl is really into me, but she’s afraid of intimacy”. My usually polite friend lost it one day and said quietly, “that’s what you ALWAYS say”. I just sputtered “But, but, but she IS! Really!”

    Maybe intimidation is not always what’s going on.

    As a creative and insightful man, it’s rare that even people with higher IQs intimidate me. The best of men and women will become my mentors, and some of my betters I’ll consider close enough to be my peers. Intimidated is not a word I’d use to describe any intelligence differential, with any man or woman. Like most people who get pleasure from the mental life, a conversation partner who can match creative wits is a pleasure. It’s a rare and positive bonus to get any of that from a girl.

    But if a partner is filling a job position, it is not a position of conversation partner. The job position is subordinate. Regardless of how good she is or thinks she is at her career and or social engagements or handling her finances or engaging in witty banter about brain surgery, the job application she is filling out when she applies to be intimate with me is the position of a subordinate.

    If she thinks any personal attribute of hers can change that, she need not apply.

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  114. on May 29, 2011 at 2:35 am j4cksincl4ir

    Vivi: “my education and career path is amongst the top 5% in the country”

    There’s the problem right there. Being in the top 5% means that there is little potential in social climbing for the hypergamous. Any wonder men are “assholes”.

    If you haven’t noticed already, the wives and girlfriends of men of a higher social stratum to you, exclude you from social events unless you have a steady BF. The passive manipulation of opportunity is used against other women too.

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  115. @Vivi,

    most bankers i know are witty and smart. and most biglaw lawyers i know are witty gunners. in fact, that’s what they flex at the office rather than their physical muscles.

    @everyone else,
    grad school holds less and less cache in this day and age. It is more the major in college and beyond. A master’s in social work is NOT a real masters degree.

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  116. “Though I understand superior intelligence can be intimidating for some men used to being the dominant partner in every way. Some men I have men are not used to and don’t like being challenged in discussion. Frankly, if he isn’t intelligent enough for me with a witty sense of humour, I get bored of him after the second date.”

    The key qualification is ‘challenge’. How do you challenge them? One can challenge someone by volume (screaming, insults) and content (ramblng, talking a lot without content, reinforcement of taboos) or one can give a few qualified arguments (thought-through, well-reasoned).

    I’m pretty sure that most men — intelligent or not — are on board with the latter form of ‘challenge’: intelligent conversation — ‘intelligent’ being limited by the particular plateau level of the couple. The latter would also mean that wome have to put some genuine effort (study, reading, thinking) into forming an opinion on a particular subject.

    If a man is being challenged by some girl who lacks life experience, recycles all the MSM cliches and folk tales, and starts screaming as soon as she doesn’t like the directopn of the conversation, than he’d be done with the ‘challenge’ and just keep silent. He could also start a word fight, but that would indicate A) a dumb man or B) a pretty dominant guy who wants women to know their place.

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  117. on May 29, 2011 at 5:17 am j4cksincl4ir

    @Lately

    I was mulling over the “challenge” too.

    There’s enough challenge in nature, economics and society already.

    Why would any man wish to add a woman to his life whose only means of expressing her educational achievements is by challenging men as opposed to nature, economics and society?

    For such a privilege the man must first pledge financial and sexual exclusivity to a woman who in all likelihood has had more sexual partners than he in her prime.

    Modern marriage reminds me of the Jacobins of the French Revolution who placed a whore on the Bourbon throne while declaring “Reason”.

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  118. […] Heartiste – “Top Ten Signs You’re a Beta Male“, “Liberals and the Acceptance of Biological Determinism“, “Piss Bomb“, “Dating Preferences vs Options” […]

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  119. The_King

    @Vivi

    I find it very interesting that you are talking to yourself. Trying to act four different persona (JJ, Vivi, j and College Grad) and failing miserably.

    Fuck off, you dimwitted paranoid omega feeb. Did you even go to University at all? How much do you make? What’s your IQ? How much can you bench? Are you still a virgin? What are you bringing to the table?

    Go fuck a prole, prole.

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  120. ‘Challenge’ meaning challenge of opinion. When I challenge a guy, it is preferable he listens to my views and puts forward his counterarguments rather than hearing a over-testosteroned man get defensive and ‘touchy’ about what I just said.

    Whoever The_King may be is ridiculous. Look at your own icon. Par exemple of stupid asshole.

    So some gents suggest that I get a crappier job and dumb down my intelligence to give other men a leg up and let them appear more ‘eligible’. Awesome solution guys. If you do it, so will I. I am aware that as a woman becomes more educated, her options decrease, but still not prepared to sacrifice years of blood, sweat and tears.

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  121. Lately

    The key qualification is ‘challenge’. How do you challenge them? One can challenge someone by volume (screaming, insults) and content (ramblng, talking a lot without content, reinforcement of taboos) or one can give a few qualified arguments (thought-through, well-reasoned).

    If a man is being challenged by some girl who lacks life experience, recycles all the MSM cliches and folk tales, and starts screaming as soon as she doesn’t like the direction of the conversation, than he’d be done with the ‘challenge’ and just keep silent. He could also start a word fight, but that would indicate A) a dumb man or B) a pretty dominant guy who wants women to know their place.

    Reminds me of a chat conversation I had with a 21 year old Muslim virgin about sex before marriage. I wound up calling her an arrogant know nothing nag. She was all in my computer face about being morally superior and knowing the right way, and God this and afterlife that.

    The incompetent don’t know that they are incompetent. Was that young fool “challenging” me? Not a good idea. I don’t have to be polite.

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  122. Ps. LBK, I wouldn’t want to date you either, but unfortunately stupid assholes like you want to ask me out and turn on the charm at the beginning…until I disagree with you and you get aggressive and mouthy.

    [Editor: Men with good game know not to get aggressive and mouthy if the pickup attempt turns sour. But in your case, being the grade A cunt you are, mouthiness would be required.]

    To the men who say my view is irrelevant, you certainly have a lot to say about it… It’s just a game after all.

    [How old are you>? How tall are you? How much do you weigh? Do you do anal?

    Keepin it relevant.]

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  123. “‘Challenge’ meaning challenge of opinion. When I challenge a guy, it is preferable he listens to my views and puts forward his counterarguments rather than hearing a over-testosteroned man get defensive and ‘touchy’ about what I just said.”

    OK. I get what you mean. These guys exists also, but most intelligent men are not like that. You’ll be more likely to see them swallow their thong and think: ‘well, let’s stop here, let’s stay on a happy note, I know I’m right anyway, so why fight?’

    I must say that I’ve heard people, often women, complain that people don’t listen to them, but in reality they mean that their attempts to inforce their opinions and will upon others have failed. That’s about control and influence from one side. Conversating is a two-way street, and people do not have to come to an agreement; just respectfully putting forward your arguments should be enough — while agreeing to disagree afterwards.

    I also don’t get the ‘over-testosteroned’ lament as a serious complaint — even besides its advantages for masculine features and attitudes. A man would look like an idiot if he’d blame arguments he had with women on their hormone levels. This is exactly why I took exception to your meaning of challenge; you’re not arguing, but blaming and shaming. There might be good reasons for your disappointments with men, but we’re just exchanging ideas in cyberspace. That’s all. (And no, women-hating trolls who are pushing you aren’t a good reason either. Just ignore them.)

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  124. on May 29, 2011 at 6:12 am Frank Furter

    I think it was Xsplat who said the most important attribute of a woman is cheerfulness. That is exactly right. I don’t want a woman who will “challenge” me; I get enough of that from the world at large. I want a woman who is cheerful, kind, warm, loving, affectionate, and supportive. Feminine, not feminist. This is the classic definition of femininity, before it was corrupted by the debased modern feminist culture.

    And I’m not about to date a feminist just to “prove” that I’m not intimidated by her. Why would I care if anyone thinks I’m intimidated? I don’t. I want a traditionally feminine woman, and I’m not embarassed to say so.

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  125. I always thought Bill Gates was a loser for marrying one of his employees. It’s because the man simply never met anyone outside his company. I know other nerdlingers with no social lives who simply married the first available woman they met.

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  126. You guys got this so twisted. Not really sure if you actually understand how class is defined and how it is different for men and women.

    Sure, at least superficially money+education+prestigious business or career equals upper class FOR A MAN.

    For a woman you should be looking at things like the marital status of her parents, upbringing, number of sexual partners, the way she speaks and attitudes as a much better indicator of “class”.

    In the good old days, the higher class the woman belonged to, the less likely that she did ANY WORK WHATSOEVER.

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  127. Also please realise that by marrying these so called “higher class” women you are satisfying HER HYPERGAMIC NEEDS.

    If you are a real man you should find no pride or security in something you didn’t earn yourself or don’t have complete control over. So forget about her money or her career.

    Satisfy your own needs for hot young ass.

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  128. Frank wins thread.

    Vivi- good luck finding an alpha who would marry a ball-buster like you when he could settle down with a cute, feminine, teacher/nurse/ etc 10 years his junior. A man marries a woman they want to be the mother of his children.

    Argumentative cunts need not apply. No matter how well-groomed or well-educated you are, men in the market for spouses gladly sacrifice these things for true feminine wiles.

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  129. on May 29, 2011 at 11:01 am Corporal Hicks

    For guys who are might still be interested in getting married one day:

    I really think the idea is to marry a girl from a humble background with an intact family.

    There are oceans of data that prove you’ve got to find a woman from an intact family (i.e. her parents are NOT divorced) if you hope to have any success in a marriage.

    Women with divorced parents have internalized (especially subconsciously) the “cash-out if he doesn’t do what I say mentality.”

    So where do you find a girl with a humble background, low mileage, and an intact family.

    ANSWER: NOT in the USSA.

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  130. on May 29, 2011 at 11:08 am namae nanka

    “Mentally, women are like 10 year olds by middle age, except they have a bigger storehouse of information from living longer. If we had national IQ testing of all 45 year-olds, feminism would be in shambles.”

    http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/SexDifferences.aspx

    “In the good old days, the higher class the woman belonged to, the less likely that she did ANY WORK WHATSOEVER.”

    hence good old feminism said that it was oppression!!

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  131. Corporal Hicks

    One caveat- daughters of first generation immigrants from places like India or China have a higher probability of meeting your criteria.

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  132. “Christ, MuMin, someone called Adolf imposed your theory abround (sic) 60 years ago. Blew up in his face and inconvenienced a lot of the world. I’d give it a rest if I were you.”

    Vivi shows her risible command of and insight on 20th century history and ideology.

    This is why:

    Vivi: “my education and career path is amongst the top 5% in the country”

    When Marxists, Progressives, and other assorted true believers of Social Democracy are controlling education the result is cultured ignorance on a mass scale.

    Your expensive education was a failure. You have the knowledge base of a History Channel watching simpleton.

    Cunt.

    I am Dinky Wang

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  133. Delurking … re femininity vs feminism, xsplat and Frank Furter nailed the issue in their responses to Vivi.

    That Vivi views romantic relationships in a competitive zero-sum manner bodes badly for her.

    As xsplat explained well, the “feminist” attributes prized by Vivi are positives for men in a mentor, teacher, professional colleague, friend, etc, context. They work in a gender-neutral way that applies equally in male and female non-romantic relationships.

    However, the feminine attributes listed by Frank Furter (FF: “I want a woman who is cheerful, kind, warm, loving, affectionate, and supportive.”) are most important for the foundational compatibility of a committed life partnership.

    A woman can be intelligent and accomplished in every way prized by feminists and even economically boost the life partnership more than her man, but in order for the relationship to be strong for the long term, she needs first and foremost to be the feminine wife/mother for her man’s masculine husband/father.

    Vivi: “I am aware that as a woman becomes more educated, her options decrease, but still not prepared to sacrifice years of blood, sweat and tears.”

    A woman’s options should decrease only if her education has cost her her femininity, but it takes a strong young girl let alone woman to resist the lifelong feminist indoctrination. Vivi appears to be yet one more victim of a feminist system that has lied to her since early childhood about what’s best for women. I was raised in the same feminist system and have only recently awoken to the damage caused to women, not just men, by feminism. I’m old enough now to see too many of my generational peers realizing that lonely spinsterhood, failed relationships, and/or desperate quests for motherhood are the brutal cost of following the feminist path over the feminine path. Competing with men under the dictates of feminism has cost them their birthright as women to the detriment of men and women.

    Vivi says she is “still not prepared to sacrifice [the] years” she’s invested into following the feminist path. That’s understandable, but the biological clock is not a choice. Before it’s too late for her, I hope Vivi is able to weigh the shrinking biologically prime years she has ahead of her against the sunk cost of the years she’s already sacrificed to feminism. Hopefully, Vivi will be able to deprogram herself of her feminist indoctrination and become feminine before it’s too late for her to avoid what many of my professionally successful female generational peers are now discovering for themselves to their shock and dismay.

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  134. Vivi

    If you are the least bit fuckable, the men you happen to be talking to are considering the possibility and that alone makes the conversation interesting to them. As soon as you begin sending off the kind of unpleasant, bitchy vibes that eliminate you as a potential sex partner, experienced men will lose all incentive for being around you unless you are a relative. It is not like men have come to expect to learn anything useful or worthwhile from the opinions of confused and angry young women.

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  135. I suppose that this is where services based on the show millionaire matchmaker are truly breaking down men’s self-imposed wall, where they’re surrounded by frumpies all day long, so that they can get introduced to people (hot chicks) outside of their social circle whom they’re never going to meet or approach in real life.

    No wonder wimmen’s rightists hate the shows, it’s about men realizing their full options. And freedom is bad.

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  136. The latest…

    “Married Couples in Less than Half of US Households,” by Nigel Dura, AP via Yahoo! News, 28 MAy 2011
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110528/ap_on_re_us/us_census_cold_feet_on_marriage

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  137. on May 29, 2011 at 3:55 pm Corporal Hicks

    I worrry a lot about my 18 and 16 year-old nieces. I doubt they will ever marry. Spinsterhood looms.

    Why? Because they’ve grown up with a real princess mentality, and every wish they’ve ever had has been fulfilled. Call it a true Disney tragedy.

    The built-in moral superiority of “girl power” drilled into girls and boys alike in public schools will not serve them well.

    Any flaming beta idiot guy dumb enough to commit to marrying an American princess deserves what he will get.

    But marriage is pretty going down in flames, anyway. Girls and women are truly on their own for the first time in history, and the true shocker of it all, is the vast majority don’t know it (yet).

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  138. Anybody with stats on marriages these days regarding:
    1. Age levels and differences.
    2. Economic levels differences.
    3. Educational levels and differences.

    Etc.

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  139. Re: Corporal Hicks and the Princess Syndrome

    I have talked to women who have come back from Disney Land (Florida version). They have a special show there for young girls (about 6 years old, etc.) wherein they dress up and act like a Princess from a Walt Disney moved. They get to talk to an actual human dressed up like a Princess, and all.

    The women have gushed over how great the program is. We are talking women with extensive educations (physicians). I get the impression they enjoyed it as much as the children.

    Sickening, I know. But, that is the reality. Read their magazines. The Princess syndrome is innate, and deftly stroked by our society.

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  140. on May 29, 2011 at 4:49 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Gramps

    Spot on. When it comes to females, it doesn’t matter the what the occupation, professional attainment, or pedigree is.

    They’re all act like friggin’ 15 year-olds, I tell you, every last one of them.

    The princess training will backfire on them, however. They will inevitably divorce when their “prince” fails to deliver on every single whim that enters their pea-sized brains.

    Bag-lady status thus awaits, ultimately. Sure, they’ll clean out their Beta husbands financially, but then they’ll blow the cash on trinkets.

    No Kupcake knows how to handle money. Not a single one.

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  141. on May 29, 2011 at 5:02 pm Emma the Emo

    Yes, intelligence is important, in a woman, too. Emotional intelligence is a part of overall intelligence. Would anyone want to be with someone who constantly misunderstands them, can’t manage their feelings and doesn’t know when to quit arguing? You can’t call yourself very smart if you don’t apply your smarts in your relationships, too.

