Update On The C-SPAN Ex-Lovers Spat

An anonymous source emailed the following to Chateau headquarters:

As someone who knows Seavey and Rittelmeyer, I’d like to point out that she deserves it. She is crazy. Seavey is usually not so crazy, but he is showing some restraint. Right after he broke up with her, I overheard him discuss how sociopathic she was: “It’s like for the last two years I’ve been fucking a lizard.”

A choice quote from Helen. “I’m not sure why people have… friends. Books are more efficient.”

The panel was convened to discuss a book, and Helen’s essay in the book is fantastic. It’s about dissolute Yale conservatives. Here’s an excerpt: http://www.studentfreepress.net/archives/4049

After second viewing of the video, I think Seavey got in a couple of biting jabs at Sluttelmeyer. So it wasn’t a total lost cause, though it was a suicide mission under the circumstances. Jabs aside, Seavey comes across on the whole like a spurned beta, not a cool and calm devil-may-care alpha. He clearly still wants to pork her; the raging unfulfilled lust is strong in him. Of course, this is nothing unusual for dumpees. Alphas occasionally get dumped to, but it’s in how they handle it that separates them from the average pining man. (By “handle it”, I mean they will casually turn to girl #2 in their harem to soothe the pain.) By the way, from what I read of Seavey’s cached blog posts, she dumped him three days before the C-SPAN event.

In the previous post, I wasn’t concerned with the veracity of Seavey’s accusations or the dynamics of his relationship with Sluttelmeyer. That wasn’t the point of it. It was to show how people react differently to men and women misbehaving in essentially identical manners, based on deep-seated evolutionary impulses. Bitter beta males are simply not cut as much slack as bitter beta females would be cut.

But since the details of Seavey’s and Mini-Rand’s relationship or lack thereof seem to fascinate people, I will offer some advice to Seavey on how he should handle similar situations should they arise in the future.

First, Seavey, let me be frank: You have no game. Zero. Nada. I can tell. Your gamelessness oozes from every pore. I doubt you have ever had a normal, socially savvy, non-nerd friend in your life who was good with women who could have mentored you. Read this blog and other similar sites and begin your journey of discovery. Then you can stop dating down to pretentiously eccentric, credentialist suckup, robotic, afeminine 3s and 4s. “Yale… the school I went to”. LOL.

Second, when you have an “on again, off again relationship” with a chick for two years, your working assumption should be that she is fucking around. In fact, that should be your working assumption for *all* women until proven otherwise. Girls must earn your respect. “On again, off again” is not the way to earn that respect. But it is a good way to earn a tier three slot in your stable of regulars.

Third, why would you date a “sociopathic lizard” for two years? It’s a telling sign of a lack of options that you chose the indignity of sticking it in her reptilian hole as she led you around by the nose, instead of dumping her scaly ass as soon as you got the chance for a better woman. Face it, she fucked with your head, and you fell for her hard. What you should have been doing is treating her like the occasional fuckbuddy she in reality was to you, while concurrently dating other women. That would have given you the proper perspective and attitude. Had you done that, you would have seen her magically begin to behave more ladylike and work for your attention. That is the power of aloof asshole alpha game.

Fourth, when she dumped you three days before that panel discussion, you should have been EXPECTING IT. Hell, she was already done with you two years ago, but you couldn’t see it because you were blinded by the pussy. Had you followed points 1 – 3 above, you wouldn’t have even been in the position to be dumped just prior to an awkwardly planned C-SPAN event. When she approached you to tell you that she was dumping you, you should have shrugged your shoulders and said “I didn’t know we were together.” That’s how you steal victory from a slut. And it would have been true. Then you could have invited your new girl to sit in the audience and watch you, while enjoying the jealousy it would surely have provoked in Mini-Rand.

Fifth, don’t expect to win allies by disgracing a girl in a public venue — out of context — with tales of your personal history with her. The world doesn’t work that way. People’s sympathies will always lie with the woman, particularly if the man attacking her is charmless or otherwise inept at working a crowd, and the woman in question is of fertile age. You had no hope to come out on top by commandeering a political panel discussion to zing an ex about her slutty misanthropic ways, even if said ways were at odds with her self-proclaimed ideology and religious mores. Your time to stick the shiv in was long before that panel discussion. Long before she formally dumped you, actually. Perhaps an offhand sly reference to her sordid sexual or friendship history, slipped innocuously into the conversation so that few would know what you were alluding to, would have sufficed to earn you gotcha points with the insiders who were watching you and her at that event, without ostracizing you from the rest of the crowd… and, now, from the internet hordes. Try to put yourself in an alpha male’s shoes — a man who is fucking more than one woman at any given time and who has no trouble getting new women when he wants — and imagine what he would have done in that situation. I guarantee he would not have done what you did, the way you did it. I doubt he would even give the reptile a second thought.

Commenter Thunear is right. The world’s biggest, raunchiest, most unethical sluts are libertarian chicks. They will jump on just about any cock that is half-way alpha. The libertard girl craves the mightily aloof cock like no other woman. She wilts for such a man to brusquely dismiss her romantic gestures. But, alas, many of these Rand-obsessing chicks are ugly, and have to settle for riding the beta cock carousel, a kiddie ride compared to its manlier cousin. Since they are surrounded by lesser betas and omegas, they tire easily and quickly of any one cock, and move on to new cock effortlessly. As long as you understand what you’re getting into with the libertard slut, you can have fun with them. Think of the upsides: No flowers, dinners, or presents necessary. Check splitting all the time, except when she’s buying. Sexual voraciousness, S&M, bondage, public sex. Threesomes a distinct possibility. No worries about pregnancy (most of them have had their tubes tied). No pressure to propose. No girly stuff. If she looks fat, tell her! She’ll love you for it. All you have to do is humor her long-winded conversations about privatized toll roads and expect nothing in the way of fidelity, and you’ll have hand in the relationship; a fuckbuddy for as long as you like. PS: Libertarian chicks love it in the pooper.





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  1. From looking at this chick, he would have benefitted from taking her over his knee and giving her a few solid thwacks to the rump with an open hand. She’d have fucked him like a piston afterwards.

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  2. Good grief, Sluttelmeyer is one repulsive woman!

    What did Seavey possibly see in her?!?

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  3. Sorry Roissy, I read your whole column, and got the answer to my above query.

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  4. on October 20, 2010 at 10:35 pm The Quest For 50

    Lizard is generous… she looks extraterrestrial. Even before I learned game I wouldn’t have gone near her. Now girls like that are invisible when I pass them on the street.

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  5. In the original”V”,about 25 years ago,the leader of the lizard/conquerors was a hot skin-shrunk uniformed 10 who was denied screen-time because she would eat live hamsters.Don’t generalize the fucking of all lizard chicks!

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  6. Wow! LO-mother fucking-L…She seems like a sociopathic lizard from the get-go. Why would you even admit to having sex with that is the question?

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  7. “But, alas, many of these Rand-obsessing chicks are ugly, and have to settle for riding the beta cock carousel, a kiddie ride compared to its manlier cousin.”

    If I wanted to fuck a robot, I wouldn’t put such an ugly face on it.

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  8. I refuse to believe any lessons can be extracted from these two freaks.

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  9. Mukluk, You learn a lot more from failure than you do from success.

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  10. rand

    A Hindi / Urdu word short for “Randi” or prostitute. This has more of an effect that the original word “Randi” as it translates to ‘prostitute’ where as “Rand” translates to the the more crass ‘fuckin ho’ or ‘whore’

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  11. Instead of, “I didn’t know we were together” when she dump you, how about “oh well.” Short and sweet.

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  12. Or my old favorite, “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.”

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  13. Chaucer’s gap-toothed “Wife of Bath” comes to mind if nobody else has brung it up.

    Seavey was probably more in lust with her tits than anything. They were bigger breasts than one is accustomed to seeing on a would-be intellectual female.

    For some reason, I can see this woman keeping a large bush to heighten the effect of her tits/librarian face. It was probably an intoxicating mixture to Seavey.

    All he needed to know about her was that she honestly thought assault should be legal.
    Could you imagine if poor minority DC females were given legal carte-blanche to attack white DC lawyer chicks for the betting entertainment of assembled subway and train riders throughout the metro area? You’d have all those Randian elements there: “survival of the fittest”, “free-will”, “unfettered-capitalism”. How could the Dagny Taggart in Sluttlemeyer resist?

    Jonah Golberg < Richard Spenser

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  14. on October 21, 2010 at 12:13 am Silver Tongued Devil

    Roissy, I’ve come to the conclusion (again) that you are a lame brained sociopath and no-that isn’t intended as a compliment.

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  15. I suspect that some of Rittelmeyer’s “outrageous” statements about friends, cruelty, assault, etc. are the policy-geek equivalent of shit-tests. She says ridiculous things, and her lady parts want him to dismiss them as ridiculous, but being the plonking, credulous, abstraction-lover that he is, he credits each as a serious thesis, and invests energy in rebutting it, making him even more unsexy than he’s forced to be by his face.

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  16. I hate libertardians.

    Osz no Bernake is the anti-Christ!

    End the Fed and usher in the Libertardian paradise!

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  17. I’ll probably never understand your hatred of libertarians Roissy. I don’t like labeling, but I essentially am a libertarian. I think you’ve got it stuck in your head that libertarians are amoral, carefree, open-borders pansies. Many libertarians couldn’t be more different. I’m for strong border security and I think feminism and multiculturalism are downright asinine.

    I’m tolerant of different people and lifestyles, but that’s because I recognize the right of individual liberty and what small-government truly means. I personally think acts like sodomy are disgusting. My thing is I simply don’t believe it’s in the proper role of government to decide how we should live our lives. If I disagree with homosexuality, multiculturalism, and feminism, I believe I should persuade people why I disprove of these acts and give money to organizations advocating what I believe in or volunteer myself, but not rely on the iron fist of the state to legislate morality. I’d rather be free, lest I am in the minority one day on an issue that is unpopular. Then the chickens really would come home to roost.

    You claim how you want the welfare state to end. I do too…completely. The only man who would ever do that, and he would, is the libertarian Ron Paul (who I will be seeing next week). No other republican or democrat even proposes to cut Social Security, let alone scrap the entire welfare program.

    If you think society is crumbling beneath you today, and I would agree with that assessment, then keep doing what you’re doing with this blog and educating people. People are starting to listen up if your Alexa ranking is any indication. If you believe we’re on a destructive course (and feminism has largely been a product of government/welfare state) then let society and feminism get what they deserve. Protect yourself and the ones in your life you care about.

    Finally relating back to the topic at hand, I highly doubt Rittelmeyer and Sleavy are actually libertarians. Hating government is in vogue these days and many people who are not libertarians are claiming to be (i.e. glenn beck). The fat man, Jonah Goldberg, (I’ve personally talked with him) is not a libertarian. And the other two barely register on a quick google search so I wouldn’t put much weight in anything they say.