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  142. Emma the Emo

    Sure, why not. Emotional intelligence is good; the more the better.
    But should not it occur to anyone that a sign of real EE in a woman would be the ability to quickly and accurately discern how men feel about things? I am not sure I see much evidence for that.
    I have always wondered why so few women seem able to figure out how to improve their “relationship” with any man they truly valued.
    What part of “lose the lard-flesh and keep his balls drained” is so hard to understand? How much EE does that take to sort out? Especially since guys are so willing to explain the matter in plain English phrases.

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  143. Book review of: Female Infidelity and Paternal Uncertainty: Evolutionary Perspectives on Male Anti-Cuckoldry Tactics
    http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP05358362.pdf

    “The section on mate guarding begins with an excellent introduction by Gangestad, who carefully lays out alternative explanations for female extra-pair copulations. Shackelford and Goetz then examine male prevention tactics. One of the mating strategies examined as an early prevention method is violence against women within partnered relationships. As noted by previous researchers, the evolution of sexual jealousy in men may be related to paternal uncertainty (e.g., Daly, Wilson, and Weghorst, 1982; Symons, 1979). Based on this observation, Shackelford and Goetz provide data suggesting a link between men’s use of mate retention tactics (i.e., behavioral manifestations of sexual jealousy) and violence towards their partners. Data from three different samples (men, women, and married couples), and from three different perspectives (i.e., the perpetrators’,
    the victims’, and a combination of the two), suggest that men’s use of direct guarding (e.g., monopolization of time), intersexual negative inducements (e.g., emotional manipulation), and public signals of possession (e.g., physical possession signals) were positively correlated with controlling behaviors, violence, and injuries against their female partners.”

    Available at Amazon.com:
    http://www.amazon.com/Female-Infidelity-Paternal-Uncertainty-Anti-Cuckoldry/dp/0521607345/

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  144. Correction:

    – so many women seem UNable to figure out how to improve their
    relationship with their men-

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  145. Occupation isn’t important – level of education is. I guess the comments from people on this blog who say otherwise are more tradesmen, just degree educated etc.

    I am what most on here would consider to be alpha male, currently half way through a PhD. I can easily get girls to have sex with – but for longterm I need somebody who us intellectually on the same level – this is pretty much why the majority of academics marry other academics. Otherwise it can he uncomfortable for both parties.

    As an aside – a question to the blog author (as behaviour is my speciality). You seem to lean towards the claim that behaviour is biologically determined, – hence why women want an alpha male, no? (I’ve seen people make pseudo-science references on here regarding “hind brains” and such like, determining behaviour.)

    Yet by the definition of this blog you are telling people behaviour can be changed socially.

    [Editor: I never claimed environment was irrelevant.]

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  146. A RooshV thread in his blog correctly advised that the dumber the woman, the more direct and caveman like you can be.

    Dumb women don’t need to be gamed with finesse.
    Her higher brain may lack adequate neurons and connections but her hamster hindbrain still has a strong direct path straight to her tingling vag.

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  147. Shouldn’t online dating reduce the role of “oppourtunity”?

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  148. on May 29, 2011 at 8:23 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Vivi

    A woman posting here is one lonely woman.

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  149. Not saying one go should around hitting their women “bitch better have my money”-style to keep them from hypergamously straying (let pimps do that) but some intuitive impression about virile male displeasure/anger happening if they even think about doing it is the key deterrent. “Nice guys” just don’t inspire that.

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  150. Vivi, you aren’t entirely a lost cause or beyond help and this largely depends on how old you are.

    The death rattle of your impending spinsterhood and the realization of your rapidly approaching infertility will sound somewhere around your mid 30’s should you fail to land yourself a man.

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  151. Coporal Hicks…you mean as opposed to yourself? Because it is a truth universally
    acknowledged that a single man who posts in the Chateau is, naturallly, neither lonely nor sad? Gents, this is the type of transparent, derogatory, asshole which intelligent women can see through…

    Mr C, thanks for the warning and some sort of referred compliment. As I’m still in my mid-20s and dating, I am not worried yet. I was just putting my argument forward that some smart, successful alpha males still choose to marry educated women DESPITE being exposed to many bimbos. It’s not a lack of opportunity at all.

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  152. This goes well with my latest entry, “Don’t marry a girl on the first date” which tries to explain the phenomenon where guys get all bent out of shape about the first date. They dream of not only banging her, but making a life with her before the first cup of coffee.

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  153. Vivi’s “vibe” is completely masculine. Not attractive at all.

    I feel really bad for her (if she is in fact really female). She has been psychologically ruined by feminism.

    Most men will come off as Beta to her ( because they supplicate, and then actually take her seriously). And only a Beta would put up with a woman who “challenges”.

    And Alphas will be a problematic for her. The ones she would want are out of her league. That leaves only thugs/bad boys who see through her “ekwalitee” nonsense.

    What Vivi fails to realize is that most men could give a rat’s ass about her educational and occupational “success”.

    Too bad.

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  154. Mid 20s and dating and talking about males choosing whom to marry, your feminist lessons obviously made you retarded. You frame the world from the perspective of the men you want, yet choose to ignore the information being presented to you from a male perspective.

    Listen to Beyonce or Glee, if they want it then they better put a ring on it.

    Summary:

    1. THEY DON’T WANT IT.

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  155. This blogs main weakness is its redundancy. The author should expand his horizons a bit and the quality of his life will improve.

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  156. Vivi, well you could very well be

    intelligent
    attractive
    educated
    a good potential partner.

    Congratulations; you represent a whopping 1-2% of the
    20-something female demographic.

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  157. Divorced, 41… No rings for sluts, and get a pre-nup that also covers custody and paternity testing of both parents (fair’s fair, she can’t complain and you don’t want a baby mix-up at the hospital either). Even though things didn’t work out, I didn’t lose my shirt and am rackin’ up some bank after paying off the bills. She’s finding out about the pump-and-dump scene and making ends meet. She was “not happy” before and now… well, she must be a masochist or something ’cause that certainly doesn’t seem to be better. Plan ahead, folks, even if you won’t need it.

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  158. Vivi

    The world is already full of career women whose looks are fading and who are screeching about how men avoid committment with them because they are intimidated by their “accomplishments” or career success..
    Yes, already full to bursting.
    See, guys with options have no reason to pay full price for a relationship with a woman who is going to be as much a competitor as a help-mate when she is already older than he likes..
    If your self assessment is accurate, the type of guy you are holding out for is the type that will commit to you only if his status needs point towards a careered wife. You might get lucky but the only guys NEEDING a status enhancement by taking on a careery wife are relative losers.
    If his status is set right, his woman is picked for stress relief and making legitimate sons and daughters.

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  159. Many women of Vivi’s ilk suffer from the fantasy and delusion that the man they will eventually marry will be their “everything” … Lover, Soul Mate, Protector, Provider, Husband, Intellectual equal, blah, blah, blah.

    Up so some point, the media is partly to blame for perpetuating this nonsense Disneyland type view of the world.
    Modern women by in large have taken this fantasy on board and made it their own.

    No single man can fill all these roles and if such a man did exist, he would be of such high value and have enough choices to want and demand better than what your lot have to offer.

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  160. Mr. C, that is partly born of the myth that a woman can and should be her man’s everything. It is a Hollywood/Disney fantasy that never pans out in real life.

    People who happily stay married or committed are those who understand the reality that there is no perfect spouse, and that if you lean to hard on a mortal human being, they will break.

    To be together for life, people should be prepared for the realities of life. Too many people today want to have their cake and eat it too. On average though, I think men usually have more sense when it comes to these things than women.

    Women think they’re going to be the perfect worker and the perfect wife and mother at the same time. Men think they’re going to find the perfect body with the perfect personality. It’s what’s in all the movies.

    Horniness is probably why men wake up sooner usually. I have some theories that men actually need physical affection like food or water. Without it they get a kind of adult attachment disorder.

    Women, on the other hand, often have a worldview that is social and inner with very little in between. So they can do without for a long time, sustaining themselves on a fantasy and whatever validation they get from conforming to the norms, which are currently very backwards.

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  161. on May 30, 2011 at 12:31 am hauptsturmfuhrer

    Vivi,

    You may well exhibit all of the qualities that you listed. The negative reactions generated may partly be due to the fact that we hear the SAME THING from so many other empowerfulized women, who, upon closer inspection, are complete cunts. The slogan for feministing.com is “young feminists blogging, organizing, kicking ass.” The media is saturated with images of supposedly intelligent young women “kicking ass,” and many men can see right through the bullshit. I find it interesting that I can determine if a man is intelligent merely by having conversations with them; with “intelligent” women*, they will TELL YOU that they are intelligent and brag about whatever career accomplishments they may have. A woman bragging about her “intelligence” on the net is the equivalent of a guy bragging about the size of his e-penis.

    Another thing that bugs me is this false equivalency between career success and intelligence. It hits a nerve with me especially because I am a very intelligent guy who has not been stunningly successful in life so far, which I would chalk up to Aspergers and general social awkwardness. So fuck you, fuck you, fuck you with a fucking rake. If and when I ever become a successful alpha male, women with your attitude will not be a top choice for me.

    * Thankfully, I have met actual intelligent women. There will always be a soft spot in my heart for the nice, quiet Jewish girl I met in college who could speak multiple foreign languages and had a sense of humor. If I didn’t believe that there are more of them, I might consider giving up on life altogether.

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  162. A man on occasion will date or marry below status, but women are programmed to always shoot up. She’ll settle for within her own circles, but they ALL dream of shooting up. A man that is truly upper-crust doesn’t want to disappoint mummy and daddy, or his snob friends. He’ll probably have a fling or two with someone below his stature, but when it’s time to get serious, he’ll marry Buffy. In the end, it is truly dictated more by who you have access to, but also a certain conditioning by parents and others in the circle as to what is expected, or acceptable.

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  163. “Another thing that bugs me is this false equivalency between career success and intelligence. ”

    Agreed.

    A good friend of mine has 3 – 4 University degrees, while his reasonably intelligent wife who never went to University found her niche in the finance/banking sector (being quite attractive looking certainly helped) and earns DOUBLE what he earns.

    Go figure.

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  164. Nicole, so in effect the Media “Fourth Estate” has become one giant cock block.

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  165. I have a high IQ. I turned down Mensa because I don’t want to associate with them. The only intelligence I look for in a marriage-able woman is whether she knows how to cook, clip coupons, wash clothes, run a vacuum, and raise self-respecting children.

    Beyond that,if she can actually do all that and know how top start and run a successful home-based business. Any knowledge beyond that does not matter.

    Having said that, I tend to date intelligent women. One is a biochemist. One is an EMT with SCUBA certs. One was a lawyer/CSI agent. and the one I might consider a serious relationship that leads to marriage is a GED earner who has streets smarts.

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  166. Curious how y’all are citing MBA chicks as the intelligensia amongst women. You do not aim very high.

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  167. on May 30, 2011 at 2:11 am rebelliousvanilla

    Vivi, intelligent men are sarcastic – they don’t tell jokes or do what the typical people consider a sense of humor. They have fun by making analogies and word games, they don’t tell jokes or the like. And most women are unable to grasp any of that. And besides, how self-centered is that? So you care only if someone makes you laugh? Intelligence should be important because of mutual understanding of two persons who are supposed to be together for the rest of their lives. Sure, their senses of humor should be compatible since it will make the lows in your life higher, but it isn’t that important as the rest of the things intelligence affects.

    Any meaningful or fulfilling thing in life isn’t exactly designed for amusement. So intelligence should be important because it allows you to have common interests of an intellectual nature. Any idiot can tease a woman. VD nailed it completely. Also, intelligence used to be selected for by men because like Gramps said, we used to actually pursue things that men cared about. Nobody gives a shit about someone having a graduate degree in itself or having whatever as a career. And you made the exact mistake I expected you to make – I’m intelligent and yet I don’t use my intelligence to continuously argue with my man. There’s already a world filled with idiotic dimwits who you can argue with. A man wants to get home and have a pleasant feeling about it – if he cared about competing in terms of intelligence, he’d join a debate club, not fuck a woman.

    Maybe you will get this. Men DON’T GIVE A FUCK about arguing with women. It’s not that they mind us challenging them, it’s just that they want to have a warm family to come back home to after this soul crushing chore that most work places are. A relationship is built on what you have in common, not on arguing about your differences. Most men that marry also don’t really give a damn about your career either. They marry because they want a family and they see your career as a negative because it makes you less likely to be a good mother(aka that doesn’t shuttle her kids into daycare). Considering I have a mother with a far more accomplished career than my father, I can tell you how they make it if you actually are willing to listen instead of whine about how it wouldn’t be you anymore. And believe me, when my mother gets home, they don’t begin arguing like idiots.

    [email protected] 28, 2011 at 12:24 pm, congrats. I did ballroom for a bit over a decade and yes, it always seemed odd that silly men made fun of the ones that took ballroom by calling them gay. Last time I checked, those guys touched women, while the men who did manly things got to feel other men up during basketball practice. Also, due to the nature of dancing, we have to let men lead, which probably repulses a lot of feminazis from it. So men, learn how to dance.

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  168. Vivi…

    Learn to cook.
    Compliment your man and massage his ego.
    Let him take the lead and only make suggestions when you want to steer his decisions elsewhere.
    Give him regular, epic blowjobs.
    From time to time, let him put it in your ass.
    Smile when you see him checking out other women.
    Appreciate what he does for you.

    Then … you will trully be a keeper.

    😉

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  169. Ohhhhh … and don’t get fat.

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  170. on May 30, 2011 at 12:57 am hauptsturmfuhrer

    May I tentatively suggest that

    “A woman bragging about her “intelligence” (or career accomplishments) on the net is the equivalent of a guy bragging about the size of his e-penis.”

    be added to the list of maxims?

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  171. The magnitude of the demographic devastation occurring in the West just demonstrated itself to me today on a personal level. Yet another friend of mine told me he doesn’t plan to have kids. Coincidentally we went to a mall today jammed with middle eastern and south-asian immigrants towing around their gaggles of children; the contrast was starkly clear.

    In this particular crew of friends the only guys who have any kids are the guy who immigrated from Venezuela with his fat Venezuelan wife, and the guy whose parents were born in Indonesia. Four other guys (white, born here) have told me they’re just not having kids.

    They give the typical inane reasons such as kids are a handful (duh), and I’m loving my “freedom” (said apparently without irony by working-stiff desk jockeys).

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  172. Look, I’m gonna ignore the aggression because like I said, I can’t be bothered to deal with all the anger management issues floating around here.

    I’m not really a feminist, I am a tradionalist who got an education and got into a profession. I am not here to boast about my personal credentials, I am here to argue that
    1) some smart, successful, educated men find bright, successful, intelligent women attractive as well as the airheads
    2) successful marriages are usually borne of two people who have SIMILAR levels of attractiveness, intelligence and socioeconomic status
    3) couples like this still get married DESPITE the man being exposed to many bimbos, therefore it is through preference and not a lack of opprtunity al all

    I think similar levels of intelligence are important as it affects a couple’s ability to communicate with each other. Intelligence shapes a person’s sense of humour and I am a fan of irony so it’s important that a man is witty and able to make me laugh.

    As an aside, I notice that many men have commented that women in their 30s are crazy feminists and women in their 20s are idealistic princesses. Well then, it’s not just women who are picky, is it? Clearly your projection vs standards of an attractive woman are just as unrealistic and unattainable as that of what you project a woman’s to be in a man. Anyone not see the irony here?

    We would all benefit from taking a step back and gaining a bit of insight into our own prejudices.

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  173. Vivi,

    Wait for it…..I have to fart…..

    (…….Ooooooooaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!……….)

    OK, now :

    Detox my Buttox

    Many would love to be in the position you are in, as it is a rare privilege to be allowed to detox my buttox. It is more useful than any task you perform at your job.

    So quit talksin’ and start detoxin’

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  174. Sorry Buttox-with-an-x. You have a SHIT sense of humour 😉

    You are clearly a man of average intelligence.

    FAIL

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  175. You are clearly a man of average intelligence.

    But of superior attractiveness to women, as your response proves 🙂 🙂

    A lot of women would love to be in the position you are in, so you better respect the honor I have given you.

    So then, without further ado…

    Detox my Buttox

    (which is a more useful task than anything you are doing in your useless, affirmative-action-derived job, that would not exist in a free market).

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  176. on May 30, 2011 at 5:44 am rebelliousvanilla

    Anonymous, which is why I have no respect for white men. That and the fact that they pay the welfare benefits of the immigrants who rape their women. As a group, white men are the laughing stock of the world. I have far more respect for rapists than this group of pathetic idiots. There are some brilliant white men though who deserve quite a bit though, which makes the whole group worth the effort(too bad it’s just a case of outliers).

    To make a point, the Middle Eastern immigrants are far better marriage material than your friend. At least marrying them gets you a family.

    Vivi, why would men commit to women that spent the prime years of their lives bedding other men and marry them after the polish wore off? I probably have as much respect for the men who do this as for those who pay benefits to immigrants that rape their women. So let me get this straight: you honestly think that men that work and want to marry get a good deal by marrying a 30 years old who had her time bedding half a football team in her 20s? That’s the equivalent of an unemployed man with no credentials in terms of marriage material. If I was a man, I’d rather spend the rest of my life shagging slutty waitresses than marry a woman that is 10 years past her prime. I’d probably marry a woman in her 30s only if I was about 20 years older. No point in marrying in my prime to someone past their prime.

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  177. on May 30, 2011 at 5:56 am Original JB

    “I think similar levels of intelligence are important as it affects a couple’s ability to communicate with each other. Intelligence shapes a person’s sense of humour and I am a fan of irony so it’s important that a man is witty and able to make me laugh.”

    Thereby confirming the earlier observation:

    “You frame the world from the perspective of the men you want, yet choose to ignore the information being presented to you from a male perspective.”

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  178. on May 30, 2011 at 6:11 am j4cksincl4ir

    In the off-chance that I get married, I think that I’d be better off marrying an air hostess (not the feminist, frumpy school dinner lady types). This way, I wouldn’t have to live with a modern woman 24/7 for the rest of my life and I’ll have an attractive woman to hook-up with every so often.

    I actually don’t mind being left with the screaming babies as my wife travels the world. It is being left with a nagging wife at home is what I want to avoid.

    Yeah, she’ll probably have a hook-up in every airport and hypergamiously fuck the pilots but inverse-hypergamy will be easier for the maturing gentleman to indulge in while she’s away.

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  179. Vivi, I hear a lot of guys telling you that what you think men want is not what men want.

    We know what you want.

    But when you explain why men would want you, the men here tell you “but that’s not my priority. I don’t care about any of that. That could even be a negative to my life”.

    You are stuck in an odd place. What you value about yourself, what you can’t give up without losing your identity, is not valuable in the dating market. You think being smart and independently minded is an asset, but in the market you find that your competition has more important assets.

    Or you would find that, if you were able to accept the bruises to your ego of taking the blows of reality directly.

    You can ignore what men say they want, if you like. But then, why is it that in your real life relations, men treat you as they are not interested in a “challenging” woman?

    Because we aren’t.

    We just aren’t.

    You are applying for a job with the wrong credentials. You don’t even know what the job is. You are showing up for a job as a wife in a business suit.

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  180. Vivi: “Hahaha, if being educated and having a job better than most men makes me a ‘doomed’ feminist in some of your eyes then I guess I can accept that.”

    A “better” job? And what, in your mind, does this mean exactly? A job which involves shuffling papers and/or chattering about essentially pointless formalities all day?

    I don’t know how precisely you meant this to be interpreted, but, based on what you’ve written here, I think you need to reexamine your attitude toward the work world. Few jobs can seriously be compared horizontally in such a way as to claim that one is ‘better’ than the other; sure, different jobs require different skill sets, but that’s no reason to describe the situation in the manner which you have. Can you elaborate? Why is your job ‘better’ than most held by men?

    And for the record, I think ‘intelligence’ (assuming you even know what this means; intelligence is NOT fundamentally about ‘verbal skills’ or other kinds of narrow abilities) is basically neutral in the sense that men obviously don’t put it anywhere near the top of the list, but its position can fluctuate depending on the attitude of the woman. Clearly, men (or, at least, normal men) prefer women who possess the suite of traits traditionally associated with femininity, especially those of the physical nature (i.e. youth, body proportion, etc.); without these things, a man would be either abnormal or lying if he were to say he is ‘turned on’ by the woman in question. As for intelligence, I think what usually happens is that modern women who have above average intelligence tend to use it in adversarial ways which produce unnecessary conflict/division, and so it becomes a negative trait in terms of attractiveness. If it were used differently, it probably wouldn’t be a negative, although still not a priority.

    In any case, I think it goes without saying that most men prefer women who are somewhat (usually not by much) less intelligent than themselves (and, correspondingly, most women prefer a man slightly ahead of them intellectually).

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  181. Vivi, in your last post above you present points that are not entirely unreasonable.

    What I feel that many of the others posters here are saying is that sometimes; the exception proves the rule.

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  182. on May 30, 2011 at 8:32 am CatoRenasci

    Vivi – if you really had all of the qualities you had described, would you be here telling us about them?

    I’m well outside the age and/or wealth range for most hot young things. I grew up around women who were intellectually and socially accomplished without rancor towards men long before modern feminism morphed into a perpetual PMS rant. These women were my cousins, my mother, and my mother’s friends, and my very 19th century grandmother. Doctors, lawyers, teachers – college or university graduates before it was common.

    If I may offer some observations: in my experience, women with first and solid second rate minds simply figured out what they wanted to do, and then figured out how to do it. They didn’t go on about how clever they were. If they were attractive, they took advantage of that as a fact; if not, they did the best they could. Perhaps they had to be better than the average man in any given situation to succeed (rather like blacks before affirmative action), but the ones I knew didn’t rub anyone’s nose in how good they were. They let their competence speak for itself.

    What they did do was to make themselves as attractive as possible in every way they could. They knew (having been young adults during the Depression) that the ability to persevere in any situation with a positive attitude was critical. Could they be sarcastic, bitchy and tough? Sure. But they didn’t advertise it! Were they annoyed or frustrated by barriers they faced? Sure. But, they didn’t let it get them down.

    Class certainly plays a role in mate selection. Men do have an advantage here, since high status men can bring lower status women into their circle if the women are hot enough and smart enough to quickly learn how to behave. Oh, they’ll never be fully accepted themselves, but their children will be, and that’s what counts to the man and, ultimately, to the woman.

    When women marry down, they run a much more serious risk of become declasse. A fate you no doubt wish to avoid.

    Most of the upper class women with fine minds and educations I have known are much lower key about both than you come across as being, so I will guess you’re background is either middle- or the lower end of upper-middle class. Strivers, who have risen in class and who encouraged you to do the same. If you’re really serious about finding a mate who’s an “alpha” within the upper-middle class (or better), you would do well to learn to combine your intellectual and professional accomplishments with the ability to make people smile and be fun to be around. Sexy, without being slutty. A party girl who knows how much she can handle and never quite makes a fool of herself, but seems just a bit risque.

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  183. on May 30, 2011 at 8:39 am CatoRenasci

    A last thought: one of the brightest, and one of the hottest, women I knew in college was careful to downplay her brilliance in situations meeting men. (She was already married when I knew her). She said the way to get a great guy was to get him to want to fuck her brains out before he knew how smart she was, and to get him to see how much fun she was before he figured out how serious she could be.

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  184. on May 30, 2011 at 8:47 am Dr. Cletus McGee

    From what I can tell, marriage is basically a big game of musical cock – kind of like the musical chairs game we played as kids. The girls hop from cock to cock until the music stops (biological clock), then they plop down on the closest acceptable AFC cock.

    Since marriage is delayed in today’s society, it makes sense that most women wait until after they have their fun in college, then head out in to the working world to continue a lifestyle of soft hedonism. It makes sense to me that in the working world, they’d meet men (and men would meet women) of their same educational background.

    Marriage-minded betas will take whoever they *think* will offer them steady sex, and the last thing women want to do is put effort into *anything*, thus they end up settling down with the closest man who has as many of their checklist attributes as possible.

    Never confuse a woman’s actions with strategy, and never think an AFCs desire for sex is any less than an Alpha’s.

    Marrying within a certain educational realm is nothing more than a bunch of lazy princesses (who know they can end it any time, any where with no consequences) and a bunch of horny AFCs (who think it’ll last forever cuz that’s what mama said) taking what they believe to be the next step.

    Source: 16 years of seeing this shit every single day at work. I hear the girls talk, and I see the guys do as they’re told.

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  185. I actually picked my wife based on eugenics. She had to be smart and ambitious, so my kids would have those qualities. I learned Russian in college in the 90’s, so I had my pick of any Russian woman who had recently emigrated to the US.

    Incidentally, I learned Russian in part to increase my dating value, and it worked grand. I became very conversationally fluent, albeit heavily accented and a lot of mistakes on where to put the accent on the word. This was because I learned most of my Russian from reading rather than speaking. So I could say a LOT of things, but badly. This made recent immigrant Russian chicks go bananas for me. I went from an American desert to a Slavic oasis that had immigrated to me.

    I went through a couple such immigrants and settled on one who was smart and ambitious and pretty enough for me. I didn’t just look at her to assess this. I looked at family pictures. I asked her about her family medical history (it was OK). I asked her about her test scores and grades and what she actually accomplished in her life. I asked her to do yoga and go running with me — she did. She passed all my tests, and I married her.

    Basing my life on eugenics was the best decision I ever made.

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  186. CatoRenasci … next time I meet an “educated” woman I think I might just use that as a line.

    “Before I find out how smart and serious you can be; I want to fuck your brains out and see how fun you are to be around”.

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  187. on May 30, 2011 at 8:55 am namae nanka

    “Hahaha, if being educated and having a job better than most men makes me a ‘doomed’ feminist in some of your eyes then I guess I can accept that.”

    Too many words.

    “I’m not prepared to take a pay cut and dumb myself down just to soothe a man’s ego. It wouldn’t be me and the facade would have to end at some point.”

    codeword for I will be a bitch, unless you whip me right.

    “As I’m still in my mid-20s and dating, I am not worried yet.”

    so you’re a single mom? or eschewing baby-production altogether?

    “Sometimes a woman can be right.”

    Hence take their word at your own peril.

    “Deal with it instead of playing the neanderthal penis card and you might develop better communication with the opposite sex.”

    rather dick in her mouth.

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  188. Vivi,
    I generally think when smart, academically oriented girls try to be hot or sexy they end up looking a little foolish and awkward. It doesn’t really come naturally to us.

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  189. on May 30, 2011 at 9:51 am j4cksincl4ir

    Dr. Cletus McGee, your tale sounds like the professional class AFC story that was part of my wake-up call.

    Someone I know who is a surgeon consultant (ie works in a highly valued and paying, respected profession) got caught by a very high mileage barmaid shortly after he graduated from medical college. The barmaid who unsurprisingly suddenly became the type of girl to not do certain things without commitment, was his second girlfriend. Such an inexperienced eligible bachelor must have perceived sex from such an experienced woman as nothing short of mind-blowing.

    Well it was a good time for a barmaid who left home at 16 to retire from the impoverishing but sexually fulfilling party scene once she met such a sweet chap with good prospects.

    Now as Mrs Surgeon Consultant, she bosses him about and now he realises that it wasn’t just sex that he was inexperienced in but women’s wiles and passive manipulative tactics.

    We can look at the Old Testament for Samson, the strong but dim-witted nice guy of the ancient AFC world.

    The ideal time-line for women is:

    *18-21 college party scene;
    *21-25 Sex and the City stage:
    *26-30 multiple dates with frogs and potential princes;
    *30+ if not married to a prince, date them only.

    Contrast this with the typical time-line of the beta under the preference v opportunity matrix:

    *18-21 fewer opportunities at college as expected – girls dating jocks and older men, yay even professors;
    *21-25 the odd lay here and there, he “got lucky”;
    *25-27 opportunity starts to relax, now in LTR;
    *27-30 GF wants things to move forward, hints and pressure brought to play to get him to propose;
    * (a) 30+ Now in a marriage with a more experienced woman, AFC finds that he is living with a cell mate who “challenges” his every move.
    * (b) 30+ Unmarried AFC notices something strange: women his age now are throwing themselves at him. Yes the women who rejected him as too nice during their spit-roasted jock days or Sex and the City days. But this is not all, hot girls in their late teens and early 20s are giving him attention – the type of girls he felt were denied him a decade ago.

    What’s a man to do but to push the pendulum away from (lack of) opportunity to preference? 🙂

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  190. on May 30, 2011 at 9:57 am j4cksincl4ir

    @Lara, that sounds like what an intelligent man initially goes through after he realises that he has to learn some game to compete with the jocks and pricks.

    He soon learns to get out of his head and to express edginess that is in accord to his fundamental masculine personality and he in affect saves girls from the real pricks and from themselves.

    Intelligent girls can look hot but it has to be in accord to who they are. Generally, they look hot by dressing with sophistication and elegance as opposed to trying to copy the bimbo barbie girl look.

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  191. on May 30, 2011 at 11:56 am Corporal Hicks

    I really don’t “get” most of the posters here, talking about “hot” chicks and “cuties.”

    The vast majority of American womyn weight in at about 185-200 pounds. Not sexy AT ALL.

    Never go out with a girl who weighs more than you do.

    (and for me, that’s the VAST majority of Ameriwhales.)

    When are you guys going to realize that good girlfriend and wifey material is only one the other side of the border?

    I don’t get how ANYONE could think otherwise these days, I really don’t.

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  192. “Perhaps they had to be better than the average man in any given situation to succeed (rather like blacks before affirmative action)”

    Newsflash…gender and ethnic minorities still have to be better. The notion that the white male is the only person qualified for the job is tired. You can’t say that there aren’t plenty of white males at the job that you look at and wonder, “how the fuck did this person get hired?” To still complain about affirmative action means you believe discrimination is dead. It isn’t. AA guaranteed that qualified minorities got opportunities – it wasn’t put in place to ensure an unqualified candidate of any race or gender “took a job away” from a more qualified white male. I think there are plenty of incompetents of all races and genders that get jobs.

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  193. Stan

    “I look for attractive women, not intelligent ones. I get intellectual stimulation from other men. From women, I want sex. It is 2 different kinds of social interaction. I have never met a woman who could carry on a rational conversation the way men can.

    But so what? Why would you think you need to have all your social needs met by one person? That is a ridiculous form of one-itis.

    When I want intellectual conversation I talk to men. When i want sex I look for hot chicks.”

    Comment gold.

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  194. @Vivi

    Several men and a couple women have told her the facts of life quite straight, and she responded w/ “that just wouldn’t be me”.

    She is a lost cause.

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  195. @White Devil

    What Wala said.

    Also, any man 25 or older should ONLY date/fuck younger than himself; ONLY date/fuck a women in her early thirties if she is younger than you.

    Rule #1: treat yourself w/respect.

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  196. Corporal Hicks, what you say has a lot of truth to it, but it just isn’t a realistic option for most men. There’s a reluctance by many men to look online for women outside the US, but they need to get over it. It’s the only way, unless you have the resources to travel for long periods of time. The only other hope is to find someone that wasn’t born in the US that still adheres to their own cultural views with regard to relationships. But you have to get to them before they’re poisoned by other women here.