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  18. The essay is well-written and funny but kind of underscores her oddness. Also I think she pretty clearly places herself in the traditionalist-Catholic camp, not the libertarian, despite decidedly non-Catholic views and behaviors. Makes me think all the intellectual posing is just that, contrarian game-playing, and not based on any deep-seated beliefs. At least the libertarian cult is more consistent, in that the people in it usually behave in ways based on the beliefs.

    I still kinda admire Todd for his diatribe- I know it was beta and cringeworthy but he put himself out there and called her on her shit. Belatedly, but publicly. Sort of an egghead version of the slut-shaming that this board believes should come back in style. He should definitely hit the gym, get some new interests, and meet women who are not political geeks, though.

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  19. Figures these two geeks would be on a panel sponsered by the neo-CON super-geek Jonah Goldberg.

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  20. Hanging out with a woman like this can be a quick lesson regarding the dark side of female nature. But the lesson will likely be paid for in blood, especially if the guy is naive and idealistic to start with.
    But here is a trick for dealing with chicks who give off sociopathic vibes: Get them really drunk. Put ambiens in their Merlot if you need to. They will end up telling you the vilest shit about themselves. They are impulsive underneath the well controlled surface so give that an opening. Being a successful sociopath requires fine control. Break that down and they lose their cover.

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  21. on October 21, 2010 at 12:55 am Horatio Sanchez

    Roissy, according to you, who doesn’t like it in the pooper? Hilarious my man.

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  22. Let’s be honest here, Roissy: this guy wasn’t trying to win this cunt back. He wasn’t trying to play the game. He was trying to give her a very public bitch-slap, and you know what, he succeeded. There are things that shouldn’t be put into the context of game, and Seavey’s hilarious run-down of Ms. “I’m a traditionalist Catholic slut” is one of them.

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  23. on October 21, 2010 at 1:20 am greatbooks4men

    LOZOZOZLZZOZLZLZ

    this post is a tesament to roissy’s geniususisusi

    only roissy could marry

    jonah goldberg
    beta nerdy boy
    reptilean liberatian alien chick
    taylor “pumped and dumped” swiftly by john mayer lozzlzozolzlo
    ayn rand
    lesser omegas
    fat man bellow laughs (from jonah goldberg!!) lsososl
    the new masucilinity (cherubic bellowing jonah godber/beta nerrdy boyz who are so fucing stupid to dup on zeta girlz in poublic lzozlzzlzlo)
    how the left enbraced evolutionary biology to seize preorpty from men via oplacing slut whore re[ptiles alines on pedestals and wiring fiat bernake cash to them to create owmenz feminist studies welath transfer progsmsmsmsm lzozll

    and all teh sociological cultural trappings of your dumbed down deocntsructed debauched feminimzed abnker owend fiat cahs buttehxed society zlozlzzzlll

    roissy deserves the nobel prize in both peace and getting pussy zlzozlzllozlzlzlozloz and literaturetoo of course though the last two are kinda the same zlozzllzzlozol

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  24. Damn that chick is motherfucking ugly! Is this for real?

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  25. They’re all motherfucking ugly.

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  26. Which brings me to my next point: Never bang chicks in your industry or profession. You never know when you’ll have to do some lame job-related event in close proximity to them.

    In law school we could always tell who some girl in class was banging during discussions because she’d treat him like shit.

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  27. on October 21, 2010 at 2:08 am greatbooks4men

    todd makes this dude look like an uber alpha zlzozlzllzozolo

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  28. Look, my specialty is uptight Catholic girls. Here’s my assessment:

    He wasn’t hitting it (which was, understandably, a source of immense frustration).

    She’s a curvy, hyper-intelligent 23 year old girl whose sense of entitlement and delusion and flakiness is no less than any other early 20s girl. She might as well be a club princess.

    Despite being in his late 30s or early 40s, this guy has NO GAME, which is why he was so distraught when she pulled typical shit on him. He put up with it, she dumped him, then he lashed out when he had the opportunity. The. End.

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  29. A big rule around the world is that nobody leaving a relationship, even if dumped, should reveal confidences that were supposed to be kept private.

    Americans have lost respect for this common decency, which is one more reason not to date an American.

    So, while the host wrote an excellent essay on misandry (how bitter males don’t get the same pass bitter women get), I’m sure most of the disgust with Seavey was because he had no business revealing to the world that his ex might have once expressed an interest in doing a couple’s swap (even one that would apparently have left him out of the equation).

    The betrayal disgusts me.

    I had a colleague once try to beat me out for a promotion by revealing a comment I had made about a couple’s swap club to a VP. The VP told me not to ever trust or respect this guy again.

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  30. Very true Rum. It’s also funny when seemingly innocent and straight laced girls get drunk and their raunchy, inner slut comes out.

    Ladies, don’t ever change, you’re very amusing.

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  31. Jerry said:

    A big rule around the world is that nobody leaving a relationship, even if dumped, should reveal confidences that were supposed to be kept private.

    So now women don’t gossip.

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  32. At least Swift did not betray her ex with actual confidences that he’d told her. She gets a pass from me for that.

    Also, Seavey’s apparently more social conservative than Rittelmayer.

    That puts me way over on her side (and I’d withhold judgment on her looks until I see her from the waist down).

    However, Helen’s essay on smoking was juvenile to me.

    I see her so far as a pseudo-intellectual (references to being a New Haven insider would also look stupid to someone who might be more of a Paris and London insider).

    If she smokes, she probably has less than 2 years of being sexually attractive to men. And, with all the feminist laws libertarians should be fighting, fighting anti-smoking laws is just a cop out diversion at best (I actually agree with anti-smoking laws just like I would agree with a ban on hydrogenated vegetable oils, asbestos and formaldehyde in personal care products and furniture – because its all sheer poison the purveyors know causes harm because they keep their own children away from it, but which makes things highly profitable for them).

    Also, the fact that cigarettes would not be approved for sale if they were invented today (who would agree its OK to burn leaves and paper in front of others)…is an airtight argument for not adding the defense of this unpopular habit to anyone’s “libertarian” platform (and one would logically expect social conservatives to be against tobacco as they were until about 1910 when their thought leaders were bought off – the stance they’ve taken on tobacco since then has only helped them lose elections such as in 1992 and 1996). Tobacco shouldn’t be a wedge issue that splits the right…and you know who’s funding the bullshit that blowing smoke in other’s faces is “individual liberty”.

    As we may be seeing with Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell in Delaware, social conservatives are not welcome to true Tea Party voters (she’s going to lose big time while most other Tea Party candidates will win big time) and, as social conservatives (mostly religious nuts) fall below 15% of the US population from being 24% in 2000, they should be marginalized in the GOP in favor of the more libertarian Republicans.

    That said, I’m disgusted that Sarah Palin and an apparently social conservative organization called the Tea Party Express are trying to hijack the Tea Party movement.

    Did everyone see how this O’Donnell character embarrassed herself in a debate two days ago arguing that the separation of church and state isn’t derived from the 1st Amendment (her leftist opponent unfortunately wiped the floor with her lack of knowledge of anything written in the Bill of Rights)? While her stance may be debatable in terms of whether one can put “In God We Trust” on coins, it was misguided for her to pick that particular fight because, by doing so, she made it very clear about wanting to govern as the usual Brownback-style social conservative and not as a small government Tea Party type.

    If it turns out the Tea Party really was hijacked by a socon Palin and Tea Party Express and they try to pass more anti-male laws such as widening the definition of “sex offender” or creating a national age of consent of 18, then Obama can win reelection in 2012 and the Dems can win back the House that they are sure to lose in 2010.

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  33. on October 21, 2010 at 3:37 am Cannon's Canon

    that any 40ish “conservative” guy got into an “early-20’s catholic-libertarian” can’t be all that deplorable.

    yeah, she looks like dirk diggler’s gay sidekick. so what? now we bag on a 40 year old dork committing to a “conservative” 20-ish girl and getting poly-amored? SURPRISE – POLYAMORED!

    piss on Seavey, if you must. he got his slut-shaming in. fake-Roissy, how much slut-shaming have you actualized? fake-Roissy, how much buttsex have you endorsed, spreading fag cancer? it’s there for a reason, and you might catch it if you can’t refrain yourself from TASTY WOMEN (since they don’t refrain from TASTY (gay) MEN)!

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  34. Fatty kills uggo over a man. How romantic.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11592629

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  35. [So now women don’t gossip.]

    Online they don’t. Not by naming names. Not usually.

    Sure it happens, mostly between Americans, but Europeans don’t mess with each other online like that.

    The film “The Social Network” portrays Zuckerberg telling the world on his blog that the woman who just broke up with him stuffed her bra. In Russia that could get a young man killed by her brother or father or their connections. You just don’t go there publicly.

    This guy had no business telling the world that his ex suggested one day that she might want to get into a three-some. That wasn’t just Beta but against a strict code of decency that most people in a relationship assume exists.

    Count me out of any relationship with an American woman that might remotely result with her as an ex publicly “spilling the beans” online about anything controversial I’d ever said privately.

    My American ex’s have never written online about me.

    One religious nut I dated might try to say something if I run for high office condemning religious nuts, but I’d be more tactful running for office. 😉

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  36. Jerry — Rule #1, the media lies. O’Donnell was doubting that the First Amendment has in it the wording separation of church and state. Which it does not, that is a Supreme Court doctrine arising from a Supreme Court decision.

    It is nowhere in the First Amendment. The Constitution forbade establishment of a religion. The State of Delaware cannot create Catholicism as the State Religion, nor Mormonism. Nor can the Feds, or any other government body. They can, however, have non-demoninational prayers, or creches in public squares, or Christmas lights. The Founding Fathers would have been appalled at the War On Christmas done by Dems.

    Angle, Tancredo (in Colorado) and other social conservatives put the lie to Libtards. There is no support for Libtardian stuff (“I’m so nerdy, my idea of a rocking time is eating two scoops of ice cream. Let’s legalize cocaine and meth!”) Meanwhile social conservatism, which is nothing more than holding onto 1985 America, has a lot of support. It actually stands for something. An America that most can remember, and actually loved.

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  37. In case someone wants to say that the “Establishment Clause” of the 1st Amendment doesn’t establish separation of church and state, Thomas Jefferson himself said in 1802 that this is what he and the others meant (the Constitution is very poorly written as the US was one of the first democratic republics to try writing one).

    Arguing the meaning of this clause – usually because one’s mind is focused on being a religious type – is ultimately a diversion away from arguing more important things like the 16th Amendment that IIRC established income tax and the Federal Reserve.

    Christine O’Donnell drove the nail in the coffin of her candidacy with her outburst on the topic in a debate two days ago. Her worst moment was when she revealed that she didn’t even know the existence of the “no establishment of a religion” clause in the 1st Amendment which – if she was intelligent – she could have argued wasn’t a blanket objection to things like teaching creationism in public as opposed to private schools (still a really stupid “liberty” to fight for in the name of the Tea Party unless one is arguing that federal guidelines shouldn’t tell states what to teach in schools).