    I happened upon a site called yourtango where posters submit questions about whatever relationship drama they’re going through, and other posters respond and advise. It’s incredible how most women will advise other women to NOT do anything to please their men. The advise generally leans towards doing ONLY what SHE wants, regardless of a man’s wants and needs. Eddie Murphy was way ahead of his time with this issue. In one of his early routines, he talked about how Johnny Carson had to cough up $150 mil in his divorce. He talked about going to the African bush to find a “buck-naked zebra bitch, with a bone through her nose and a plate in her lip” to bring back to marry, in the hopes of finding a woman that didn’t know who he was, or how much money he had. Then he’d have to keep her away from other American women, because they’d poison her mind and inform her as to what she was “entitled to” from her husband. They’d teach her how NOT to attend to her husband’s needs. We laughed then, but that shit isn’t the least bit funny now!

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  197. “When I want intellectual conversation I talk to men. When i want sex I look for hot chicks.”

    When I was less wise about women and relationships, I fought this notion. The older I got, and the more I interacted with and spoke with different groups of women, the more truth I found in this statement. Conversations between men and women in relationships tend to be pretty basic, boring, mind-numbing, day-to-day nonsense. It is true – the deeper discussions are with my boys. Women’s minds, no matter how educated or intelligent they claim to be, are filled with pop-culture nonsense and gossip. Women claim to want a strong man, then spend most of their time trying to attack and weaken him. Like with most things, they’re filled with conflict and contradiction…

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  198. Also, any man 25 or older should ONLY date/fuck younger than himself; ONLY date/fuck a women in her early thirties if she is younger than you.

    As women never mentally mature, practicing with the older girls teaches you the skills that you’ll use on the younger ones.

    Nothing wrong with older women, if they make your dick hard. When you are young, older women might still do it for you. When you get older, instead of viagra just be choosy with the ass.

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  199. After all, you aren’t fucking chicks to score status points with the blokes. You fuck because you want to fuck em.

    The luckiest men are the ones with sexual fetishes that make them attracted to unpopular girls.

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  200. on May 30, 2011 at 1:07 pm CatoRenasci

    Lara wrote: I generally think when smart, academically oriented girls try to be hot or sexy they end up looking a little foolish and awkward. It doesn’t really come naturally to us.

    Almost every woman looks a little foolish and awkward when they first start trying to be hot or sexy. Most girls just start at an early enough age that everyone’s awkward and foolish, and figure out how to do the best with what they’ve got by the time they’re old enough that men are really looking at them.

    It’s not that it doesn’t come naturally, it’s that you won’t let it come naturally; you fight it.

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  201. it’s that you won’t let it come naturally; you fight it.

    =feminism.

    Feminism is a natural female urge, but then again so is submission.

    It’s the mans job to learn how to make women submit. It’s an art, and a skill. And perhaps it is the duty of those who learn to pass the skills on.

    Some women (like my current girl for instance) are a bit tomboyish and feisty and tough to tame. But a lifetime of honing skills to be inborn habits can enable a man to tame wild horses of many types. Even girls that are not naturally feminine and who want to wear the pants can learn to submit and be under the spell of a man they can’t help but love.

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  202. I would say that young women are coming into their own as sexual beings much earlier than they ever did. Popular culture has assured that they will look and dress the part earlier than ever, and mimic the behavior they see all around them. As they get older, they’ll be more natural. At the same time, there will always be plenty of girls that don’t feel the need to tart themselves up, just like there will be plenty of non-jocks that aren’t overly concerned with their looks, or being popular. The awkward, academic types will always have plenty of counterparts that are attracted to them, and maybe THOSE couples get off on deep conversations with each other.

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  203. on May 30, 2011 at 1:29 pm CatoRenasci

    It’s an interesting phenomenon, but in my long experience, some of the most naturally sexual women I’ve known were ‘tomboys’ – they had a very healthy and natural relationship with their bodies and exuded sex even though they didn’t strive to. Wonderful in bed, so open, willing to give and receive without inhibition.

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  204. @Vivi,

    I have to concur with Detox. It is a rare privilege to be asked to detox his buttox. Usually only Chic Noir gets that privilege.

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  205. Honestly, the first time I lay eyes on a woman I prefer it be when she’s wearing no makeup, and dressed casually. If I find her attractive in that state, she’s definitely attractive. I prefer women that don’t have to try so hard. As CatoRenasci states, they tend to be more comfortable in their own skin and carry themselves with more confidence.

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  207. I originally just wanted to present my argument that successful men marry educated women of similar socioeconomic background through choice and not lack of opportunity. I don’t agree that rich men aren’t able to meet hot Hooters girls, it’s quite the opposite. In the popular clubs on a Friday night, you often see glamourous ‘banker hunters’ hanging around suited men, the ‘models and bottles’ culture. Yet despite the availabilty, often these successful men still choose to marry women of more middle class and educated background. Therefore it IS through preference that smart men marry smart women and not through lack of options as the original post suggests.

    My second argument was that the post treats beauty and brains like they are two mutually exclusive concepts and I disagree. I think a woman can be considered attractive as well as intelligent. If she is dating an intelligent man, there is probably more rapport between the two of them if they have a similar sense of humour. As intelligence shapes humour, there will be more connection between the two if he has charm and wit to make her laugh and she can understand his jokes and make similar retorts. This applies to discussions and debates as well.

    Lastly, some guys have asked me why I’m here and it’s because it’s fun for me to challenge men who hold quite extreme views. In a face-to-face conversation he probably wouldn’t be so forthright so it’s more interesting to hear what some men are honestly thinking in an anonymous forum. Some men have liked to speculate about my future lovelife, which though entertaining and surprising that you give a shit…is rather pedantic and irrelevant. I’m still at a stage in my life where I am enjoying dating and browsing through different ‘options’ getting to know more about the opposite sex and also about myself.

    PS. Lara, I think smart women shouldn’t try to be sexy in a glamour girl way, but they can be attractive in a classic sense like Audrey Hepburn and the old icons. Elegance and education go together to create a mysterious, nonchalant aura and that creates the appeal for an intelligent and professional woman.

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  208. on May 30, 2011 at 3:01 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Vivi:

    The lawyers and Hooters girls contrast is exaggerated, especially for LTRs. A better example would be lawyer and elementary teacher.

    Some high end lawyers or other corporate types may have enough access to and game (you need both) to get with dumb club girls. Most do not. Most of these guys are working their asses off at the office. That lifestyle is not conducive to a lot of clubbing.

    I’d add that there are two issues:

    1. Being able to meet women outside your social class.
    2. Being able to talk to women outside your social class.

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  209. on May 30, 2011 at 3:07 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    As an aside, I notice that many men have commented that women in their 30s are crazy feminists and women in their 20s are idealistic princesses. Well then, it’s not just women who are picky, is it? Clearly your projection vs standards of an attractive woman are just as unrealistic and unattainable as that of what you project a woman’s to be in a man.

    No, the issue is that 30-50 years ago a man could find a woman at roughly the same place on the attractiveness totem pole as himself. Nowdays, she is often either part of an alphas harem (if she’s kind of slutty), waiting her turn to be with an alpha (slightly less slutty), or celibate (if she’s particularly conservative or religious). In all cases, this is because she doesn’t want guys on her own level.

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  210. Vivi, you will definitely find plenty of examples of wealthy men being in relationships/marriages with models. They’re the ultimate trophy. They are beautiful, and they have status/fame, putting them in circles of other rich and/or famous people. If models don’t end up with actors/athletes, they usually end up with wealthy businessmen. Wealthy guys will fuck strippers too (everyone has access to the strip club), but no, they won’t marry them. Men need to eat, so they may occasionally stop in to a Hooters, and they like to be entertained on occasion, so they’ll go to the club or the strip club and meet a cutie for fun. But those are momentary departures from their normal lives and circles.

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  211. on May 30, 2011 at 3:28 pm namae nanka

    “In a face-to-face conversation he probably wouldn’t be so forthright ”

    outlaw pimp-hand, generate women’s departments.

    “getting to know more about the opposite sex and also about myself.”

    then marry and go eat, pray and love. it’s super-effective.

    “My second argument was that the post treats beauty and brains like they are two mutually exclusive concepts and I disagree.”

    If they were not wouldn’t men be beautiful?

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  212. There still exists a class of woman that may go to a top university, graduate, and go into the workforce for a few years UNTIL they meet that guy with the high-paying, high status profession and immediately quit. Others will get into an Ivy League University merely so they’ll be introduced to others from the right families, and latch onto a guy there.

    There was an article in the NY Times several years ago about women that went to Ivy League schools, but upon graduation had NO desire to enter the workforce. They simply wanted to marry and start families. As you can imagine, they caught hell from all angles. Women were disgusted because they felt these women were throwing away hard-fought for opportunities for women. Other felt they basically took a much-coveted chair in one of the great institutions of higher learning that could have been put to better use by another student.

    I’ve found that the most intelligent women I know are well versed in their fields of endeavor, but they don’t branch out much beyond that. They can’t discuss a variety of topics in-depth. I’ve found men to be more intellectually curious beyond what they studied in school

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  213. on May 30, 2011 at 3:45 pm CatoRenasci

    To respond to your first point, Vivi, it’s true enough that many highly successful men marry women of more or less their own social class. Surely, both propinquity and choice are involved — and, of course, so is social class pressure, especially with respect to the less truly ‘alpha’ men. They’re the ones who are happy enough to bonk the hot middle and working class girls, but wouldn’t dream of bringing one home to Mummy or Grandmama. What those men are doing is taking the path of least resistance, and they are no less attracted to the hot young thing for having done so. And, most men like that don’t really care about the life of the mind anyway. The number of men (hell, the number of people!) to whom ideas and the stuff of real education matter is almost vanishingly small.

    It’s not so much that brains and beauty are mutually exclusive – that’s a mistake in categories – but that they speak to different parts, as it were. Sexual attraction functions on an entirely different level – it’s not that a man who’s attracted to you as a woman wants you to be stupid, it’s that he’s looking for the instinctive, female response of sexuality.

    An alpha male who’s truly comfortable in his own skin and who largely makes his own rules doesn’t care at that point about your class, education or raw intelligence. The subsequent discovery of other factors of compatibility is where relationships blossom out of affairs. For most such men, I think raw intelligence is probably more important than class or formal education, because that’s the hottie who will pick things up quickly and learn to fit into his life.

    What no self-respecting man wants is any feminist nonsense of the various forms peddled over the past 50 years. A woman’s success in attracting men is inversely proportional to her exposure to women’s studies departments, and their myrmidons in the humanities and social sciences.

    You may have a point that few men would speak as bluntly to you in person as many have here.

    In your PS to Lara, you are overthinking. If you’re an attractive woman, who happens to be smart, you should be attractive in ways that are comfortable for you — that might be ‘classic’ or glamorous or whatever. It may also take some getting in touch with yourself as disengaged from your mind as possible to know what you’re really comfortable with – everyone’s different. Be that hot woman, put yourself in positions to meet as wide a variety of men as possible, and you should be fine.

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  214. Namae, could you write in prose please? It’s not easy to interpret parts of sentences.

    Your last point made me laugh. You fail to understand that beauty is a relative concept. If all men were beautiful, then beauty would be mundane and therefore not beauty. Nonetheless, there are both intelligent and handsome men, beautiful even. In the 19th century it was acceptable to describe men as beautiful too.

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  215. on May 30, 2011 at 4:03 pm namae nanka

    “It’s not so much that brains and beauty are mutually exclusive – that’s a mistake in categories – but that they speak to different parts, as it were.”

    “I think a woman can be considered attractive as well as intelligent. ”

    Her pointless assertion was against a strawman. Beauty and brains can of course exist in the same individual, but cannot assuage the lack of one.
    Surely it’s a disappointment to find out that a beautiful woman is extremely dumb, like finding out that a handsome guy is a hopeless beta herb but it’s solipsism to go roundabout trying to rationalize it.

    “You fail to understand that beauty is a relative concept. ”

    Yes dear, whatever you say.

    “In the 19th century it was acceptable to describe men as beautiful too.”

    if only nerds could gain beauty at expense of some intelligence…ah, one can dream.

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  216. on May 30, 2011 at 4:05 pm namae nanka

    “If all men were beautiful, then beauty would be mundane and therefore not beauty. ”

    noo you don’t get a thing about beauty, the right argument is if all women show legs, your showing leg would be pointless, otoh if you show tits too…

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  217. Cato, it’s nice to read a refined and well-tempered reply to my points without all the speculation and bs chatter about my personal life. Thanks.

    You make interesting points but I would disagree that feminism is all nonsense. It’s allowed me to have an education and given me a profession, which I am very grateful for. When you have a daughter, you would want her to be academically gifted and fulfil her potential, would you not? Rather, I think ‘feminism’ gets a bad wrap as an image of a condescending, crazy, career spinster with cats (4Cs?!) on this site. It doesn’t necessarily have to be the case. A woman can have a balance of feminism (professional and opinionated) as well as traditional views (husband, kids, suburban life etc.). A balance I am trying to work out…probably a concept many readers will be skeptical of. I can but try.

    I agree, it’s best for a woman to be comfortable and be herself. In that mindset she will present herself in her most attractive light.

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  218. 20 bucks says Vivi is no higher than a 6.

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  220. on May 30, 2011 at 4:29 pm namae nanka

    “It’s allowed me to have an education and given me a profession”

    lmao it’s men who did it. That’s both the nonsense and brilliance of it.

    “When you have a daughter, you would want her to be academically gifted and fulfil her potential, would you not?”

    I’d rather have a son with a wife barefoot and in the kitchen.

    “Rather, I think ‘feminism’ gets a bad wrap as an image of a condescending, crazy, career spinster with cats (4Cs?!) on this site. ”

    it’s much worse than that.

    you can start here:

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  221. on May 30, 2011 at 4:29 pm Original JB

    “A woman can have a balance of feminism (professional and opinionated) as well as traditional views (husband, kids, suburban life etc.). A balance I am trying to work out…probably a concept many readers will be skeptical of.”

    That very concept of “balance” is feminist bullshit, so your argument here is that you can have a balance of feminism and traditionalism because feminism tells you so.

    But what if feminism is wrong, and the reason you are “trying” is because it isn’t natural to put a square peg into a round hole? And you wind up with the worst of both worlds?

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  222. JR, why do you give a shit? Is it because the concept of an attractive woman who disagrees with you might rock the foundations of your gamewashed ego?

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  223. on May 30, 2011 at 4:35 pm rebelliousvanilla

    [email protected] May 30, 2011 at 6:30 am, nailed it completely. In my teenage years, I was just the person he is describing and was thinking along the lines Vivi does. Thanks God I woke up at 20 and will avoid the lonely life in order to brag about how well I do in some sterile office.

    Vivi, women can be both intelligent and attractive. It’s just that 95.8% of us that are attractive, don’t really bother with anything else.

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  224. Vivi
    One pitfall inherent in beginning a conversation online or otherwise with a prononcement about how smart you are is that everytime you thereafter say something dumb, it makes your audience doubt everything else you have said – moreso than if you left the matter alone.
    You are massively wrong about “beauty”. It is not relative at all-for guys; just unlikely in the scheme of things. If all women were slim, well porportioned, and with pretty faces guys everywhere would say, “They are all 10s! God be praised!”
    It is only females who see the scale of attractiveness as a zero sum heirachy.
    You could have asked, by the way. Guys here would have graciously answered your questions about beauty (in their eyes).
    Instead, you went straight to dumb, after telling us how smart you were.
    At least you seem young enough to change.

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  225. I won’t dismiss all aspects of feminism, but the “you can have it all” message is definitely nonsense. Women are conditioned to think they want all of that, but in practice they find that it’s exhausting, and not the least bit fulfilling. Once women get it, they find they don’t want it all.

    rebelliousvanilla touches on another important point. Attractive women get used to the attention they get, and the doors that get opened to them because of their looks, even if they aren’t consciously using their looks. If all qualifications are equal, you can rest assured that the more attractive woman will get the nod. Sure, you want to be “respected” or “taken seriously” for your abilities and intellect, physical attractiveness can’t be eliminated as a factor behind some of those “opportunities.” Some of those women won’t bother to develop themselves in other areas, because they’ve always be able to smile their way to wherever they want to go. This is why most women would rather work under a male boss than a female.

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  226. Vivi: “Rather, I think ‘feminism’ gets a bad wrap as an image of a condescending, crazy, career spinster with cats (4Cs?!) on this site.”

    No, it gets a ‘bad wrap’ because it has a destructive impact on the societies which embrace it. It isn’t just an ‘image’, it is a worldview. It’s nothing new; it has been tried before in history, and, as with all ideologies based in fantasy as opposed to reality, the results weren’t pretty.

    It also isn’t the reason for your education/profession.

    Vivi: “When you have a daughter, you would want her to be academically gifted and fulfil her potential, would you not?”

    It wouldn’t matter whether she be academically gifted or not, I would want her to fulfill her TRUE potential as a female: becoming a capable mother and valued family member. Those things should have priority.

    Anyway, how does this involve feminism? What about all the tens of millions of females who are most certainly NOT academically gifted? Are they not allowed to become feminists?

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  227. Ok Rum…so your definition of intelligent is ‘thinks like a man’. Wow. It’s like saying ‘There are no female intellectuals because in order to be an intellectual you can’t be female.’

    I don’t believe that if all women were slim and attractive you wouldn’t find other faults to distinguish them. 10/10 is a scale isn’t it? You are using it. JR wants to take bets on it. Although I don’t know why he gives a shit.

    You’re ironic without trying to be funny.

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  228. Rum – you’re definition of intelligent is ‘thinks like a man’. Irony?

    JR – why do you give a shit if I’m a 6?

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  229. Vivi: I never said I gave a shit. I was just willing to make a bet.

    Pretty simple.

    The definition of intelligence is fairly straightforward. Are you aware of it?

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  230. Viv

    No. Intelligence is not a matter of “thinking like a man”. But if you are a woman it does have something to do with having a fucking clue in the world about how men think.

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  231. I think you’d need to ask each individual woman how they define feminism, because the greater conflict is between women, as opposed to with men. Women that choose to stay home and raise families are criticized by working women for frittering away opportunities that were fought for, while women that stay home criticize working women for being selfish and neglecting their families. Women themselves cut each other throats – they’re a greater threat to “feminism” than men will ever be. What was once about choice and opportunity has become something else, and created tons of conflict.

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  232. Vivi said :

    You make interesting points but I would disagree that feminism is all nonsense. It’s allowed me to have an education and given me a profession, which I am very grateful for.

    Fail. Men were never systematically blocking women from these things.

    You have bought into a multitude of feminist lies. Feminism creates a myth of female oppression in order to push for the radical female supremacism it wants.

    You are too far gone, woman.

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  233. Vivi actually believes that before feminism, men were systematically oppressing women from education and jobs.

    They were not. That is one of many feminist lies.

    Vivi thinks she is not a feminist, but she is one. She is a lost cause.

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  234. Vivi: “Educated women have to work in an environment with a lot of arrogant men who enter a pissing contest all day.”

    If you meet ten assholes in a day, you are the asshole, not them. Most people will treat you fine, and leave you alone, just don’t expect them to do more for you than you have a right to expect.

    And that actually is the problem most professional women have: they expect men to do more for them than they should. Most guys who make it in the professions typically do so by offering value, and then they are accepted as peers. Most women want to be seen as peers, and fail to understand that first they need to show the value.

    Put simply, guys want to have the skills and abilities to operate as a peer, and ultimately end up with the title. Women want to be seen as a peer, thinking that will help them develop the skills and abilities. Women get it backwards, and then call the men assholes for not helping or recognizing them as peers.

    Vivi, speaking in an avuncular role for a moment, as a man who will only accept a woman with very high intelligence (i.e., elite schools PhD *science* grad types; English lit majors and lawyers need not apply), I can tell you I appreciate women with brains.

    That said, you come across poorly in these exchanges. You you sound truculent, not confident.

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  235. @ Vivi

    I work in a investment bank and I can attest to this post. I wrote extensively a couple years ago about a boss who is extremely wealthy and great businessman but married to some old (30+) hag because at 30 himself he needed marrying. First, for his career. Second, because he was short on friends and had no one to go out. SO he married a sex-and-the-city mindset women well past her 30s and he worked long hours to avoid getting early at home, what would inevitably lead to arguments with her

    This case isn’t exactly what’s being described here, but I know lots of cases of wealthy and young guys unable to relate to girls who end up alone or in bad marriages and become workaholics because of that

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  236. Anyway, it is amazing how any new girl who appears here with some conventional-wisdom opinon quickly becomes the center of attention.

    This post became flatter-vivi mode ON a hundred comments ago

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  237. on May 30, 2011 at 6:23 pm Corporal Hicks

    I agree. Any bull-dyke Americhick who is dumb enough to post here deserves to be utterly ignored.

    Check that.

    Ignore ALL Ameriwhales, period.

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  238. I think Vivi has held her own pretty well here.
    Corporal Hicks,
    Okay we get it you haven’t had much success with American women. Get over it.

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  239. My advice to Vivi is to not aim for the most successful men, but to go for men a little less successful than she is. Her accomplishments are probably going to have more weight with a man who isn’t super alpha himself.

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  240. on May 30, 2011 at 6:59 pm Original JB

    “And that actually is the problem most professional women have: they expect men to do more for them than they should. Most guys who make it in the professions typically do so by offering value, and then they are accepted as peers. Most women want to be seen as peers, and fail to understand that first they need to show the value.”

    Case in point: every shitty girl-rock band has had this attitude.

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  241. on May 30, 2011 at 7:07 pm Original JB

    “As for intelligence, I think what usually happens is that modern women who have above average intelligence tend to use it in adversarial ways which produce unnecessary conflict/division, and so it becomes a negative trait in terms of attractiveness.”

    The Last Vegas condenses this idea into two lines:

    “Smart girls talk like I’ve never seen
    But they know too much about being mean”

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  242. Xsplat, only too true regarding disposition > intelligence.

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  243. Oh, doesn’t every man in an LTR look forward to a few hours of “The Taming of the Shrew” when he gets home?

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  244. on May 30, 2011 at 7:51 pm namae nanka

    “When you have a daughter, you would want her to be academically gifted and fulfil her potential, would you not?”

    it’s such a fabulously ironic line when women’s “independence” and their well-being is measured against their own men-folk, i.e. brothers, fathers and sons, conveniently disguised as patriarchy.
    Women won their independence against the patriarchy, they got their vote by making some men vote to give them the vote….
    ta-da, so much more efficient than stupid men blowing each others limbs off.

    It is disgustingly pitiably stupid.

    A woman who thinks she is intelligent demands equal rights with men. A woman who _is_ intelligent does not.

    “My advice to Vivi is to not aim for the most successful men, but to go for men a little less successful than she is. ”

    All in good time.

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  245. Congratulations to vivi for being the latest feminist to successfully troll the comment thread. Judging by the number of responses – well done! It’s every troll’s wet dream to get so many replies, including this one.

    I liked it better when we just talked about how to get laid.

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  246. on May 30, 2011 at 8:35 pm CatoRenasci

    Vivi, you simply don’t get it about feminism. It may raise your self-esteem, but self-esteem is bullshit. Self-respect, which comes from actual accomplishment is what’s real. Feminism did not enable you to have a career or an education – both were available long before the modern feminist movement. At most, it gave you some affirmative action in admissions and a place within the university where you could suspend reality and pretend you were big and strong. The women I knew at university did not need that crap to succeed.

    As to daughters, I have two, both of whom turn heads, have serious musical talent, and very good minds. One of them dabbled in feminism at university. It definitely made her less interesting to men, and, frankly, less rigorous mentally and less interesting for me to have a serious conversation with. If anything, feminism has diminished her. The other pursued more rigorous studies, while also pursuing an active social life in a good sorority. Both seem to be doing just fine, now, but we’ll see how they sort themselves out.

    As a graduate student, I read most of the seminal work of modern feminism from the ’50s through the ’70s, and the older psychological and anthropological work on which it was based, like Bachofen. I can’t recommend much of it. Most feminist theory has all of the faults of Marxism and smacks of the worst faults of the Puritans. My grandmother, who had been a real suffragette in the years leading up to the 19th Amendment, saw some of it in her last years and thought the ’60s feminists were out of their minds.

    You can’t balance feminism and traditional views because feminism is a way of looking at the world, gender, and the relations between men and women. It is completely incompatible with traditional view and values. That’s not to say you can’t have ideas and aspirations, or that you can’t achieve them. But, nothing for nothing, at various points in your life you will have to make choices that involve conflicts between what your body and emotions are telling you as a woman, and other goals.

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  247. Vivi is obviously young.

    She’ll learn. It’s not quite what she expects, out there, in that naked jungle.

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  248. on May 30, 2011 at 9:09 pm CatoRenasci

    Lara wrote: “My advice to Vivi is to not aim for the most successful men, but to go for men a little less successful than she is. Her accomplishments are probably going to have more weight with a man who isn’t super alpha himself”

    So she can feel superior to some schlub? Vivi shouldn’t “aim” for anyone in particular; she should simply be the most attractive, fun, hot woman she can be, and let everything seek its own level.

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  249. As far as intelligence goes–

    For getting laid, stupid is fine. Can go over pretty well.

    For getting properly hot – you need beauty and brains.

    Above a certain threshold, brains start to count. That threshold is different for every guy.

    Below that threshold – do I get hard by looking at her? – Brains don’t compensate for lack of beauty.

    Above that threshold – I get pretty hard because she’s sexy – then brains can make a 9 seem more like a 7, and a 7 seem more like an 8.

    But despite what the fembots want to think, as far as any man I’ve ever know is concerned, pretty much it works like this:

    – Pass a threshold.

    – For stellar personality (nice, charming, patient, kind): ad +1

    – For superior bitchitude and cuntiness: -1

    – For the same level of intelligence or slightly higher than the man *AND* curiosity: +1 for the right kind of man

    – WAAAY smarter than the man: Unusual. Rarely, if ever, happens. Why? Not because men hate it: not because they’re intimidated. They feel that the woman will get bored or the woman herself will reject it. The man intuitively knows this.

    – For extreme stupidity (say, 25-40 IQ points lower than the man): -1 for some guys; many guys won’t care.

    But no man will choose a smart 6 or 5 over a less smart 7 or 8 under normal circumstances.

    A woman’s sexual market value is pretty much wholly in her youth and beauty. It only gets shaped up and down on the margins.

    Women with hot careers or who are, say, fat but super smart: you can console yourself however you want, but brains, beyond a certain point, are just not sexy to a guy.

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  250. But when you add brains, and hotness–

    then you get some uppage in the marketplace.

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  251. “…So she can feel superior to some schlub? ”

    Exactly. It’s called settling. She’ll grow bored with him in short order, then resent him for not being everything she always wanted.

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  252. My guy happen to be in the right place at the right time. hee! hee! It’s destiny!!! 🙂

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  253. Vivi could be a troll, but the schizo world view easily makes it plausible that it truly is a dumb young girl. Unlike other blogs where engaging a troll is seen as shameful, when a blog on game offers up a practice target for establishing alpha arguments or practicing negs, you can roll without losing your super important internet cred.

    Vivi addresses condescending posters that mask their contempt with polite advice or “suspended disbelief” of “her” internet claims, but those posters always followed with criticisms. Very typical of most females to not know when they are being openly mocked to their face, and to in fact mistake it for some sort of fucked up Survivor type alliance. Any port in a storm, the small comfort for a woman after seeing her words parroted and quoted in a crowd are enough to keep her around. Though if it is a troll and not a woman the consistency would be one give away.

    Usually women drunkenly stumble about conversations high on the attention and power of being part of the group. It becomes very transparent when a male they view as less than worthy opens his poor beta trap to parrot an earlier opinion of hers and is then slapped down hard with a contradictory shit test. His poor logical mind stumbles about this obvious contradiction and what he thought was a sure thing, his poor rat brain can’t handle the shit test and maybe he shuts down or maybe he sullenly and resentfully spits back that she said the same thing earlier. It doesn’t matter, he’s already lost hand.

    However Vivi came here and spouted credentials and ran into the midst of it. That early self qualification, followed up with plenty of shit tests and a consistent argument points towards one thing. The argument strategy of sticking to your guns in the face of any and all evidence presented. Attractive women that are also intelligent sometimes love to argue and shit test, poking and prodding and pulling 180s that they justify with inane emotional reasoning. A persistent man can stick it out and ride out the boring storm to get the bang, followed up with complete radio silence the morning after and into eternity to show his total contempt for her brainy ways.

    For the most part the chateau posters have responded admirably. Outright insults, questioning qualifications, starting conversations with other posters immediately after Vivi makes a post directed at them. But there is no bang to be had here, and Vivi is clearly not that intelligent. Come on, referring to better times when feminine women were allowed to refer to men as beautiful? Though Vivi didn’t claim they were better times, by referencing the use of language during a patriarchal driven society against that of free for all anarchist hedonists unleashed by feminism, there is really no way to take that seriously.

    It’s been said before but it bears repeating, “You get the men you deserve.”

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  254. Left unanswered is the question: does a college education make for a better mother and superior children?

    Back in the good old days, women went to college to pick up their “MRS” degree. That seems out of date for most females today since the indoctrination is careerist.

    Barring that indoctrination, a healthy woman with good breeding should be better at cultural transmission to a man’s children.

    Unfortunately, I don’t see it in the women I know. A good hearted woman can be ruined by college and a girl with a HS diploma or maybe some community college might be the better bet.

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  255. So vivi, since you claim to be hot, smart and well advanced on the career ladder, how about backing this up with a pic and some description of what you do professionally?

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  256. Ladies, forget college and university and take up
    WIFE Studies.

    Washing Ironing Fucking Etcetera.

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  257. @namae
    “noo you don’t get a thing about beauty, the right argument is if all women show legs, your showing leg would be pointless, otoh if you show tits too…”

    Showing tits has two points.

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  258. This is a pretty dumb article to be honest.

    Only dumb men with high education and high status would MARRY a hot dumb blonde who works as a waitress.

    Marriage is a business deal and intelligent people look for a business partner that will provide the most long term financial, and emotional benefits, not just short term hot sex with a broad.

    Arnold married Maria not because she was the hottest girl he could find because she definitely was not. He married her because of her family’s prestige. This is the same reason why in the past royalties married other royalties not just some peasants.

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  259. on May 30, 2011 at 11:21 pm Bridge Builder

    Ok let me describe my situation for yalls keen analysis. I am an engineer, albeit a very highly educated one who can talk to girls well when I get the chance.

    I never get the chance. I work long hours in an office that has never seen a woman rated above a 6 ever. in college I was literally famous for getting the best looking girls around. I would hear guys I didn’t know recounting my exploits at a party. I was at the bar 5 nights a week and then had saw em all walking to class and at parties. Too easy, because I was good, and they were there.

    That being said, I have literally no interest in any girl below an 8. just brings back a case of raging oneitis (Or maybe fiveitis or sixitis would be more accurate) life came at me fast. Here I am, on top and still climbing, halfway up fortune 500 without a decent looking single female in sight.

    I can only watch as they all get married and their clock ticks . Problem is, I wouldn’t mind having one share my bed every night. The 10.5 at the wedding last weekend was terrific, but 1000 miles away now. He’ll even the Hooters outside of town is 45 to an hour away, weekend trip.

    Do I just go to Hooters and snag one? Bring her back to the city? Find some fucking shining armor and a horse and trek 1000 miles?