    Then again, I decided O’Donnell needed to lose when I saw her MTV interview from the 1990s where she said that “self love” was wrong and when she said last week that the only Supreme Court rulings she could think of that she disagreed with were the ones that said porn was freedom of speech. Polls have her losing by double digits while most Tea Party candidates are about to wipe the floor with their leftist opponents as mops.

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  38. Toomey in Pennsylvania can be badly damaged if independent voters there see him show any solidarity with O’Donnell on socially conservative issues.

    He’s slipping against Sestak and that’s not good for those who want to see the Marxist left defeated.

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  39. Social conservatism has about 18% support in the US but 40% of the US population might still ally with them even if they are in charge (as they were in the recent Bush Junior days). This is no longer enough to win.

    Bush Junior really ticked off the middle in his second term when he revealed not just how religious his handlers were, but how they’d gone pro-feminist.

    As Roissy has written about, gender-traitors like the piously religious Brownback needed to be removed from the US Congress (Brownback – who has decided to voluntarily leave the US Senate to be governor of Kansas – stabbed men in the back by promoting VAWA among other things). God help the men of Kansas with such a pro-feminist Beta governor.

    Men will not put up with a feminist Republican female President. No way, no how.

    In order to get a majority today, social conservatives (especially the anti-male feminist variety) have to take a back seat to a real Tea Party type who talks about other issues.

    In the case of Rand Paul, a religious guy or gal can be the candidate but he or she has to keep socon issues off the table.

    His father Ron Paul + Tancredo were the only GOP House members to vote against VAWA in 2005.

    Stopping anti-male feminism (excessive child support, banning pornography) should be high on all of our lists regarding politics.

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  40. Clarification: stopping those who would ban pornography would be on the top 10 issue list of most male voters in the US. Only O’Donnell and Paladino don’t understand this and they are the only Republicans losing by double digits (largely as a result).

    And Paladino is a total hypocrite. He admits to having sent porn emails to his friends every day for the past few years but says that is somehow irrelevant to his social conservative stance that liberals are “perverts and pornographers”.

    He’s a clown who thinks he knows a formula to get “conservative votes” other than the proven formula of “small government not intervening in our private lives”.

    The guy is facing double digit defeat because of this issue where he was running neck on neck with Cuomo just a few weeks ago. I’ve rarely seen a political candidate crash and burn so hard and fast as Paladino in New York.

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  41. By the way O’Donnell’s campaign manager Matt Moran, desperately tried to tell the world yesterday that his client, soon to be a big election loser like Palin was, did not really mean to question the idea of separation of church and state but just said the actual words “separation of church and state” didn’t appear in the 1st Amendment.

    This, sadly, isn’t true as the video shows:

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/christine-odonnell-where-in-the-constitution-is-the-separation-of-church-and-state.php

    So her own campaign manager was loudly saying “No – We’re not questioning separation of church and state” while Glenn Beck defended non-separation on his radio show where he said he doesn’t believe in evolution.

    Such nonsense threatens the size of the GOP victory on November 2nd – Beck can still go too far and pull defeat from the jaws of victory for many Republican candidates.

    The O’Donnell campaign manager is, unfortunately, just spinning as anyone who saw the video could tell the vapid but pretty candidate knew nothing about the establishment clause’s existence at all (the most embarrassing moment that comes at the end of the 8 minute video) nor could she identify what the 14th, 16th and 17th Amendments were (watching this incompetent and unvetted candidate flounder on this in the middle of the video was like watching her scratch her nails across a blackboard).

    Any Republican voter pulled off the street would be a more competent candidate.

    It is embarrassing to watch such a poorly chosen candidate and see the leftists behave like she represents conservatives and the Tea Party in any way.

    We’ve got to keep pretty but vapid women out of the list of possible candidates for the Republican Party.

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  42. Left wing ad against Sharon Angle in Nevada is sad because it depicts a female aging from age 8 to age 80:

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/seiu-ad-this-is-what-sharron-angle-will-do-to-women-video.php?ref=dcblt

    The female in the video grows up to be a 9 or 10 only to quickly become a 3 and then a 2 and then a 1.

    The feminists who made the ad clearly did not realize that their TV commercial was a major warning to men not to get married.

    I’m backing (and most of the men of Nevada are backing) Sharon Angle because she’s keeping social conservatism largely out of her campaign.

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  43. […] on sackless libertwerp Todd Seavey and the above-mentioned Dominique Francon-wannabe’s recent ex-lovers spat on C-SPAN: But since the details of Seavey’s and Mini-Rand’s relationship or lack thereof seem to […]

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  44. @Blah_Blah

    Jerry said:

    A big rule around the world is that nobody leaving a relationship, even if dumped, should reveal confidences that were supposed to be kept private.

    So now women don’t gossip.

    We aren’t going to expect women to meet ethical standards. Don’t be silly.

    People who need to meet ethical standards are men. Expectign women to do it isn’t reasonable.

    Jack Nicholson:

    “Q: How to you characterize a woman?
    A: First I take a man, and then I take away reason and responsibility.”

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  45. Do I get free points for spoting the Roger Dodger reference?

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  46. A while ago, I let a Canadian colleague of mine comment on WordPress using my account. I had shown him Roissy’s blog and he was reading with rapt attention.

    Alas for him, he was unwilling to get his own account, and never did. Why?

    His wife might find out what he was reading. She was an ardent feminist and if she discovered what he was looking at, she might explode and be disappointed in him.

    At this, I didn’t know what to say, but he had the same sad beta reaction that I’ve seen among many men. And he had married his woman.

    On one level, his kowtowing is contemptible. On another, … it’s understandable, if this is his only method of keeping the pussy that gives him access happy.

    What suggests itself to me, at least, is that you do what Roissy suggests and find yourself another way to keep that pussy happy (game).

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  47. he ‘dated’ her? for two years? she looks like a Downs Syndrome version of Peggy from Mad Men.

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  48. @ Gorbachev

    the Nicholson quote is a little off. it’s actually “I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”

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  49. @jkc,

    Thanks. I always loved that quote. Must remember it exactly like the encyclopedia I try to be.

    Best quote ever.

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  50. she looks like a Downs Syndrome version of Peggy from Mad Men.

    For the win.

    LMAO

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  51. Get this: Juan Williams, the liberal contributor to NPR (National Pinhead Radio), just got fired by NPR for admitting that he gets nervous when he sees Muslims in traditional garb on airplanes:

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/21/npr-fires-juan-williams-over-remarks-made-about-muslims-on-o%E2%80%99reilly-factor/

    He was trying to simply say that political correctness can lead to paralysis but NPR was having none of that.

    Do we support NPR with our taxes?

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  52. I can’t help wondering whether or not the whole thing was arranged by these two attention whores to garner publicity for one another.

    I found Rittelmeyer totally dislikeable & smug, with an over-inflated sense of her own intelligence and attractiveness. Are all American women this bad? Surely not.

    I felt a bit sorry for Seavey, who was clearly well out of his depth in dealing with her, but, having read his blog, he did build her up when going out with her to boost his own ego (look, this is my girlfriend, isn’t she marvellous) he had a bit of a role in creating the monster.

    Moral of the story: don’t rely on your girlfriend to give you status, particularly when she’s not all that.

    I wouldn’t feel particularly sorry for Taylor Swift. John Mayer comes with a health warning in neon headlights. We’ve all had our hearts broken at some stage. Again, I can’t help thinking this is all publicity too.

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  53. what
    @Blah_Blah
    @Jerry
    @Gorb

    EVERYONE gossips. That’s not the point. Is PUBLIC gossip that’s the issue HERE!!!

    READ my comment MUCH earlier than yours on Contrast and Compare…..Oct 20, 8:46

    A woman actually beat you in saying the same thing!

    You guys are way toooooo smug!

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  54. on October 21, 2010 at 9:36 am Ari Hinkelberger

    Hall of fame right here….

    “All you have to do is humor her long-winded conversations about privatized toll roads and expect nothing in the way of fidelity, and you’ll have hand in the relationship; a fuckbuddy for as long as you like.”

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  55. In case someone wants to say that the “Establishment Clause” of the 1st Amendment doesn’t establish separation of church and state, Thomas Jefferson himself said in 1802 that this is what he and the others meant (the Constitution is very poorly written as the US was one of the first democratic republics to try writing one).

    Jefferson didn’t help write the Constitution. He was in Paris, IIRC. There were established churches at the time. In fact, Massachussetts had one up to 1834. He did support said separation, and he helped write a Virginia law to that effect (in opposition to the anti-Federalist Patrick Henry). Still, O’Donnell was technically correct. The phrase is not in the Constitution, and it was meant as a one-way barrier (state stayed out of the Church), and it was restricted to the federal level. It took a lot of judicial ledgerdemain in the 50s and 60s to expand that view beyond what even Jefferson himself envisioned.

    The problem with O’Donnell isn’t so much her positions, but the fact that she’s a lightweight facing a hostile media who’ll go through her record with an electron microscope while ignoring far larger flaws in other Democrats. We don’t hear much about Alvin Greene, even though he’s losing just as badly as O’Donnell.

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  56. I found Rittelmeyer totally dislikeable & smug, with an over-inflated sense of her own intelligence and attractiveness. Are all American women this bad? Surely not.

    Her attitude is typical among a subset of college-educated women who have a GPA higher than 3.0. They often fancy themselves Jane Austen reincarnated, or something like that. Usually, the more you read, the more humble you become as you appreciate how great the truly great intellects are. Alas, this sense of humility evades most people these days until age 25, and in women it seems to be even more galling.

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  57. As a wise man once said “Islamophobia doesn’t hurt anyone. Islam does”. Having said that, Muslim men could help us defeat feminism if we had a government or CIA smart enough to ally with them on the matter.

    Regarding libertarians and the fight against feminism:

    I’ll repeat: Among Republicans, only the libertarian Ron Paul and the cool Congressman Tom Tancredo voted against the radical feminist VAWA in September 2005 when the ultra social conservative Senator Sam Brownback made a backroom deal with Washington Senator Maria Cantwell for her to not filibuster Alito’s nomination to the Supreme Court in return for him convincing the entire Republican caucus to vote for VAWA, which should not be renewed when it comes up for its renewal.

    We’ll see if the new Tea Party senators stab men in the back when VAWA comes up for renewal.

    @Leif

    Roissy knows all about Brownback and VAWA and how Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo were the only Republicans who opposed VAWA’s feminism. He’s written about Brownback’s treachery.

    So I am confused as you are about the nods he makes to social conservatives (who can’t be trusted to block feminism anymore) and the knocks he makes against libertarians…unless he is referring to how so many libertarians are all over the place on their specific pet issues (potheads only caring about legalizing maryjane).

    It is not as if the Tea Party candidates are NOT avoiding social conservative issues in this election. Of course they are.

    The trend in the Republican Party is to not be social conservative. Roissy would have to have noticed this. O’Donnell’s impending defeat in a sea of Republican victories will underscore this trend.

    Most of the Tea Party candidates (except the two who are losing badly mentioned above) are avoiding socon issues as much as the Dems are desperately trying to distance themselves from Obama, Obamacare, the Bail Out, the Stimulus, etc.

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  58. It is true that a lot of people on both the left and right, despite all evidence to the contrary, think that the Tea Party is somehow a movement to return America to social conservatism.

    Jane Austen wrote well but her later work is filled with some bitterness about what the real life version of Willoughby from Sense & Sensibility did to her (if you recall the character Marianne (Jane’s alter ego) was abandoned by that good looking alpha guy so she married the 37 year old Beta officer at the end): in real life Jane never settled for a Beta but I’d say her books celebrated them while villainizing alphas who make women fall in love with them (the real life version of Willoughby was an Irish MP’s son who rejected her in her teens and whom she never got over).

    The book she was writing when she died of Addison’s disease at age 39 was about date rape. It was called “The Brothers” (a nice guy and a date rapist as brothers).

    I’d talk about Jane if I were gaming a Yale woman. Its a big DHV for that crowd.

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  59. Jane Austen wrote well but her later work is filled with some bitterness about what the real life version of Willoughby from Sense & Sensibility did to her…

    Well, Jane Austen can think she’s Jane Austen. Chicks like Rittelmeyer…not so much.

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  60. Most of the Tea Party candidates (except the two who are losing badly mentioned above) are avoiding socon issues as much as the Dems are desperately trying to distance themselves from Obama, Obamacare, the Bail Out, the Stimulus, etc.

    They’re not avoiding socon issues. Those issues just aren’t looming as large as the issue with Obama, who himself is trying to avoid stirring up social issues, as can be seen with his appealing the DADT ruling. Had Obama been pushing heavily for gay marriage, you can bet that would be coming up. Moreover, one of the main complaints against Obamacare is that it will fund abortion thanks to Stupak’s surrender. In fact, that the most reliable fiscal cons tend to be social cons is telling in itself.

    The two candidates you point to are losing, but that’s more a consequence of their quite shaky personal lives, lack of resume, and an intensely hostile media.

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  62. Rock star status beta male on his knees begging a sea cow for exclusivity:

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  63. Admittedly Senator Demint is a very reliable financial conservative (and I believe he’s seen the light about VAWA) while his comments about sexually active women not being good as school teachers did not hurt him too much in his territory (I haven’t checked if he’s running this year but socons still dominate the GOP base in South Carolina).

    But South Carolina politics is different from the rest of the country, for instance where Toomey is possibly now 4 points behind Sestak in Pennsylvania because northeastern independents are starting to think that the neighboring states’ candidates O’Donnell and Paladino are what the Tea Party is all about.

    Strangely, South Carolina has more prostitution going on than Nevada. That’s one weird state. Myrtle Beach beats Las Vegas as a wild place.

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  64. Fiscally conservative, socially libertarian. That’s the holy grail of policy. Follow Canada’s example, America!

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  65. @Mukluk- social libertarianism only works in a country with the baseline IQ and future time orientation set fairly high. America does not have this privilege.

    But yes, Canada is a much saner, better run country. The contrast is a little too much to bear for this yank.

    I’m beginning to think the Parliamentary system is superior to our own….

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  66. Plus, neither I nor a lot of independents (nor even Obama apparently) think the issue of stopping gay marriage is just a “social conservative issue.” Its common sense not to let an agenda-driven group mess with such an institution. Fighting feminism isn’t a “social conservative issue” either.

    One can be opposed to Roe vs Wade because of the way it doesn’t give males a chance to deny fatherhood…and then that wouldn’t be a “social conservative issue”.

    Banning porn would be, however.

    Federal funding for Abstinence Education would be as well.

    Pushing to teach creationism in public schools…ditto.

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  67. Fiscally conservative, socially libertarian. That’s the holy grail of policy. Follow Canada’s example, America!

    You mean the country that tries people for criticizing Muslims? The country that prosecutes preachers for quoting the Bible about gays? No thanks.

    Look, we have critters who claim to be fiscally conservative and socially libertarian, and they all turn out like Arnold Schwarzenegger. The Maine sisters are another example. They and Spectre folded on the stimulus. No questions about abortion involved here.

    Another link being missed is that social libertarianism often leads to fiscal expenditure. Have rampant sex outside of marriage? Fine, but you’ll also have a lot of bastards and all the social costs that come with them. When you dig into these matters, you find there isn’t such a clear division between fiscal and social issues.

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  68. …O’Donnell and Paladino are what the Tea Party is all about.

    Look, will you at least acknowledge that Paladino’s and O’Donnell’s problems are largely personal, and that those personal flaws have been magnified by a hostile media.

    And, yes, DeMint is running. His opponent is Alvin Greene, a guy being prosecuted for a felony. He was nominated solely based on his skin color. Of course, he doesn’t get the Christine O’Donnell treatment from the press, even though there are plenty of great video gags from the guy.

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  69. “Plus, neither I nor a lot of independents (nor even Obama apparently) think the issue of stopping gay marriage is just a “social conservative issue.”

    Abortion and gay marriage. Red fucking herring FTW.

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  70. Gay marriage and abortion are two of the biggest social conservative issues out there, Jerry. The only one in the same class is out-of-wedlock births. The other ones are, at best, minor and local concerns.

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  71. “Fiscally conservative”

    So that’s what our $55 billion budget deficit is?

    “Socially Libertarian”

    I think you mean socialist. What with:

    -Our three left wing parties and one centrist “conservative” party in parliament.

    -50% top tax bracket.

    -No right of (dis)association.

    -No right to criticize favoured minorities (see above comment about prosecutions).

    -Revisionist history and the state ideology of multiculturalism being taught from kindergarten to grade 12, plus university.

    Oh, but we’re allowed to smoke pot! Totally libertarian! Woo!

    Oh, and Dream Puppy, we bring in 1% of our population each year from the third world. I don’t think our high IQ advantage will last much longer.

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  72. Polich, what is your stance on monetary policy?

    For the record, it is an irrefutable fact that Canada is a better run country, both on the provincial and federal level. For you to cite that Canada censors people is pretty rich considering that the USA has cart blanch to murder/imprison any citizen that is “deemed a threat.”

    However, I don’t want to dwell on the nuances of each country’s totalitarianisms….let’s talk gold standard vs greenback vs debt based. What’s your poison?

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  73. @ASDF Canadian immigration has been changing in tone for the last couple of years. At least you guys are having a debate over what will benefit the country. America is not allowed to do that.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/05/03/frum.immigration.education/index.html?hpt=C2

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/06/17/who-doesnt-get-into-canada/

    Further, the bulk of your immigrants come from Asian and central Asia. Aside from your Somali/Jamaican “community” your immigration policy is nowhere as bad as ours…at least you have one.

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  74. For most Canadian specifics, you can address ASDF there, dream puppy.

    For you to cite that Canada censors people is pretty rich considering that the USA has cart blanch to murder/imprison any citizen that is “deemed a threat.”

    Yeah, yeah, scum like Awlawki can be capped? So what? I’m not thrilled with the policy, but it’s not in the same class as prosecuting non-violent citizens for their speech.

    As for being a goldbug, I really don’t have a strong stance for it. Are you telling me Canada works on the gold standard?

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  75. Canada has a deficit? Big whoop. Canada has the smallest proportional budget deficit relative to GDP of the G7 nations. We were forced to incur this deficit as an unavoidable result of the worst economic meltdown since 1933, but we are keeping it to a minimum. Prior to this, we ran ELEVEN consecutive budget surpluses, and brought our debt-to-GDP ratio down from 71% to 29%.

    Pointing out other flaws Canada has (hate speech laws and immigration problems) doesn’t change the fact that Canada is the best-run country in the world right now.

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  76. Hey, fellow Americans,

    I have to throw in 2c.

    Dreampuppy has it right; Canada seems pretty well-run. Nothing adventurous, but nothing awful. I was there in the summer and the place seems pretty happy and uncontroversial.

    The cities I saw (Toronto area) were well-run and clean and seemed well-to-do.

    There was none of the dystopian shit you get down here. None of it.

    They sent me to a bad area of town – it looked like a middle-class suburb here.

    Seriously, they’re doing something right up there. But the place is so socialized I’ve been baffled as to what that thing they do right actually is.

    And I’ve never met a bigger bunch of whiners.

    You want to see right-wing fantasies gone wild, go to Asia. HK or Korea. There, literally everything is sharply delineated by class and there might as well be 10-mile high iron fences between the classes.

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  77. Yes, O’Donnell and Paladino are known by smart people for being aberrations…outliers…flawed people who shouldn’t have been chosen for their races. Their chances are gone but we can still save Toomey in Pennsylvania if people like Glenn Beck don’t spend the next 10 days going off the deep end about how evolution is wrong.

    For the dumb masses, however, leftists are trying to paint them as representative of the Tea Party and that isn’t fair. This tactic won’t work. Voters know the Tea Party mainly stands for low taxes and small government.

    But the flaws of those two have been manifesting themselves recently in statements that were meant to attract voters from a bygone era.

    Paladino, who knew he was famous for sending porn emails, had the nerve to call liberals “perverts and pornographers” last week and consequently saw his chances to win the governorship of NY drop like a rock to “no chance”. The media didn’t do that to him. He did that to himself.

    O’Donnell, when asked what Supreme Court decisions she didn’t agree with, looked puzzled for awhile and then said that the only ones she could think of were the ones that upheld porn as free speech. All the media did was show her saying things like that.

    Its great if one thinks of gay marriage and abortion as the main “social conservative issues” because I have no problem with those who oppose both of those and neither do most heterosexual men.

    Neither of the above two flawed candidates hurt themselves talking about those issues.

    But opposition to pornography and premarital sex, anti-john laws never before passed against men in history, new laws widening the definition of sex offenders, the raising of the age of consent…all these are the kind of social conservatism that male voters are repulsed by.

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  78. Gorb- We have high levels of social goodwill and almost none of the social fragmentation by education, race, and economic class that America has.

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  79. @Polich. What? No. Anyway, I am not Canadian.

    Goldbugz’s argument consist of the assertion that it is better than the Bretton system. However, the wealthy still own the gold and can use it to manipulate the populous (contract the money supply, people can’t pay debt, go to banks, lease our their land). It is a distraction, as in both systems, the banksters, elite control the money supply (either in gold or debt or monkeys) .

    It’s the same shit.

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  80. @Mukluk,

    From what I’ve read, fiscally, Canada seems to be the best-run place on Earth, including China (which I know a lot more about).