    Not asking for much here, prob just start golfing near the hooters on Saturday’s and make a new group of friends. Who cares what those dough-faced daddy money pigeons who might be a 5 say? I live in a big town should be options, but have seen much in the couple years I been here above 7.

    What you think? Have I created a desert in an oasis?

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  260. Whitehall said: “Back in the good old days, women went to college to pick up their “MRS” degree.”

    Some of that hasn’t changed. For the first three to three and half years (a few years back, when I went, at least) they ignored “husband material” (LJBF) for guys who were “a lot of fun” (could make ’em cum in six different positions, get angry & tie ’em to the bed with the telephone cord, get ’em alcohol, etc.). Then, in the last six months to a year, would go back through their run of “fun” guys to see who they could “change” into husband material (you know, graduation’s coming up) because that’s who they knew. Pretty much, if you didn’t meet ’em when you were a Freshman, you wouldn’t be with ’em when you were a Senior. (That’s the college scene… if you weren’t into date rape, binge drinking, drugs, homosexuality or jackin’ off, then you didn’t have much fun. I doubt it’s any better with today’s hook-up culture.)

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  261. Ya, but Jay, most men aren’t in the business of politics, and so the wifes social standing has little influence on his life.

    It is a rare situation in which a mans business prospects are improved or influenced by the social standing of his wife. As long as she isn’t an obvious whore, and as long as you aren’t voted into your public position based on social standing, nobody pays much attention to your wife. They look at the man and his deeds.

    I’m an employer, and I’ve never asked to meet the wives of my employees. I don’t examine resumes for marital status. I have more important qualifications.

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  262. xsplat said: “It is a rare situation in which a mans business prospects are improved or influenced by the social standing of his wife. As long as she isn’t an obvious whore, and as long as you aren’t voted into your public position based on social standing, nobody pays much attention to your wife.”

    Yup, this is not 19th Century England. There/then, it would; here/now, no.

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  263. on May 31, 2011 at 2:26 am j4cksincl4ir

    The female romantic imperative teaches that the greater the social gap, the more romantic the tale.

    Consider the scene from “Officer and a Gentleman” when Richard Gere carries his amour out of the factory. Then there is Cinderella who nets herself a Prince Charming not nice guy Buttons (Prince Charming doesn’t choose the feminist ugly sisters either).

    The problem is that these scenes require social inequality in order that women’s romantic imperative of hypergamy can function. In the past, the romance required a certain amount or total sexual restraint by the woman before marriage.

    With this in mind, can anyone see the problem of Prince Charming or Richard Gere choosing the career-minded Sex and the City high mileage girl in her late 20s/ 30s or the faculty PhD spinster?

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  264. With this in mind, can anyone see the problem of Prince Charming or Richard Gere choosing the career-minded Sex and the City high mileage girl in her late 20s/ 30s or the faculty PhD spinster?

    Raising hand “Oh – oh! Pick me! I know!”

    It’s because a man trades his status for youth and beauty!

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  265. I should admit many include chasteness as an asset that they trade for. Youth, chasteness, and beauty.

    Not all of us are into that, but I must admit many are.

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  266. on May 31, 2011 at 4:26 am j4cksincl4ir

    I don’t expect to marry a virgin but the reality is that many young women at college these days are into their double figures by 20.

    I returned to university as an older student so I wasn’t immediately seen as marriage material and I had more game than the younger men. I found out just how prolific college girls are and how most college boys live in hope of “getting lucky”. This came as a shock to me at the start I admit.

    Remember after college, it is the Sex and the City phase, then the “I’m not that type of girl” phase towards the late-20s which most 30-year old nice guys buy with commitment strings attached.

    A 22-year old college girl whom I’m dating (I’m 34) has had 16 hook-ups. That type of score was totally beyond me when I was 22. She says that she’d feel uncomfortable being with a man who has had less lovers than she – hence why she is with yours truly.

    When she decides to get married to a man slightly older than she is after Sex and the City, she’ll have to lie and hide her past like the women before her. Her friends will conspire to ensure that the designated eligible bachelor is none-the-wiser and should he dare to enquire as to her past, he’ll be reminded that gentleman ask not such questions to a lady.

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  267. Speaking of Richard Gere, look at the popularity with the female audience of “Pretty Woman”

    Delusional Hamster Spin Par Excellance.

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  268. New European laws make it criminal to view sexy images of anyone who could possibly be considered under 18:

    http://theantifeminist.com/swedish-manga-fan-becomes-first-victim-sweden-virtual-child-porn-laws/

    Note the liberals on the US Supreme Court (with Justice Anthony) struck down a similar law 7 or 8 years ago.

    The White Knighter “conservative” justices thought this kind of law was a good thing.

    That shows how fucked American men (as well as European men) are going to be soon.

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  269. Beware of the female ego.

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  270. Great discussion on the unholy alliance between gay males and feminists (and of course, all those “social conservatives” who would consider a 40 year gay man more acceptable than a 40 year old hetero man who has sex with a 17 year old female):

    http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/05/31/gay-rights-and-the-myth-of-sexual-tolerance/

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  271. Xplat, there’s a lot of room between having suicidal depressions and wow to become a lawyercunt to rid the world of man kind and NEVER be depressed. Sounds like you identified a mentally disqualified mate, good on you, but she seems abnormal. If you take the numbers for life prevalence suicidal depressions in women with IQs over 150, I doubt you’d get a very impressive number based on what I’ve read. But who’s not dense and never depressed? Happens, but it’s not the rule IMO.

    Very intelligent women seem to have a lot of different hangups the way I see them, including episodes of depression. But it’s just part of their intelligence, you can’t substitute it if you want smart women. Also, smarter women, on average, will stay hotter a lot longer.

    And, and I can’t believe people aren’t mentioning it, it means you’ll get smart, good looking kids. Some of my smarter mates have been procreating with some slightly below average intelligence “good looking” women, and boy the results are not good. There’s just something wrong when you take one look at the kid and see, ok, he’s going to be less intelligent and uglier than your friend his father, because his father married a stupid, superficially good looking girl, and her family all looks like shit and she has a skull the size of a grapefruit behind her sub standard intelligence face she hides in all her fucking hair.

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  272. on May 31, 2011 at 6:30 am Horatio Sanchez

    j4cksincl4ir, I take it that you don’t buy the claim that the average woman has three lifetime sex partners. Certainly not college wimmin.

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  273. Let’s take a look at what the US would be like if Justice Kennedy had been replaced by a woman on the Supreme Court 10 years ago instead of staying healthy and working on:

    In the 2 major VAWA decisions, if one vote had gone the other way,

    the “Colorado” decision would have meant that men with restraining orders needed to be incarcerated or wear leg braces, because it would have been established that the “authorities” were responsible for anything he might do to the woman or her kids or cats if he violated the restraining order.

    the “Pennsylvania” decision would have established that, if a man is acquitted or found “not guilty” of rape in a state court, the woman could proceed to getting him retried in federal court (or the decision would have made rape a federal crime in the first place – does anyone know that detail)?

    And, of course, if one vote had gone the other way, the “Child Porn Act” would have been “word for word” upheld and the film “American Beauty” would be banned for distribution in the USA including criminal charges for anyone found to have the film on their laptop (along with any manga photos or photos of anyone wearing a school-girl uniform or photos of a niece or nephew in the bath tub or at the beach with their mom).

    Quite honestly, to avoid the gestapo in case the SC decisions had gone the other way, US men would have already abandoned the use of hard drives and used something like Google Chrome computers with server accounts outside the US.

    These are just 3 decisions I can think of off the top of my head where Justice Kennedy was the only voice of reason on the Supreme Court. The US would be a very different place now if this man had not been working for us.

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  274. on May 31, 2011 at 7:21 am j4cksincl4ir

    @Horatio Sanchez, I would believe that with religious college-educated women. Not so, with the regular ones.

    @Anonymous, I wouldn’t be surprised if laws are passed that make men of eligible bachelor age (late-20s and above) 2nd class paedophiles for dating women in their late teens and early 20s. Some women my age have tried that one on me (the same women who rejected me for being immature in my late-teens/ early 20s of course).

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  275. Gloria Allred is at it again.

    In this photo-shopped photo (not her body and her face from 20 years ago), she poses in a sexy flapper uniform that an Atlantic City resort wants casino workers to wear to attract a more youthful male clientele:

    http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/31/gloria-allred-lawsuit-atlantic-city-resorts-casino-cocktail-servers-sex-age-race-discrimination/

    The casino had fired some women who were getting old and weren’t sexy enough.

    Gloria Allred wants to make this illegal and seeks “redress” (pun intended) for the harm done to the egos of the women fired.

    What’s sad is that her plan, like always, is to get the corporation to settle out of court.

    The corporation will buckle. Mark my words.

    This, unfortunately, will not get to the US Supreme Court.

    Or should I say, fortunately?

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  276. It’s always fascinating when I read articles basing situational comparisons on exaggerated archetypes. The CEO or the IT entrepreneur and the “hot waitress” and “lawyer-cunts” are caricatures used to illustrate a point. And while they have their uses, how many of us really identify with either? Most of us aren’t CEOs or entrepreneurs of any stripe, and honestly, most waitresses I’ve seen recently are the same women I see in the gym trying to lose their “divorce fat”.

    The bigger message here is how dating “preferences” are developed. Any ‘study’ on the subject will always be implicitly corollary (speed dating stats? really?) The uncomfortable truth that this study ignores is that most human “preferences” develop from prior rewards. While limiting dating options in the form of situational occurrences has merit, it doesn’t address options limited by personal conditions. Show me a guy who “prefers” fucking Cougars, Single-mommies or Chubbies and I’ll show you a guy who’s most consistent sexual experiences were rewarded by Cougars, Single-mommies or Chubbies. Past successes influence future preferences.

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  277. Gloria Allred’s mission is to get her clients paid. Period. She’s not looking to right some great wrong. She turns any and all women into victims, and seeks to get men to pay them for their “pain.” She’s the consummate media/attention whore and ambulance chaser. This is a woman that represented a couple of Tiger Woods’ pump ‘n dumps, and sought payment for one to keep her story out of the tabloids, and another (a porn “star”) because Tiger “broke her heart.” She’s a professional golddigger, but women like to paint her as some kind of feminist icon and champion. She never has ANY intention of seeing any of these cases make it to a courtroom. She wants to have press conferences, then move it to a conference room somewhere to negotiate payment.

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  278. No man “prefers” cougars, single moms, or chubbies.

    Men run after those when they figure out that those women are easiest and need the smallest amont of game to hook up with.

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  279. Cougars, single moms and chubbies are slumpbusters. Women you bang in between more primo honeys. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Those women need to get broken off too. In fact, cougars are good to keep for side action even if you have a steady girl. But if that’s ALL you’re pulling, it’s probably because you’re too scared to step up in class.

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  280. on May 31, 2011 at 10:42 am CatoRenasci

    “No man “prefers” cougars, single moms, or chubbies.

    Men run after those when they figure out that those women are easiest and need the smallest amont of game to hook up with.”

    Or, as the guys used to say in the locker room: ‘you get more when you settle for less.’

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  281. on May 31, 2011 at 10:42 am namae nanka

    “Attractive women that are also intelligent sometimes love to argue and shit test, poking and prodding and pulling 180s that they justify with inane emotional reasoning.”

    That “if your daughter/mother/sister” line doesn’t get old. Daughter to her full potential? But can you can get custody after divorce?

    “It’s been said before but it bears repeating, “You get the men you deserve.””

    They take away from men the means to tick off the items on their interminable qualifications list, and then demand more. More of what exactly? Housework?
    Teach a man to fish and he will get a wife and family, teach a woman to fish and she will get smug and fat. With cats.

    Vivi just an useful idiot who mindlessly repeats the idiotic notion that the rag-tag bunch of loonies who came traipsing around and put “for women too” label makes them the creator of women’s opportunities and not men who created those edifices in the first place. Instead of being thankful to men, they berate them of not doing enough And the shameless way of moving into men’s places and asking them to make the experience a pleasant affair makes women worthy of any respect?

    “Beware of the female ego.”

    They simply can’t accept truth.

    The older girls get, the worse they perform on standardized tests, especially if they were educated in co-ed schools. Boys’ scores improve, even though girls continue to earn better grades, as reported in the American Association of University Women study. By high school girls are about 40 points behind boys on the SAT college exams. In AP science and math exams, girls score 50 to 80 points below boys even though they may have earned better grades in the courses.

    By age 22, female college graduates score 125 points behind men on Graduate Record Exams. Many feminists believe SAT, GRE and the AP tests are unfair to women, and do not accurately predict future academic success.

    Boys tend to get more of the highest scores on the SAT and PSAT, which are currently being challenged in gender discrimination lawsuits. Since National Merit Scholarship money is doled out on the basis of the PSAT test, boys have in the past earned as much as two times the scholarship money based on this test as girls. Last year boys took 60% of these scholarships.

    Girls consistently earn better grades than boys in all school years including college, regardless of their social economic status. Yet even girls with excellent marks perceive themselves as less smart than boys with average grades.

    http://www.girlslearndifferently.com/middleschool.php

    all about letting the girls to reach their full potential, potential what? god knows. Give them self-esteem boosts so that they don’t believe that grades don’t really make up for smarts or that boys will finally outgrow them and female supremacy will get challenged. Bury the standardized exams as hidden discrimination so that there can be no doubts that female sex is better.
    Self-esteem of boys during all these years? Screw that.
    Leave aside Title IX cutting out men’s teams, and thus depriving them of “full potential”, they can’t get over the fact that there aren’t enough women in STEM.
    And of course it’s men’s fault.

    The forward thinking of feminist dogma-

    wife at home: lost talent, damn you patriarchal neanderthal
    wife at work: not enough housework being done by male
    wife earns more: she’s the man, U-S-A teh women’s nation
    wife earns less: wage gap!! oh noezz discrimination!

    Madness? this is feministas!!

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  282. on May 31, 2011 at 11:10 am Beer Monkey

    There are guys who prefer old women.

    One of my best friends was dating a 50-year old at 30. Now, at 40, he’s living with a 70 year old. He definitely has the ability to get younger girls.

    He has some kind of fucked up mommy issues. Total Oedipal complex. He actually gets hard at the sight of bingo wings.

    But this is pretty rare. I’ll agree that most people who date fatties and old hags are simply lazy or lacking confidence.

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  283. Ironically, it’s part of this blog’s philosophy for men to settle for less. Otherwise, any man who is below an 8 himself would ditch pure game for other or hybrid strategies in order to get a 10 (hybrid strategies work well). Game can only get you someone 2 pts higher on the looks scale from yourself and, as you get older than your prime, you will fall on the looks scale just like women will, only more slowly. QED purist PUAs will expect to constantly settle for less as they get older.

    But that’s common sense most readers over 30 have already factored in when they read this blog.

    OT but has Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, really been destroyed by people of a certain race?

    http://www.thesunnews.com/2011/05/31/2191533/mb-police-inundated-with-crime.html

    I didn’t know it was possible to be robbed at gunpoint or knifed (for no reason as an anti-white intimidation measure) on a sand dune there. Is that normal?

    I have never heard of that type of impolite behavior on European beaches.

    I wonder what race it is that was causing the trouble but the article was not specifying…

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  284. 15 Mexican police officers now have their names published and they will be fired because they convinced a slut to do a strip tease in order to get off a minor drug possession bust charge:

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/wpix-woman-forced-to-strip-for-tijuana-police-officers-warning-graphic-video-20110525,0,1932058.story

    Does anyone have the backstory on this? If they arrested her just so they could say “Do a strip to avoid jail time” that’s not cool because they could arrest you and your girlfriend for the same reason while you’re in Mexico. But this girl was apparently a local hooker who clearly didn’t mind the incident.

    What was the news announcer saying in Spanish?

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  285. I’m not really a feminist…

    …. I am a fan of irony

    yes.