    The banking system truly is rock – solid. Not one bank collapse, not even a scare or a jolt. Not even a ripple. Pensions and pension funds so healthy they actually own too much of the economy. A buddy told me that the teachers pension fund from some province is the country’s biggest landlord and owns half the valuable real estate in NY state. Posts 11% gains during the recession and calls it bad years.

    In my state, we’re terrified about cities declaring themselves bankrupt and not having money for things like sewers or paying the legions of useless women clogging up the bureaucratic arteries.

    They’re doing something right, and not even Canadians can tell me what it is. They all contradict each other. I work with some.

    They’re also sitting on most of our remaining oil in North America and there’s a shitload of it. Also diamonds, gold, minerals, and everything else – and almost all of the water.

    Their cities are prosperous and orderly. Their people happy and their bank accounts fat.

    WTF?

    WTF? How did this socialist dystopia do this while we weren’t looking?

    I know Canadians in academia going *home* now. We used to get immigrants from the place. They’re leaving in droves.

    And it’s looking worse and worse for us and better and better for them.

    I’m not convinced about communist medicare or multiculti ideology, but they did something right.

    PS

    The media types and the elite up there are all mixed. The proles may be all-white, but the ruling class in Canada seems to be pretty cross-racial. Lots of Asians, plenty of Indians, lots of white. So sorry to bang my old drum again, but I’m going to put my money on this one:

    *THEY HAVE AN IMMIGRATION POLICY THAT SELECTS SMART IMMIGRANTS*
    They’ve been doing it for 40 years. They don’t even select for race.

    We have *NO* policy of any kind.

    They get the smartest and brightest from everywhere. We get the dumpster-class from every Latin American dumpster.

    We’d better wise up.

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  81. Seriously, they’re doing something right up there. But the place is so socialized I’ve been baffled as to what that thing they do right actually is.

    Picking the right people to be born there. Also, they’re able to contract out their defense responsibility to the U.S. They share no border with a Third World country, and they have a very small population relative to their landmass.

    If we implemented Canada’s system, we’d be in worse shape than Great Britain. I’m glad life is good for Canada, for now, but it won’t export well. Spare us the smug, canucks.

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  82. Ironically, Toronto is far more fragmented and Americanized than the rest of Canada.

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  83. @Mukluk,

    Okay, so you have none of the social disintegration and high levels of trust and goodwill.

    You also have a mixed population and when I was in Toronto, the people seemed happy and integrated and from basically everywhere. I heard dozens of languages – including Chinese and Korean – and there was no sign of a looming race war.

    I come from New England, and while a happy smiley place, even my city is a cesspool by comparison – and it’s a good example of a happy American town.

    So – where are the racial politics?

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  84. Legalized pot is, literally, the opiate of the masses.

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  85. …all these are the kind of social conservatism that male voters are repulsed by.

    Well, the GOP doesn’t exactly have a gender gap problem with men.

    Anyhow, I can see O’Donnell’s point on porn. Would the founding fathers have given it protection? I’m not in favor of censorship, but it is a valid question. Yes, she could have come up with better cases (Roe v. Wade), but this one at least addresses the GOP real gender gap problem.

    Also, notice how the press doesn’t really follow up on Chris Coon’s delusional belief that Australia is militarily aligning against us with China, or the fact that he’ll make beaucoup bucks off of Cap ‘n’ Trade.

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  86. I knew that somebody would bring up “the best of the worst (G7)” argument. How about trying to be the best of the best, instead of being proud that we don’t suck as much as the competition?

    There was no need for this deficit. It was all just stimulus spending to get union votes, which could have been accomplished by telling the unions that we were going to stop undercutting their bargaining power by curtailing immigration, currently the highest per capita in the world.

    Furthermore, our real estate bubble hasn’t popped yet. Just wait, Gorbachev.

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  87. @Polichinello,

    Picking the right people to be born there. Also, they’re able to contract out their defense responsibility to the U.S. They share no border with a Third World country, and they have a very small population relative to their landmass.

    That’s a big one. I wonder if it would be different if Russia had Alaska and they shared a border.

    What about Greenland. Any border problems?

    If we implemented Canada’s system, we’d be in worse shape than Great Britain. I’m glad life is good for Canada, for now, but it won’t export well. Spare us the smug, canucks.

    The place does seem pretty sparsely populated. Outside the cities, there’s basically no one. It’s like a dreamland, actually: You can drive in the north for a day and see nothing but tiny, quaint towns and villages and endless wildlife. Hunting licenses are cheap and they let you keep what you kill. And the fishing is unbelievable – but I’m more of a saltwater fishing fan.

    I don’t think it would export well, either. But the financial system is what I’m interested in. And no-one can explain it to me.

    I’m convinced most of the success of a country is founded in its financial systems. And I think this is true across cultures, government philosophies and times.

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  88. I too once skipped between Korea, Toronto and Boston on my way to Zaire by way of Italy, with a layover in Uruguay. And then felt competent to comment authoritatively about long-term socio-demographic developments in Canada.

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  89. This is lol insane: Todd Seavey personal ad from 2007. Talk about issues with women.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20080205050037/http://toddseavey.com/seavey-personal-ad/

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  90. @Mukluk,

    I’ve been all over the world, and the one thing that struck me about Toronto was that it looked American, but felt totally different. Big, bustling, but peaceful, orderly in the extreme, like a German or Austrian city, with no abrasiveness. Cafes and restaurants. My GF went nuts in the place – she’s SWPL to the max, and she basically thought it was what our home town should be.

    I’ve got doubts about that, but if Toronto was “American” and divided, then you people don’t know shit about divided. Or American.

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  91. Gorbachev:

    We don’t have racial politics. We have white flight. Try talking to an actual Torontonian next time you’re there instead of palling around with immigrants who are simultaneously happy to be out of whatever dump they came from, and eager to turn Canada back into their home country.

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  92. @ASDF,

    See, I knew someone would explain it to me eventually.
    Had to be cracks somewhere.

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  93. @PA,

    PA
    I too once skipped between Korea, Toronto and Boston on my way to Zaire by way of Italy, with a layover in Uruguay. And then felt competent to coment authoritatively about long-term socio-demographic developments in Canada.

    I must have seen you on the plane.

    Were you the guy with the tattoo of the pink penguin on his shoulder or the crew cut and swastika on the forehead?

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  94. I can’t even mention immigration to people I work with. They look at me either in fear (“ARE YOU NUTS?”) or in pre-judgmental disgust (“I just dare you!”).

    Fuckers.

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  95. Texas is in the same relative position. Lots of job creation, no huge debt problems, but it’s also lucky. It has a large coast and lots of space to expand. In ten years or so, we’ll be like CA.

    But we do have great saltwater fishing here, Gorbachev. Redfish, specks and flounder inshore, marlins, snappers and tarpons offshore.

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  96. Where in New England are you from, and what makes it a cesspool? I was in Maine once. It seemed nice, and very white.

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  97. @Palich – it’s similar to USA with a central bank, with the big difference being that the bank is public, not private (run by special interests- Helicopter Ben, Santa Claus to all banksters!) like ours.

    “The Bank was founded in 1934 as a privately owned corporation. In 1938, it became a Crown corporation belonging to the federal government. Since that time, the Minister of Finance has held the entire share capital issued by the Bank. Ultimately, the Bank is owned by the people of Canada.”

    This alone should resolve the debate on what country is better run.

    Here’s more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_Canada

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  98. bwt @ASDF i posted on immigration upthread up it got lost in moderation.

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  99. @Polichinello,

    I know you’ve got good fishing down there. I always meant to get to Texas and check it out, never had the time.

    Any mess from the Gulf?

    Marlins are supposed to be great there. I saw something about that a while ago. Yes, I watch fishing. Sometimes.

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  100. @ASDF

    Boston. Maine is awesome. So is my home state (small). But these places bleed people and have no jobs to speak of.

    Kind of an advantage, actually, if you have a job.

    Boston and NYC are both relatively cesspools. Frankly, every American city has ghettos and cesspools worthy of singing about.

    I was in Toronto for a bit, and I saw nothing – nothing – to compare. Not even close on the scale of what I see every day.

    There are subway stops you just don’t go to here. And NYC, there are subway lines it’s better to stay off of.

    Compare to Seoul – Toronto was like Seoul. No section of the city is basically bad. It’s all varying kinds of good-ok-acceptable.

    Every American city is burdened with war zones.

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  101. I must have seen you on the plane.

    Heh, gotta give you this — you take ‘agree and amplify’ to entire new levels of likeability.

    Were you the guy with the tattoo of the pink penguin on his shoulder or the crew cut and swastika on the forehead?

    No. They were my security detail. Remember that empty seat in front of you? and that hot flight attendant who oddly was not seen until the end of the flight? … that was my seat.

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  102. @Dream Puppy,

    How many other countries have a publicly-owned bank?

    And how do you keep the politicians from bleeding the currency dry to give money to people?

    I’d have thought socialists would have ruined it by now.

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  103. @PA
    I must have seen you on the plane.

    Heh, gotta give you this — you take ‘agree and amplify’ to entire new levels of likeability.

    I don’t aim to please, it just happens naturally.

    Were you the guy with the tattoo of the pink penguin on his shoulder or the crew cut and swastika on the forehead?

    No. They were my security detail. Remember that empty seat in front of you? and that hot flight attendant who oddly was not seen until the end of the flight? … that was my seat.

    You mean the one I took to the secure lounge before we boarded? She was a tasty one, it’s true.

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  104. You mean the one I took to the secure lounge before we boarded? She was a tasty one, it’s true.

    And daaaaam, she sure was tight!

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  105. G,

    There’s no oil in the water, at least not any more than is usual. The BP thing was a lot hoohaw over what turned out to be nothing*. The Gulf naturally leaks millions of barrels every year, and it has a load of bacteria that eats up oil. You’ll still find slicks in areas in LA, AL, MS and FL. TX was upstream of the loop current from the spill so it only got the slightest of washback, and that’s well gone now.

    *BP did fuck up, and they deserve to be fined more than they have been, but the predictions of environgeddon were just plain stupid.

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  106. @PA
    You mean the one I took to the secure lounge before we boarded? She was a tasty one, it’s true.

    And daaaaam, she sure was tight!

    Not after we said goodbye the morning after the layover.

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  107. it’s similar to USA with a central bank, with the big difference being that the bank is public, not private (run by special interests- Helicopter Ben, Santa Claus to all banksters!) like ours.

    Well, the Canadian dollar isn’t a world reserve currency like the U.S. dollar, so it’s not going to attract the sort of corruption you see in Washington.

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  108. @Polinichello,

    and that’s well gone now.

    Seems like a nice place to settle down once the People’s Republic up here decides I’m not welcome any more.

    How are the divorce laws down there? I also hear they’re pretty good.

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  109. No alimony, no community property. You still want to use a good lawyer, though.

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  110. @Gorb

    “How many other countries have a publicly-owned bank?”

    42

    “And how do you keep the politicians from bleeding the currency dry to give money to people?”