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  286. the madness!!!

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  287. Here’s more on the huge German fake rape trial that’s been going on the past year and a few months (keep in mind that this is like Jay Leno being arrested for rape on an obviously fake charge by a bitter woman he dumped):

    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15118786,00.html

    The judge strongly criticized the behavior of defense lawyer Johann Schwenn. Schwenn was said to have shown a lack of respect for the court during the trial.

    Sounds like a hero to me. Disrespect for a German judge/court that put an obviously innocent man (Kachelmann) in jail for 4 months and dragged this fake rape accusation nonsense on for more than a year?

    Great write-up here:

    http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism/unproven-rape-allegations-weatherman-joerg-kachelmann

    and here:

    http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism/jorg-kachelmann-rape-case-germany-useless-court-excursion-to-switzerland

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  288. on May 31, 2011 at 1:17 pm Ave Veritas

    A woman ‘intimidating’ a man with her intelligence? LOL. Sounds like the hamster is in hyperdrive on that one. They’re not trying to fuck me so it must be that I scare them w my intellect and not my grotesquely swollen body.

    And no, women can not compete with men mentally either.

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  289. German video describes the Fake Rape Case of Kachelmann, the German equivalent of Jay Leno who was accused of raping his 37 year old girlfriend the day she found out that he was cheating on her with many other women and broke up with her:

    http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/1346636/Schuldig-im-Namen-der-Schlagzeile#/beitrag/video/1346636/Schuldig-im-Namen-der-Schlagzeile

    Note the way they keep showing his face with the accuser’s face fuzzed out. How fair is that. His life is ruined by this but she can’t be recognized.

    Note also at 4:50 the feminist announcer is saying, in all seriousness, that one big reason to believe he was guilty is that he was dating and having sex with a lot of other women at the time.

    In other words, the main reason to believe he was innocent, that he had plenty of other options and she was being an angry bitch after having just learned that he was cheating on her, transforms in the small minds of German feminists into a reason to believe he was guilty of raping her when she got angry about his having other girlfriends.

    And this German announcer started the video pretending she wanted to be fair and look at the pros and cons of his presumed innocence.

    Any culture that is even mildly fair to men would have thrown this case out of court the month she made the fake charges.

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  290. feminism = death

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  291. Check out CH 1.5 years ahead of the curve on the benefits of not smiling when picking up women:

    http://bodyodd.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/24/6709623-want-to-catch-a-ladys-eye-dont-smile-study-says

    “Want to catch a lady’s eye? Don’t smile, study says”

    “Women are actually less sexually attracted to smiley, happy men, suggests a new University of British Columbia study, published online today in the journal Emotion. If that’s surprising to you — it was surprising to lead researcher Jessica Tracy, too. “I wouldn’t have believed it if we didn’t go out and replicate it three times,” says Tracy, an assistant psychology professor at UBC.”

    “Researchers asked more than 1,000 volunteers to rate the sexual attractiveness of hundreds of images of the opposite sex. (…. median age of 21. Fifty-two percent of participants were Asian, and 48 percent were Caucasian.) ”

    “In the images, the men and women pictured were demonstrating one of three emotions: happiness, pride or shame — plus a “neutral” image thrown in there, too. They found that women ranked the smiling guys as less attractive — but they were into the prideful and ashamed men.”

    And CH in January 2010:

    “Are Pickup Artists Wrong About The Benefits Of Smiling?”

    “Examining my own successful pickups, I can recall not smiling much at all for at least half of them. Maybe a coy smirk, after introductions were made, but certainly my face was not shining brightly with the happy, smiley glow of a motivational speaker working the audience. I’ve always thought that the advice for men to smile was a bit overblown, but I could never put my finger on exactly why this is the case.” …

    “But you’re much better off not making intense eye contact. If women prefer the man who looks preoccupied with something else besides her, then in a social situation you want to limit your pre-approach eye contact to the bare minimum (just enough to make it register with your target) and refrain from excessive smiling, if at all. You also want to look like your full attention is directed elsewhere, and that it requires a serious face. After all, a man’s business is serious. Always. “

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  292. The classic wisdom for a man choosing a mate:

    Looks fade.

    Passion cools.

    Cooking lasts.

    A bit of brains helps with the cooking part but you don’t pick that up in college.

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  293. evisceration, dammit.

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  294. It isn’t going to be easy to eviscerate since it’s a good article.

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  295. @SD,

    Naomi Wolfe is happy where she is holistically. She is happy with her overall health, career accomplishments and well-being. There are lots of men her age who enjoy her company. So what? There is nothing to report here…

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  296. on May 31, 2011 at 4:17 pm CatoRenasci

    “It isn’t going to be easy to eviscerate since it is a good article.”

    Not so. It well enough written, but if you boil it all down, it’s an older woman – attractive enough, but not showstopping, and certainly never my type – trying convince herself and others that everything is just dandy, and that the feminist project of using political correctness pressure has been successful in overcoming tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of years of evolution in reshaping the male so that he desires what she wants him to desire.

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  297. that article is nothing more than feminist drivel.

    She has us believe that a middle aged man walks into a party with a woman half his age and no one comments anything, but rather fell sorry for him.

    She didn’t feel any jealosu opn the part of the men ….and the women didn’t seem to mind.

    I stopped reading right there. RUBBISH.

    All the men (betas most likely) were quietly congratulating the guy and the women were quietly pissed or threatened.

    Look at Wolf in the article. Clearly trying to play up her looks in the photo. As if to say “see….milfs and cougars can be attractive too…. !”

    Yeah, you can be attractive. Just not as attractive as the 20 year old.

    Another feminist trying to pretend that reality isn’t reality. and Trying to fool beta men and young women in the process.

    As far as the majority of females are concerned…. Biology is Destiny. get over it.

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  298. Best definition of PC:

    “Political Correctness is Obligatory Dishonesty.”

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  299. on May 31, 2011 at 4:20 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Roosh has alread done so:
    http://www.rooshv.com/naomi-wolf-is-a-delusional-old-hag

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  300. on May 31, 2011 at 4:23 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Lara who said,

    “Corporal Hicks,

    Okay we get it you haven’t had much success with American women. Get over it.”

    ____________________________________

    I couldn’t think of a finer compliment.

    No success with American women??

    Gracias a Dios, Lara, Gracias a Dios….

    That’s like saying I haven’t had much success in HELL.

    But I’ve got a heaven-on-earth woman from somewhere far away for the USSA

    I’ll just continue to live the life-of-Riley with her, while you continue your lonely posts here.

    M’kay?

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  301. on May 31, 2011 at 4:28 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Dating cute young women when you are older requires that you have solid game, a decent amount of energy, an in-shape body, a good haircut, and stylish clothes, plus some high bullshit tolerance. For most older men, all that is a bit too much to ask, so they go the easy route and date older women.

    So it is true that a lot of older men are what Agnostic used to call girl haters. But there is just no question that any man would prefer sex with early 20s women, if there were not other considerations.

    It’s not that older women are better, they’re just easier to deal with.

    [Editor: Ah, reminds me of a joke…

    What do women and dog shit have in common? The older they get, the easier they are to pick up.
    Olé!

    ps the other option is dating low energy younger women. Not every cute early or mid-20s chick is a high maintenance drama queen.]

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  302. The problem is, there’s a serious half-truth there.

    Men did discriminate against women in jobs and hiring. There was a lot of that. But once you removed the 19th-century barriers, men let women in and respected them.

    The myth of the patriarchy had some truth. The feminists just twist human society out of all proportion: It becomes a tale of woe and misery and nothing else.

    Of course, it wasn’t really like that.

    First wave feminism could have been great for everyone. But when feminism was infected with marxist principles, it became a zero-sum game in which white, heterosexual men are nothing but targets to bring down in a revolution: every belittling, even to the point of punishing young boys for the sins of their ancestors, openly so, in some cases, is acceptable, because we don’t exist as individuals.

    I know CR maintains that male-female relations are zero-sum, but this isn’t the case. it needn’t be. In the context of 3rd-wave feminism, it is, but it doesn’t have to be.

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  303. By great for everyone I mean: It could have liberated us while still celebrating male and female identity, and letting boundaries blur for those people who were at either end of the spectrum. The mass of women would, for example, have decided like Dutch women – work part time, have rights, but choose to be traditional out of convenience or pragmatism. Those dutch.

    Instead, we get ball-busting super-bitches, reactionary neanderthal men, and everyone fighting to make their interpretation standard for all.

    It seems like this would be a good way out:

    In libertarian style, break marriage up into private contracts, with standard forms that are equitable.

    Treat women as full equals: So, for example, they get all rights that men get, but also full responsibilities; no more presumed custody for children, no more automatic granting of DV restraining orders as a tactic in divorce proceedings (which even feminists admit is a massive problem), no more alimony outside of the marriage contracts, etc.

    Take feminism at face value: Equals.

    Then introduce private contract law. This means if you want to be conservative: Do it. If you want to be some fucked-up airy-fairy open-relationship cuckold pedestalizing mangina, go for it. Whatever you want.

    It means that the mushy middle sector can be conservative or liberal without sacrificing the rights of women or men.

    Right now, we’re fighting over who gets to define the “norm”.

    The only way out: All agree to disagree and get rid of the laws that prevent private individuals and organizations from doing whatever they want to, and let the market sort it out.

    AA has to go, too, as well as far too loose harassment laws. If a law firm doesn’t want to hire female lawyers – let women found their own firms. If a construction company doesn’t want to hire 30% women – then let the people hiring the company decide.

    if women don’t want men in daycare operations – then let the customers decide.

    Let people sort out their shit in a kind of brownian motion.

    The reason the marxist-leftists don’t want this is that we tend to follow certain human norms. They want to shoehorn everyone into one mold or another.

    The conservatives want to do the same.

    I say fuck them all:

    We need to stop telling other people how to live.

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  304. “Dating cute young women when you are older requires that you have solid game, a decent amount of energy, an in-shape body, a good haircut, and stylish clothes, plus some high bullshit tolerance. For most older men, all that is a bit too much to ask, so they go the easy route and date older women.”

    Yes…an older man needs all of these things to be able to pursue and deal with much younger women. He also needs to find a much younger woman that’s OPEN to dating a man that’s old enough to be her father. I don’t think there are tons of them running around out there. We’re used to wealthy men having this option, but the average joe really doesn’t. Charismatic men in positions of authority over younger women have a shot (professors, pastors, and other men in industries that are young woman heavy), but the rest of us…what? Be the old guy in the club? Hanging out around college campuses?

    Naomi Wolf crafted this whole article around one man in her social circle, and she’s in a circle where this will appear from time to time. Men that are with women around their own age aren’t “macho.” MOST men are with women around their own age. It’s a pipe dream for most men to trade-in for a 20-something year old.

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  305. Here is a question for N. Wolf.
    When in the history of mankind have guys ever gotten into an actual fight over women her age? …Of course not.
    I got into a stupid drunken fight once over a girl. She was 20 at the time and smoking hot.
    The other guy and I are still friends. Nothing ever needed to be said.

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  306. on May 31, 2011 at 5:58 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    the other option is dating low energy younger women. Not every cute early or mid-20s chick is a high maintenance drama queen.

    True. I’ve said it before, both the best and the worst younger women like to date older men. On the one hand are the golddiggers and the girls who will indiscriminatly fuck anyone who makes them horny at that moment. On the other hand there are the girls who honestly appreciate your maturity.

    But let’s face it the younger a woman is the flakier and more drama laden she is likely to be.

    [Editor: No argument there. Flakiness is very age-dependent. Teens and early 20s girls are the flakiest, then it falls off through the 20s, has a second peak again late 20s up to just past 30, and finally nosedives into and beyond the 30s when no man who isn’t a complete loser will put up with dating a 30+ woman who still flakes. (Sane women intuitively know this, too.)

    Flakiness is just another term for having a wealth of options. Or, in the case of the 30 year old single careerist, having a mental breakdown.

    Btw, the good thing about dating low energy younger women? They age slower than their attention whore counterparts. Must be related to a telomere sparing metabolic thing. On a related note, if you want to know how well your girlfriend will hold up should you decide to marry her, ask when she hit puberty. No shit, late bloomers are also late wilters.]

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  307. Getting a woman 10 or so years younger than you isn’t rocket science.

    If you can’t get a woman 5-10 years younger than you, you can’t get a woman the same age as you.

    Getting a 20-year-old when you’re 40 is harder. IF you get one, getting her to commit is often not that difficult. But you need to offer such hot stuff something that a 24-year-old guy can’t, and it helps if she respects and admires you.

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  308. It isn’t surprising that an older man is going to get less drama with a younger woman. She knows she has the upper hand.

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  309. Lara

    Hand?
    That depends a lot on how easily one can be replaced.

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  310. Sure. I’m guessing many of these older man/ much younger woman relationships are just flings and both people understand that going in. I can imagine it would have been fun to be wined and dined by a much older man when I was younger, even if I would have eventually wanted to marry someone closer to my own age.

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  311. Lara,

    Women are naturally attracted to older men. Think about junior high, high school, college, after.

    Older age in males signifies greater power and resources and triggers a response on females.

    Assuming they share the same physically space, which American culture goes to great length to prevent – proximity between older men and younger women, they will get together, procreate, and stay together.

    Everywhere else in the world, out side of the US, Western Europe, it is standard that older men and younger women date/marry.

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  312. 10-20+ years differences are common in Latin America, Africa, Middle EASt, and Asia.

    So for any guy who wants a young woman, just go abroad. Its easy.

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  313. However, I must admit. Older women tend to be better sexually.

    sometimes I go for them for this reason.

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  314. Also Rum, when you got in this fistfight over a girl you were young yourself. For a middle aged man to do that would probably land him in the hospital.

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  315. Isn’t she sweet? I mean Vivi. I think that JD was needlessly wordy. He could just have said “You’re full of it!”.

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  316. j,
    I have never denied young women are attracted to much older men at times. Young women are also attracted to men their own age or a little older too. They have a lot of options.

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  317. Lara–

    Since intelligence doesn’t seem to be much of a factor in women’s attractiveness to men, men of all levels find hot, but not very bright women appealing.

    I think most guys, especially most bright guys, don’t want a girl that’s significantly smarter than they are, and not more than about 20 IQ points less intelligent. Well I’m thinking of guys in the 145 IQ range here. If he’s more like 130, maybe not more than 15 points lower. Come to think of it I think if a guy is 120 or more he wants a girl of at least 115 but not significantly smarter than him. 115 is sort of the bottom level to graduate from a GOOD college with standards (if you’re not a NAM or coddled big sport athlete at lots of state unis), or to be a print journalist at a good publication.

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  318. Rum:If all women were slim, well porportioned, and with pretty faces guys everywhere would say, “They are all 10s! God be praised!”

    Even among white guys specifically, preference for thinness in women does not obtain the near-ubiquity that preferences for symmetry, lack of blemishes, lack of visible disease, and fertile age do. This makes evolutionary sense, as the traits which are (almost) universally preferred are always honest signals of a woman’s ability to contribute desirable genes and a robust womb environment to offspring, whereas thinness advertises neither.

    A majority of white men prefer thin women, but the minority that disagrees is a big one — it’s at least 30%.
    Art from the pre-historic, Classical, and later eras of Europe depict women with wide hips, well-ulphostered asses, dimpled flesh. For a more recent example, watch “Some Like It Hot” to see Marilyn Monroe’s wide ass literally jiggle.

    While male sexual preference is not nearly as plastic or relative as feminists would contend, it’s still at least a little plastic and relative. (I don’t know why white men of today prefer thinner women than did their ancestors from not too far back, just that that change has occurred.)

    Evolution needs diversity to proceed, and it has made males far more variable than females, not just in height, muscularity, and IQ but also in the cognitive wiring that gives rise to variance in sexual preference.

    People whose traits lie within the confine of the average and the majority tend to overestimate the descriptive and predictive power of averages, and underestimate the magnitude of minorities. This is especially true of sexual preferences — because our own are so deeply, viscerally felt, we have difficulty imagining how others can diverge.

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  319. on May 31, 2011 at 8:09 pm driveallnight

    @j: “She has us believe that a middle aged man walks into a party with a woman half his age and no one comments anything, but rather fell sorry for him.

    She didn’t feel any jealosu opn the part of the men ….and the women didn’t seem to mind.”

    The hamster has gone Secretariat.

    [Editor: lol. Triple wheel winner!]

    I never get tired of blowing through the lobby of a Westerner-oriented hotel in Manila, Jakarta or Bangkok with a smoke-hot twenty-something on my arm and getting the stinkeye from some past-her-sell-by-date white whale.

    I just laugh, give her my class-A shiteater in response.

    But the best part? It’s when the whale starts muttering her indignation to the hapless beta at her side. I can see him nodding and agreeing with her, as required….but he keeps sneaking glances at my girl whenever the whale is distracted.

    I know he wishes he was gonna have some hot little brown thing rubbing up on him all through dinner, begging for that most delicious of beatings.

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  320. Rum,

    I wasn’t referring to that Stone Age Venus with the massive belly, but rather paintings from the prehistoric Meditteranean – Cretan and Minoan stuff.

    I should have mentioned the .7 waist-to-hip ratio (aka hourglass figure) as a universally preferred trait. But I’m not conceding anything to your case by doing so — Victoria’s Secret models display that ratio, and so do Lane Bryant models.

    You reduce the debate to the absurd with your med textbook horror stories.

    Labels like “fatties” should be reserved who are globular, not for Anna Nicole Smith in her earliest Playboy pictorials, or my other celebrity examplars.

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  321. SI Swimsuit models Ashley Richardson and Rachel Hunter — hot but not thin.

    The same goes, to a lesser extent, for Victoria’s Secret models up until about 2000 or the very late Nineties. Not as wide anywhere as Lane Bryant’s roster, but far more padded in the right places than Alessandra Ambrosio or Giselle.

    Low, or .7, waist-to-hip ratio does not equal thinness.

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  322. Wives and Lovers

    Why do lawyers marry plain-looking college girls and not hot waitresses?

    I think The Chateau gives too much credit to proximity and opportunity and not enough to cultural considerations. Family connections, religion, ambition, intelligence, status, money … all come into play when selecting a woman to marry.

    Besides married lawyers can still bang hot waitresses.

    It’s just that choosing a wife involves a different set of calculations than choosing a partner for sex.

    It’s the same with women who marry betas but bang alphas. A beta may be a fine husband, a real keeper, but that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t rather bang an alpha on the side.

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  323. It’s more than possible to marry a much younger girl. My mother proposed to my father when she was 20 and he was 34. He wasn’t rich and had zero social status(she was a 7.5). You just have to be alpha.

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  324. Thal

    The problem with tolerating “pleasantly plump” girls who are not yet hideous is that if they are headed in that direction they will arrive there in no time.
    In todays world that is drowning in lard-flesh.

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  325. on May 31, 2011 at 9:39 pm Corporal Hicks

    American Beta-chumps get the Beluga princesses they deserve.

    It’s really that simple.

    Whatever girl you have at your side right now, this minute, will tell me more about your Alpha or Beta status than
    1,000 blog posts.

    End. of. story.

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  326. on May 31, 2011 at 9:46 pm Corporal Hicks

    @Rum

    Dead on. Tub-a-lards are ubiquitous with waistlines expanding at a beyond-alarming clip.

    Any self-respecting Alpha has probably already left the United Feminist States of America for thinner shores.

    Betas are left behind, chasing the Beluga mean-spirited princesses (who for some reason, are attracted to this blog like cockroaches on chocolate cake.

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  327. Men who define themselves entirely by the quality of their woman tend to get cheated on.

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  328. on May 31, 2011 at 9:57 pm driveallnight

    @Lara:

    Got a citation for that, sugartits?

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  329. You have a good point there, Rum, but I’ll still quibble.

    Who’s more likely to self-medicate with food — the Lane Bryant shopper who correctly believes that around one third of white males want to do her, or a similarly proportioned woman who incorrectly thinks her proportions make her disgusting? Clearly, when we insist that attractive equals thin we drive women insane, and they don’t exactly need the encouragement.

    Furthermore, there can be serious health consequences for a Lane Bryant type defying her physiology — she may need to carry more fat than a waif needs in order to maintain optimal estrogen levels or fertility.

    Also, I don’t advocate the mere tolerance of such women, but rather the celebration of their beauty. Toleration implies that they have failed, whereas in reality their beauty is of a different category. Crystal Renn has no more failed to be Alessandra Ambrosio than dusky Monica Bellucci (also nowhere near slender) has failed to be the equally stunning, but much differently shaded Grace Kelly.

    It’s also mysterious, if indisputable, that so many white men prefer proportions in females that to don’t seem to be adaptive for a northerly climate. My guess is that a preference for neoteny has won out over that for heat insulation in one’s offspring, and that this change is a recent response to civilization providing the warmth that fat previously conserved. I’d be interested in your take.

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  330. I think the images in women’s ragazines still skew towards thin (like the retouching of Kate Winslet’s cover pics and others), but SI swimsuit and Victoria’s Secret models are built pretty healthy. You can’t really sell lingerie and swimsuits using women that aren’t built. The super-thin waif was more in vogue when Naomi Wolf wrote “The Beauty Myth,” but it isn’t as prevalent now. In Europe, there was a major backlash against thin models within the fashion industry, and certain standards were imposed to discourage girls from being so thin. Television has also changed quite a bit, and there are more full-figured actresses that have been applauded for eating normally (I think Christina Hendricks is one of the sexiest women working right now). The US fashion industry still favors thin models for runway, but most women don’t want to be THAT thin.

    I like a shapely, more thickly built woman myself, but as Rum touched on, they’re likely to end up just plain fat after letting themselves go a little, and/or having a kid or two. If a woman is built that way naturally, and works out and is active, then she might maintain and not gain much more. But a thinner woman, after kids, might end up with some curves she didn’t have before and actually be BETTER looking than when she was thin. Playboy Anna Nicole Smith was SEXY, but after letting herself go she was sloppy. Kate Moss, who I thought was flat-out UGLY in her heyday as a model, actually was more attractive as she got older and gained a little weight.

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  331. Also, Rum, if the slope from Lane Bryant to zeppelin is so slippery, why didn’t women let themselves turn into the latter when they had Marilyn Monroe and such as role models?

    Answer: the slope isn’t so slippery. It’s all the other sociological mayhem that this blog covers so incisively that has made so many women (and men) so much worse.

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  332. Thal

    Go on thinking that fatties can be hot if you want. But there is no evidence that ancient depictions of womanhood that were fatties had anything to do with eroticism. Those stone carvings may have been used as psyche-weapons to be thrown at the other warrior gang to make them lose their morale.
    The body shapes depicted in old stone carvings were NOT fertile types, btw. You will find women like that in Med Textbooks under chapters called “High Risk Pregnancies” and “Fetal Death” or “Out of Control Gestational Diabetes”
    If you want to go back in time to see what ancients found hot look a brothel art. Waist/hip .7 every time.

    [Editor: True. The fat bloated paintings of Ruben were not meant as masturbation material.]

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  333. Sorry H but that was so godamned funny I must repost:

    Ode to a BBW:

    Do you like
    chicks shaped like ham?
    I do not like them, Sam-I-am.
    I do not like
    chicks shaped like ham.

    Would you like them
    now or then?

    I would not like them
    now or then.
    I would not like them ever again.

    I do not like
    chicks shaped like ham.
    I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

    Would you like them in your bed?
    Would you like them giving head?

    I do not like them
    in my bed.
    I do not like them
    giving head.
    I do not like them
    now or then.
    I do not like them
    ever again.
    I do not like
    chicks shaped like ham.
    I do not like them,
    Sam-I-am.

    Would you eat them
    in their box?
    Would you poke them
    with your cox?

    Not in their box.
    Not with my cox.
    Not in my bed.
    Not giving head.
    I would not poke them
    here or there.
    I would not poke them anywhere.
    I would not poke chicks made of ham.
    I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

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  334. on June 1, 2011 at 1:55 am Narcissistic Sociopath

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-sad-shocking-truth-ab_b_290021.html

    One of the comments:

    “from my 54 years as a woman….I KNOW women simply (as a rule…not 100%) feel and think more deeply. Men CAN spend hour in front of football games. I believe woman have come to realize the Gucci Bag and the kid in the Best School is not the answer to “life”. When a woman sees on TV a group of woman (Congo) who’ve lost their bladder control from many vicious rapes (while watching their child cut up)..it’s personal. There IS a lot of fear just walking down the street that a man would never feel..we are vulnerable to violence, and take personally violence done to other women. This will, eventually­, I hope, truly make us better, more determined to CHANGE this WORLD.

    For me..I prefer the company of men
    I NEED the company of women.”

    lol

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  335. Just received this text message from a male friend.

    “My ex-wife could manipulate the muscles of her pussy so it felt like you were getting a blow job. Which is ironic, because when she manipulated the muscles of her mouth, she sounded like a cunt.”

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  336. Re plump women

    Economist Thorstein Veblen was all over this in his book “The Theory of the Leisure Class” back in the 1899.

    Basically, back in the days when food was scarce, having a big fat woman was a status symbol since it showed that the man had the wherewithall to feed her pie hole.

    A woman is basically an organism for turning biomass (food) into biomass (children). A too skinny woman is infertile while a big’en can crank out the kids.

    Once food was abundant, EVERYWOMAN could get fat and plumpness lost it status symbol power.

    The new rich guy now wanted eternal youth in his wife as status symbol. Today, even that is weakening and it just becomes trade-in time. It’s all about “conspicuous consumption” perr Veblen.

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  337. “The Ivy League grad who goes on to marry a plain jane Ivy Leaguer would, in fact, be a lot happier marrying a hot and sexy waitress with decent smarts. ”

    I don’t agree with this at all. Waitresses and bartenderesses (sic) make absolutely horrid girlfriends.

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  338. on June 1, 2011 at 4:30 pm namae nanka

    “First wave feminism could have been great for everyone. ”

    The Legal Subjection of Men puts an end to that claim.

    “Take feminism at face value: Equals.”

    🙂

    “The screed “the hand that rocks the cradle has the power to rule the world” was first published in a WKKK broadside in Evansville”

    “If a law firm doesn’t want to hire female lawyers – let women found their own firms.”

    “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allaah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’”

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  339. @Name Nanka,

    If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’”

    Okay. So the Koran is good for something.

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  340. I caught this on tv last night from 4:10.

    Interesting stuff …. “Machiavellian Intelligence”

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  341. @JJ, Vivi

    Thank you for depicting your insecure ego by getting so defensive and spewing vulgarity, which is a common mishap when uncivilized habits surface due to a lack of self-control.

    It is so boring btw, when reprobates such as yourselves utterly fail my test. At least, LILGRL or Aoefe (sp) were interesting for a bit and provided some resistance.

    Vivi

    “Fuck off, you dimwitted paranoid omega feeb. Did you even go to University at all? How much do you make? What’s your IQ? How much can you bench? Are you still a virgin? What are you bringing to the table?

    Go fuck a prole, prole.”

    You mean “Did you ever go to a university?” Why did you capitalize university?

    Yes, I actually have a MBA and LLB from Oxbridge. My alma mater is a small private business school on the East Coast. I prepped at a private Int. school.

    How about yourself?

    “How much do you make?”

    More than you, however since I just entered the workforce, high five-figures with a generous expatiate package. My net worth is high six-figures, thanks to my daddy’s trust fund.

    “What’s your IQ?”

    I’m assuming general IQ, so conservatively estimated around 120-140, which is supported by various standardized test scores and my ability to speak multiple languages fluently.

    Next time please specify which type of IQ you are aiming to compare. Here’s a list: Spatial, Linguistic, Logical-Mathematical, Bodily-kinesthetic, Musical, Interpersonal, Intrapersonal, Naturalistic or Existential.

    “How much can you bench?”

    Your mother and you, so close to 350 lbs. I could probably do 3 sets of 5-6 reps easily. Would you like my squat and deadlift measurements too? Let’s just say I’m a member of the 1,100 lbs club.

    “Are you still a virgin?”

    Project much? Self-hate is so ugly. I actually lost my v-card to a 25 year old stripper when I was 15.

    “What are you bringing to the table?”

    Some old fashioned backhand and spanking, if you stop behaving like a trailer-camp, tornado-bait white trash.

    “Go fuck a prole, prole.”

    I think you and JJ should give it a try.

    @JJ

    “Whoever The_King may be is ridiculous. Look at your own icon. Par exemple of stupid asshole.”

    Lol someone doesn’t get sarcasm. It’s Mr. Asshole and your mother whoreships me after some Blitzkrieg last night.

    Don’t bother with a comeback cheese-eating surrender monkey.

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  342. on June 2, 2011 at 7:15 pm Obstinance Works

    ^^ Burger King

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  343. I’ve long thought the Chateau places too much emphasis on looks and sexual heat (90% I think he’s said) and too little on status and compatibility when men chose LTRs, live togethers and especially wives (who always progressed through the first and often the second).

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  344. Doug1: “I’ve long thought the Chateau places too much emphasis on looks and sexual heat”

    Has he always done that? A trait of the blog that won me over as a fan was his breadth of nuance and insight. He factored in personality, character, compatibility, and femininity, not just looks and sex appeal, and taught game’s utility for monogamous LTRs (even if he didn’t advocate them), including marriage, as well as one-night stands.

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  345. ^^ Ignorance Fails

    @Doug1

    Looks and genes is an important facet of status. Par exemple, Europeans will always have higher sexual value than Africans. Women will place higher value on looks and productive genes for short flings and look at provider ability for LTRs.

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  346. The_King said: “Women will place higher value on looks and productive genes for short flings and look at provider ability for LTRs.”

    To whit… Unngh, Cum in me! Cum in me! My husband makes six figures! (Not to be too crude about it. I’m sure pool boys, handymen and trainers can attest.)

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  347. Speaking of that…

    “I Cheated On My Husband To Secure Better Genes For My Children,” Affair Stories, 19 May 2011
    http://www.doccool.com/cheated-on-husband-for-better-genes/

    “By all accounts, Karen’s husband is very successful financially and Karen is adamant that she loves him. ‘I love my husband.’ She says. ‘He has given me a comfortable and stable life. Because of his great job and his ability to provide me and my children with resources, I will never divorce him.’ Karen is unapologetic about her lifestyle choice and in fact defends it with zeal saying that really this is just nature at its core. …”

    Folks, we really are in an “arms race to the bottom” on this.

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  348. @anonymous…that cheating article was eye-opening. It also provides some insight into how women are often better, more discreet cheaters than men. Part of the reason for that is, as she observes, many men don’t even allow the thought that their woman is cheating into their heads, helping them to get away with it.

    One very smart thing she did was have a close friend keep watch over her, and giving her the heads-up if there were any subtle changes in her behavior. Things only a person that knows you intimately would notice. I had this experience with a married woman I was seeing. Her husband was a serial philanderer, so she decided to get what he wasn’t providing somewhere else. We lived cross-country, so I didn’t have to deal with daily drama. I didn’t think she was being as careful as she needed to be, but she was SURE he would never violate her privacy. As a normal human being, if you think something is up, you’re going to investigate. I was right, she was wrong. He was more tech-savvy than her, so he went into her computer and checked her saved chats (which she didn’t even know could be saved). He checked the cellphone records online and saw the calls. But you know what tipped him off? She was actually HAPPY again. Previously, she had been miserable, and things between them were tense. Bit by bit, she was happier. Once he saw that, he knew she had someone else, and felt threatened. Her behavior changed and he picked up on it.

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