    Sound government. Long term thinking. Non-hostile elite.

    “I’d have thought socialists would have ruined it by now.”

    Irrelevant. In a proper Greenback system printing a vast surplus of money would still be better than the system of usury we have today. A quote, if I may:

    “If this mischievous financial policy [Greenback] should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”

    -London Times, 1865

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  111. @Dreampuppy,

    So how was Canada able to do it?

    I’ve never had this explained to me properly: how having a publicly – run fiscal policy didn’t turn into a nightmare of inflation and special interests demanding endless supplies of cash.

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  112. “In Russia that could get a young man killed by her brother or father or their connections”

    Hardly. In Russia most young women are raised by single moms. Russians have very little tribal loyalty – you must be thinking of Armenians or Jews.

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  113. Helen Rittlemeyer graduated from Yale in 08, making her 26 years old. She looks close to 40. I find it somewhat ironic that she writes a blog called “The Cigarette Smoking Blog,” since her face is probably one of the most convincing ads agaisnt smoking I’ve seen in some time.

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  114. Jerry

    Get this: Juan Williams, the liberal contributor to NPR (National Pinhead Radio), just got fired by NPR

    haha ha

    Do we support NPR with our taxes?

    $ fully and 100%

    Free speech – not even close.

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  115. @Gorb, I have no idea. Note they still have a system of debt based money and the private banks create money. The greenback system is a good one, but a long dead one.

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  116. $ fully and 100%

    They also rely on contributions from listeners, so not fully and 100%. At any rate, not having a side-contract renewed (he’s not losing his main gig at Fox) is a little different than being dragged into court and threatened with jail and fines by the government.

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  117. on October 21, 2010 at 12:42 pm Professor Woland

    This guy should be grateful he was not married to this harridan or had a child with her. Otherwise he would be forced to deal with her shit for the next 18 years.

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  118. Gorbachev

    How many other countries have a publicly-owned bank?

    A central bank? Actually, quite a few. It is the FED that is kinda unusual.

    The rules got tightened up, proper checks and balances set up. Anyone can access the info, so it is not easy to pull a fast one.

    And how do you keep the politicians from bleeding the currency dry to give money to people?
    I’d have thought socialists would have ruined it by now.

    They nearly did in early 90’s. It is a mater of fiscal policy, though, not of the banking system per se. Of course, if the gummint acts irresponsibly, then even a good banking system base may not save the country.

    One thing that sets Canadian banking apart are the rules about derivative instruments. They are extra strict, so the system did not get loaded with toxic assets, or it is a bearable minimum that won’t make it unstable.

    Regarding social policies, welfare is in provincial jurisdictions and as far as I can tell, it gotten tightened up in recent decade or so, at least in BC.

    Health care, can’t say, I am my own doc, last time I was in a doc office was in 1991, I think. Had an accident in 2005 (man x car collision) and had to be persuaded by the paramedic (it was a very comely she, how could I resist?) to take me to the hospital to check that my viability has not been substantially dented. It was not, though my walking was impaired for about 2 months. But I am a toughie, the car was in worse shape than me.

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  119. ASDF, what’s a true Torontonian? How many people actually grow up in a city from birth to adulthood, and I don’t mean the surrounding suburbs? You sound like those obnoxious New Yorkers who constantly proclaim that everybody else isn’t a true new yorker but they are. The rest of Canada has hated torontonians long before it’s influx of immigrants.

    I think it seems like white flight, mainly because there are more white people here. It’s more of an economic flight. Rich people have always wanted to get away from the poor.

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  120. Canada’s banks are very conservative by nature. Plus, we don’t have any asshole Alinsky “community organizers” pushing through legislation that would make it impossible not to give bums mortgage credit. If you don’t have a 25% down payment for a property, you have to get mortgage insurance.

    Toronto is multicultural yes-great ethnic food and a non-stop demand to “celebrate diversity”. Sometimes they are hard working and honest (Asians, Indians, various Europeans) and sometimes they are terrorist supporters (Tamils, Somalis) and sometimes bring quaint cultural traditions like Islamic honour murders (Pakistan) and industrious drug dealing (Jamaica).

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  121. Diversity! Our greatest strength!!

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  122. on October 21, 2010 at 2:35 pm Horatio Sanchez

    Gorby, I’ve started to warm up to you, but your post on Canada’s banking system was ludicrous dude. Observe Canada’s “rock solid” banking system and what is has wrought: http://www.crackshackormansion.com/

    Canada has the second least affordable housing on the planet. That situation also goes by another name: a giant fucking bubble, and such bubbles only get started by lax regulation and loose monetary policies. The facts are all over the place if you wish to educate yourself, but I expect at least a few of the financially inept true believers will nonetheless chip in with how “it’s different this time”.

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  123. Seavey really should never have made her exclusive. Even my own mother encouraged me to have multiple girlfriends. Damn, I was dating a woman on again off again for 2+ years who used to buy me all kinds of shyt. Whenever there was a disagreement, she wouldn’t talk to me for 2-3 weeks. So during that time I behaved like a bachelor and banged other chicks. Seavey is depressing.

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  124. “The world’s biggest, raunchiest, most unethical sluts are libertarian chicks. They will jump on just about any cock that is half-way alpha. The libertard girl craves the mightily aloof cock like no other woman.”

    This may be have some relation to Ferdinand Bardamu’s theory that all libertarians are nerds.

    <A HREF="In Mala Fide

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  125. Toronto sucks. Think about the most ardent feminist American bytches you can imagine, and then multiply the bitchiness x10 and add in a hefty dose of entitlement and snobbery and you have your average white Torontonian c*nt of a woman. Trust me, I grew up in Toronto.

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  126. jim

    ASDF, what’s a true Torontonian?

    A skinny blond chick,
    who immediately after participating in an anti G20 riot, hurries to arrive at pro Muslim immigration rally.

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  127. on October 21, 2010 at 2:50 pm rebelliousvanilla

    Gorbachev, you should email Polymath the questions you have related to financial systems and have him forward them to me and I will explain what questions you have.

    Oh, and to the person who quoted the London Times – I wonder what kind of crackpot idiot wrote that. Politicians printing money is even worse, unless you have a gold standard. I’d have no problem if I was American with Congress printing money provided I could go and claim the gold it’s backed by whenever I wanted. Otherwise you must be deranged to support people who like buying votes to print the money. lol

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  128. Jim:

    If a New Yorker grew up in New York, then obviously they are more of a New Yorker than a Midwest transplant, to say nothing of some third worlder who can’t speak English.

    I was born and grew up in my city (not Toronto), and I have every right to complain that it has doubled in size because of Canada’s irresponsible immigration policy. Hell, half of Toronto’s population was born outside of Canada. You don’t think born and bred Canadians have a right to complain about that?

    Re: White flight. Have you ever been to Toronto? There is sprawl for a hundred km in any direction. Do you really expect me to believe that all these mediocre suburbs are full of rich people trying to get away from Toronto?

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  129. @Hot Karl

    I’m in Toronto. Those bitchy c*nts were my former colleagues and bosses. You forgot fat and bitter and desperate. Lots of angry lesbaneses, too.

    There are lots of fun, normal, good looking people here though.

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  130. colder the country, cuntier the bitches.

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  131. I’ll agree that of all the places I’ve traveled in the world, Toronto had the nastiest young feminists. Its the only city I’ve ever given the finger to from an airplane taking off. It wasn’t worth my time. Life is too short.

    But the city was clean and had no bad neighborhoods, as if that mattered.

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  132. Upon reflection, some of you Americans have a really shitty attitude. Canada has lots of problems, and just because your country is worse, doesn’t mean that we have to join you down there. What’s wrong with wanting to improve what we have?

    Yes, our immigration policy ensures that most of them don’t start raping and murdering the minute they get off the plane. Is that really all it takes for immigration to be labeled a success in your eyes? That there are no “no-go” Canadian neighbourhoods? They still contribute to sprawl, cost money, have elevated crime somewhat, and have changed the cultural character of the country.

    And yes, our country has better finances than the G7. Is that really something to be proud of? That we don’t suck as much as France? Or Japan? Or England? That we aren’t bankrupt like the US? We have a massive budget deficit, and an un-popped housing bubble caused by cheap credit and immigration. All unnecessary.

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  133. @Rebellious – And who owns the gold? I explained upthread why the gold standard is almost as bad as the debt standard we currently posses. A government controlled fiat system is a better solution. Even if the government spends too much it is not subject to usury or blackmail by holders of debt.

    It is obviously flawed, but not as much as currency controlled by private interest and backed by goods the people do not posses.

    Plus, gold is fiat now as well.

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  134. @jerry, elle

    I used to think it was me, growing up in Toronto. No, the women here really are nasty feminists, the worst kind you can imagine. Lots of angry lesbos too. That and worthless spoiled whores.

    I couldn’t believe the difference when I first left and nearly fell off my chair when a gorgeous girl from the east coast came up to me and started chatting me up in Montreal.

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  135. @ASDF I used to think the unofficial Canadian motto of “Everything America does, we do not do. Everything America is, we are not.” was smug and reactionary.

    Now I think (even if by fluke) it has been a great way to govern.

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  136. The sad part about many Canadians is that they define themselves as being ‘Not American’. Personally, I’m glad the US is our neighbour.

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  137. on October 21, 2010 at 4:23 pm rebelliousvanilla

    dream, I’m too lazy to explain finance here. First of all, printing of money isn’t a legitimate way to finance a government, taxes serve that purpose. But hey, I’d love the US to implement your system. I’d try to borrow as much money in USD as I could because it would become worthless even faster.

    First of all, money is a means of exchange and of storing value, primarely. When you exchange money, you actually exchange the purchasing power of that money. What you describe is simply financial socialism. All communist countries had your system and they worked brilliantly. Only an idiot would hold that currency – but again, this is why in communist countries having foreign currency was illegal.

    Anyway, money ALWAYS has to be backed by something or it is worthless. Learn some accounting. Money is a liability for the issuers in exchange for the assets on the balance sheet of the central banks. If you print money and the assets stay the same, money loses its value. So don’t believe that your system does no bad and nobody profits. Everybody who gets governmental money profits, everyone who saves or holds governmental money loses. In a system like the one that you like, people usually save in other currencies.

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  138. And the fact that upwards of 70% of Canadian economic activity is tied to business done with American companies is often lost on many Canadians I talk to. That alone makes the smugness a little hard to bear and ridiculous. Kind of like Paris Hilton’s lap dog bitching about the kind of food it’s being fed. And yes, I’m well aware of who Paris Hilton represents in that analogy. It seems increasingly apt nowadays.

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  139. Roissy,

    Did you even listen to how the supposedly “Randian” girl described herself:

    “I am a social conservative with a Burkean bent…”

    That is not a Randian!!

    Rand’s philosophy rejects social Conservatism and it rejects Burkean skepticism. This girl was no Objectivist.

    Also, Objectivists are not libertarians. They completely reject libertarianism. Why? For being subjectivist in epistemological orientation.

    Rand’s philosophy is oriented around rational, objective values. Her differences with the religious crowd (one of many) is that she thinks values are objective based on naturalist premises. Religionists see objective values originating from a divine source.

    Regarding sex, those women trying to apply Rand’s philosophy will only want men who are value oriented and possess Rand’s list of 7 virtues – all of them being different manifestations of rationality.

    So, once again, I find it to be true that when someone bashes Rand, 99% of the time they have no clue of what Rand actually stood for. In this case, the damn girl isn’t even a Randian.

    [Editor: All right, all right, so sue me! I was paying more attention to her rack.]

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  140. And vanilla, I am too lazy to explain why you’re wrong. So here we are. There is no point in trying to back up a currency with goods that are mostly owned by a few elite. That gives them enormous power.

    The dream of gold is dead. Gold is fiat. DONE. Se murio. Adios. See: Larry Summers; or actually the late Roman empire if you want to get technical.

    I am well versed on finance and accounting. Getting away from debt based currency to gold based currency is a trendy proposition know. If you were to study a little bit of American financial history you would learn that the Greenback system was by and large the most successful. Read up on Franklin’s monetary policy in Pennsylvania.

    http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/fraud/how-benjamin-franklin-made-new-england-prosperous/

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  141. @Hot Karl
    Toronto sucks. Think about the most ardent feminist American bytches you can imagine, and then multiply the bitchiness x10 and add in a hefty dose of entitlement and snobbery and you have your average white Torontonian c*nt of a woman. Trust me, I grew up in Toronto.

    That’s what I thought. I just the place seemed well-run.

    But Canada as a whole seems hugely socialist. Actually, I’ve been to socialist countries and Canada seems more socialist. But still successful.

    I want to know the answer why. It defies American conservatism.

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  142. @Hot Karl
    The sad part about many Canadians is that they define themselves as being ‘Not American’. Personally, I’m glad the US is our neighbour.

    Better than being Finland, Korea or anywhere next to Germany.

    I say the US has been pretty good to Canada for you all to be so damned smug.

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  143. Canada=”Spare America”

    they better start sharpening their ice skates if global warming turns out to be true

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  144. @dana

    Canada=”Spare America”

    they better start sharpening their ice skates if global warming turns out to be true

    Thank you, Dana. Made my day again.

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  145. on October 21, 2010 at 7:03 pm rebelliousvanilla

    Dream, I wonder what kind of idiot can say that gold is fiat. What is a fiat money system is the thing you describe since the money you talk about have no value, they have to be legal tender or nobody would accept it and so on. These are features of fiat money systems.

    Your use of terms, like fiat, is the same way leftists use sexist and racist, by the way. It’s amusing that someone who consider himself knowledgeable about finance would do this. Also, what you quoted isn’t really an economic article. I hope you don’t consider the fact that you read things such as those as having financial or accounting knowledge.

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  146. Then what do you suggest reading? (its she btw) You’ve given no evidence that gold is the best except for your own assertions (I much prefer silver).

    And why gold? Why not a basket of goods? Why a product that only the rich own in large amounts? Why a product that the rich can use to influence the money supply? Why a product that has been sold in excess to the supply? If everyone takes delivery at once we’re fucked.

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  147. Toronto sucks. Think about the most ardent feminist American bytches you can imagine, and then multiply the bitchiness x10 and add in a hefty dose of entitlement and snobbery and you have your average white Torontonian c*nt of a woman. Trust me, I grew up in Toronto.

    I live in Vancouver, and recently, just for the hell of it, I’ve been posting a bunch of Roissy maxims of my facebook wall.

    Not good.

    My inbox was flooded with females who now, I believe, hate me.

    How does this relate to me being from Canada? Well, it’s hard to say. I imagine a similar reaction would be visited upon an american who posted roissy’s maxims on his wall. But Canada has a peculiar hostility for speech that is not…correct.

    At least americans are willing to die for free speech, including any speech. Canadians will fight for community cohesion more than they will for free speech. It’s the Singapore solution. Crush anything that may cause instability.

    It’s unfortunate, because women need to read this website.

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  148. A Torontonian defined:

    A skinny blond chick,
    who immediately after participating in an anti G20 riot, hurries to arrive at pro Muslim immigration rally.

    Yes, but you forgot that she must be screaming at the top of her lungs: “DIVERSITY, SUSTAINABILITY, AND INCLUSIVITY FOR ALL”!!!

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  149. @Mukluk,

    Pointing out other flaws Canada has (hate speech laws and immigration problems)

    I think this important for anyone curious about Canada.

    Hate speech/Free Speech.

    American can say anything they want. So can Canadians.

    Maybe.

    Ann Coulter wasn’t allowed to speak at the University of Ottawa:

    http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blogs/posted/archive/2010/03/23/ann-coulter-event-at-the-university-of-ottawa-cancelled-over-security-concerns.aspx

    This is important. Look. I don’t care what you feel about Ann Coulter. That’s not the point. The point is,

    SHE WASN’T EVEN ALLOWED TO SPEAK.

    Welcome to Canada.

    A well-ordered, clean and efficient society comes at a cost.

    As I said earlier, I posted several roissy maxims on my facebook wall. Those maxims are not hatespeech; they’re comedy. with a little bit of truth. but not hatespeech.

    but canadian women will not have it. let em defriend me.

    fuck ’em.

    Regardless of the crime, cronyism, inefficiency, etc. the USA is still the one and only place which unashamedly protects free speech (no matter how unsavory) and individual liberties.

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  150. On Canada and free speech and feminism:

    The guy I know who was terrified his wife would find him reading this blog and responded using my account for a while to avoid having the trace on his email account (is that beta or what: I tried to tell him):

    He was from Toronto.

    I never met his wife, but apparently, your men are terrified.

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  151. Come to Canada, where the men are men, and the women are too.

    But to the detractors….come on. The argument was initially which country IN GENERAL is best GOVERNED. Canada wins hands down.

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  152. Gorbachev- I had to take off earlier, but to answer your question, I think that racial fragmentation is embedded in the DNA of the US. Even at the declaration of independence there was an awareness that it would be a country formed by two primary cultures: the anglo-saxons and the africans, which are fundamentally incompatible. The pretext of slavery only exacerbated this rift.

    Canada’s culture was defined fully by Britain, except in Quebec which had its own French culture. Unlike in the US, the French culture was confined to one province, and although there have often been tensions between the English and French cultures in Canada, they have been manageable (although not without rough spots). The French and English cultures are more compatible, and were not predicated on a slave-master relationship. Waves of immigrants arrived, almost exclusively from Europe until the 1950s, and they were able to assimilate successfully, again due to compatible culture and religion.

    My theory is that a society with a degree of cultural homogeneity can integrate a limited proportion of new immigrants into that culture and still remain coherent and harmonious. That proportion varies based on how compatible their culture is with Canadian culture. A million western Europeans could arrive in Canada tomorrow and be assimilated quite easily. 250,000 3rd-worlders, though, as is the case at present, is not possible without problems.

    Toronto shows that when that proportion of incompatibles is too high, cultural heterogeneity, and consequently disharmony, is generated. America has ALWAYS been culturally heterogeneous. As a result of America’s cultural structure, other minorities feel no pressure to assimilate themselves (particularly the hispanics, but also others depending on region).

    Toronto is the most inharmonious part of Canada, and it’s not coincidental that it’s also where half of the immigrants go. Toronto is like an airplane: it’s full of random people that have nothing in common with each other, who are only there because they have to be. Some small talk might be forced, but for the most part everyone prefers to just look at their shoes and get through the day without interacting with anyone. Perhaps, though, the Canadian ruling class understands this and chooses for it to be this way. They understand that Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal will be the alphabet soup pots and the rest of Canada can remain culturally coherent.

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  153. on October 21, 2010 at 8:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’As I said earlier, I posted several roissy maxims on my facebook wall. Those maxims are not hatespeech; they’re comedy. with a little bit of truth. but not hatespeech.

    but canadian women will not have it. let em defriend me.

    fuck ‘em.

    Regardless of the crime, cronyism, inefficiency, etc. the USA is still the one and only place which unashamedly protects free speech (no matter how unsavory) and individual liberties.

    ””””””””

    Yea I guess it really will be fantastic in the future.

    If there is no free will is there life?

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  154. @Mukluk

    Gorbachev- I had to take off earlier, but to answer your question, I think that racial fragmentation is embedded in the DNA of the US. Even at the declaration of independence there was an awareness that it would be a country formed by two primary cultures: the anglo-saxons and the africans, which are fundamentally incompatible. The pretext of slavery only exacerbated this rift.

    Okay, this is more or less accurate.

    I’d like to point out that at the time, the ethnic makeup of the two places was the same. Basically, yours were the colonies that didn’t join the revolution; ours did. Some of them were dodgy calls (NY city almost survived as a large Long Island-big HK next to the US; there was some talk of this at the time; and Maine could have been subdued, and the British wanted to do it; and the negotiations favored the new USA, but might not have: the Brits could have pushed for everything north of Detroit, including Michigan, and likely gotten it, and might have made off with other choice pieces, too, especially in New England, which was against slavery and very closely commercially tied to England (and remained so for the next 100 years); but the fight was gone from them). NYC was a hive of Toryism for a generation. All the redcoat sympathizers fled there. The Brits offered to free and repatriate all the slaves. The Indians were all on the side of the Brits, for obvious reasons (and history as it happened bore them out: Losing that war cost them hard, as was inevitable: A distant foreign king well-disposed to them and the rule of law was preferable to the colonists they knew closer to them).

    The point is, we started out the same. And how it got different is interesting. Expand on this if you can. I want to know from actual Canadians who don’t work for your liberal media.

    Canada’s culture was defined fully by Britain, except in Quebec which had its own French culture. Unlike in the US, the French culture was confined to one province, and although there have often been tensions between the English and French cultures in Canada, they have been manageable (although not without rough spots). The French and English cultures are more compatible, and were not predicated on a slave-master relationship. Waves of immigrants arrived, almost exclusively from Europe until the 1950s, and they were able to assimilate successfully, again due to compatible culture and religion.

    So this went well, right?

    My theory is that a society with a degree of cultural homogeneity can integrate a limited proportion of new immigrants into that culture and still remain coherent and harmonious. That proportion varies based on how compatible their culture is with Canadian culture. A million western Europeans could arrive in Canada tomorrow and be assimilated quite easily. 250,000 3rd-worlders, though, as is the case at present, is not possible without problems.

    Tell me the problems. I saw none when i was there, but I’m from the US, and we have actual problems down here. So I need to know, because none are outwardly visible.

    I’m genuinely interested – not just being a sarcastic ass. I’m baffled by the dynamics there because it defies what I understand.

    I mean, I’ve seen minorities in China, too, and how they get on (badly, as a rule, with some resentment; though the Han Chinese don’t realize it). And here in the US, there’s ridiculous fucking tension.

    Toronto shows that when that proportion of incompatibles is too high, cultural heterogeneity, and consequently disharmony, is generated. America has ALWAYS been culturally heterogeneous. As a result of America’s cultural structure, other minorities feel no pressure to assimilate themselves (particularly the hispanics, but also others depending on region).

    So our melting pot is fucking us. I see.

    Toronto is the most inharmonious part of Canada, and it’s not coincidental that it’s also where half of the immigrants go. Toronto is like an airplane: it’s full of random people that have nothing in common with each other, who are only there because they have to be. Some small talk might be forced, but for the most part everyone prefers to just look at their shoes and get through the day without interacting with anyone. Perhaps, though, the Canadian ruling class understands this and chooses for it to be this way. They understand that Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal will be the alphabet soup pots and the rest of Canada can remain culturally coherent.

    So why is this good for the ruling class? Easier to govern? Sounds like the opposite.

    i saw lots of minorities in positions of power. I interacted with a few in the media; many immigrants, and the head of a production company there I’ll be working with was originally from Eastern Europe, decades ago. Her crew is literally from everywhere, racially, but they’re all born in Canada and none of them are distinguishable from each other. A couple of blacks, three Indians, and a few Asians; the rest are white.

    When I was there, I saw a factor more interracial couples than in NYC, or Paris. In fact, it had my GF and I turning our heads. It was a little bit freakish.

    I just want to get how it works on the ground. I sound like an idiot talking about it because I know nothing about how the dynamics actually work.

    But I’ll tell you my impression:

    – I don’t know how you count it, but there were lots more interracial couples than anywhere in the US. Not just lots more, but a factor more. One area (some mall downtown), almost half the couples must have been mixed.

    – I was there for the Gay parade. It was an interesting spectacle. Lots of mixed couples there, too, and shit do you people have lots of gays.

    – the small towns shocked me. I met a Chinese man married to a white woman, but they were obviously both local (no accent) in one place. They were older and owned the hotel in the town we were in (Georgian Lake or thereabouts if this means anything to you). That wasn’t the only mixed couple we saw out in the sticks. A (largish) black man was with a largish white woman, both about 55 or so, and they were schoolteachers in a small town. They though it entirely remarkable that my GF was surprised that they were mixed. It was nothing for them. The last older small-town mixed couple we talked to was a white-Korean mixed couple. The Korean spoke little Korean – mine is fairly fluent so I could tell the best she had was kitchen-Korean.

    Is this normal? I was surprised to find this in small towns. Never happens here, but I’m from New England, and I admit this is not the rest of the US. And the couples were older.

    – In the downtown core, the *young* couples were mixed, and not just romantic couples. Friends seemed pretty mixed, as well; we saw lots of people interacting more or less freely, and they were all pretty mixed. I didn’t hear any accents. Groups of people tended to be random.

    Was this just a Toronto thing? What if I went to Dinkville, Northern Area? Would it be the same?

    I need to have an honest non-PC explanation.

    Down here, I’m used to most people being completely segregated.

    That’s how things work down here.

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  155. Some of my best friends are Canadians… but the fact remains that 90% of them live within commutting distance of the US border and nearly as many depend on US businesses/shop in the US . And use generic versions of Pharm/Drugs first developed in the US. And so on.
    But there is a deeper difference. People came on their own to America to pursue some wild-assed self improvement dream. People were sent to Canada as dutiful employees of some fur trading company. Or they were French, (who are still largely incomprehensible to me, but never mind that).

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  156. Hey Gorb, I didn’t expect a reply so quickly, and such an engaged one no less. I’ll attempt to formulate a reply in the morning, because it will require some consideration on my part and at the moment I need to hit the sack.

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  157. I need to have an honest non-PC explanation.

    I have family in Ottawa and Montreal, and as some may remember, I lost my virginity to a Canadian, so I’ll give a half-assed interpretation that may be of some value.

    One must remember that Black Canadians only form 2.5% of the population*, so they’re just less noticeable when compared to the States, and with such a small population base, they’re forced to find whites less they remain a small isolated group. Plus, the vast majority of black Canadians are immigrants, so there’s even less racial baggage from historical discrimination*, and there’s some self-selection for the people with enough IQ and skill to save up money to pay for the airfare and documentation needed to move to Canada on a permanent basis and deal with the crappy weather, especially when Miami is a perfectly viable option. Plus, I suspect strong political correctness ensures that “bad, racist” thoughts are suppressed which can create an inflated feeling of acceptance.

    Regardless, that atmosphere is why I’m very tempted to move to Canada despite the hit to my income and buying power, and the second rate healthcare.

    *While my Canadians may say Toronto is “filled” with blacks, it’s nearly similar in scope of proportions to say Portland or Seattle, American cities known for being “mostly white”.

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  158. “look, this is my girlfriend, isn’t she marvellous”

    Yeah, for something like that, clearly the guy deserved everything he got?

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  159. Some commenters write about applying decency and discretion after getting screwed over by your fweetie. Entirely wrong, and this will just lead those of you who are not sneaky fuckers for a living down the garden path of betadom. (Please take the exit at the end marked “Omega”. It’s marked with a white knight for those who have difficulties reading.)

    No, these are different times and when needed, you shouldn’t hesitate to apply slut and bitch shaming coldly and thoroughly. Granted, it’s difficult to pull off in a confrontation, because sympathies as we see nearly always go to the woman. But even if you can’t do it that way, don’t hesitate to tell the amusing anecdote among your friends, and put the full name in. If your friend is having difficulty in identifying his next pump and dump, why not be a mensch and give him her number? Hell, write it in the men’s room to celebrate earlier, simpler times. Leave her grimy pictures around, oops. Be creative, or just very open if the topic comes up.

    Let’s call it, oh I don’t know, “radical transparency”. It’s a public service.

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  160. Excellent analysis, DA.

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  161. Canada has ridden the commodities exports to China bubble for years. Get back to me on how Canada does when China’s bubble collapses, and stops importing 3/4 of the raw materials and commodities on the planet. See: Chile, Australia, Argentina, Brazil, etc.

    The Gold standard is certainly tested and true, limiting monetary expansion (printing money) by the amount of gold. But as a practical matter most peoples and nations have used silver. Silver coins have a long history. The Free Silver inflationists wanted cheap money to pay off debts. Gold bugs wanted Gold (sound money) to make existing wealth more secure. Assuming currency collapse (a safe assumption), silver coinage is the most likely. You can buy things with it, and copper coins, that gold (being too valuable) can’t.

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  162. Gorb, I am in Toronto. The city attracts immigrants from all over because there are jobs here and housing. Our public school system is actually very good, and there are pockets of residential housing in every part of the city, including the downtown core. So, you will find people from different backgrounds and socio-economic backgrounds mixing at the same schools.

    Our black population come mostly from the islands (Trinidad, Dominican Republic, Tobago, etc..)and with the exception of Jamaicans, they tend to be family people and Christian ie: still church going and two-parent families. The Jamaicans tend to drug dealing and single-parent families, teen pregnancies and absent fathers-much more similar in my opinion to the large majority of urban “African” Americans in most American cities.

    So, in answer to your question about mixed race marriages-nobody really bats an eye here about that and I would say it would be the same in most small towns. It would be considered really un-Canadian to look down on that, rude and retro. There still is a meritocracy here in many ways. As long as people are hard working, they actually can have a very good life here-own a home, get a good public education, etc.

    There is a hard core cadre of liberals running most of the media here and public radio (CBC), but judging by the polls, we are going to have a right-wing mayor here shortly.

    There is the non-stop bullshit about celebrating diversity. However, if the elites would just stop trying to artificially shove it up our asses all the time, they might notice that there is a natural diversity in most workplaces and in the civil service and business.

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  163. Ellen is a model citizen.

    Lip service to conservative sentiments while completely surrendering to leftist principles.

    Anything else would be un-Canadian.

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  164. PA, lip service to conservative sentiments, but surrendering to leftist principles? That’s hilarious.

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  165. “The point is, we started out the same. And how it got different is interesting. Expand on this if you can. I want to know from actual Canadians who don’t work for your liberal media.”

    I know too little about the specifics of American history, but as far as I can tell the racial fragmentation got nationalized during the Great Migration of blacks throughout the union. As I said, Canada also has had two primary cultures, but they weren’t jammed alongside each other in cities all across the nation, as in your country. The only major exception is in Montreal, and there were tremendous culture wars at times as a result (wiki “October Crisis” for an example).

    To me it’s evidence that distinct cultures can’t live in harmony next door to one another without a degree of discord. It’s the same story throughout the world: Islam in Europe; tribal warfare in Africa; former Yugoslavia; Northern Ireland; etc. etc. etc. The individual members can make nice with each other for periods of time, but if they are loyal to separate cultures there will always be tension and eventually conflict. There needs to be cultural homogeneity for there to be harmony.

    “Tell me the problems. I saw none when i was there, but I’m from the US, and we have actual problems down here. So I need to know, because none are outwardly visible.”

    You probably experience the same effect I do when it’s 60 degrees out. I will gladly wear a t-shirt out, and think the weather’s great; meanwhile my friends from southern US are putting on sweaters. For sure Toronto feels more comfortable and harmonious than most parts of America. We Canadians are used to that. Toronto is inharmonious compared to Windsor, London, Kitchener-Waterloo, Kingston, etc. (heh, I never realized how anglo our city names are). But it’s better than LA, NYC, or most American cities, no question.

    When I think of the people in Toronto, I don’t think of Canadians. I think of Greeks, Portuguese, Italians, Jamaicans, Somalis, East Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese. There are big Serbian and Croatian communities. These groups tend to identify as their group first, and Canadian a distant second. It might not be evident to you but if you were born here you’d see it. A lot of it takes place in the suburbs as well, which you likely didn’t see. There’s a reason Brampton is known as Bramladesh. You asked for the non-PC view; well, Canada leans highly liberal and PC, so you will hear many say loudly how “great” this unassimilated multiculturalism is. To each their own. The ones who disagree know to stay silent.

    This is the pattern I see. In smaller, mostly-white cities, the few minorities don’t have large-enough ethnic communities to isolate themselves. They are obligated to integrate if they want to belong to the community. These towns are where you find the real “Canada”, in my opinion. Moreover, the minorities who choose to live in those towns are predisposed to integrate, otherwise they typically wouldn’t choose to live there. It’s the Dr. Hibbert effect. Low-caliber, non-assimilating minorities rarely go to the average-sized, white cities.

    Yes, mixed-race couples aren’t that big a deal here. Again, you should keep in mind that the type of minority who ends up by himself on Georgian Bay is inherently different than the ones congregated en masse in Markham or Burnaby, where signs are in Chinese. He is probably whitewashed to begin with. Canadians are going to view the relationships you described in the small towns differently than interrace relationships in the GTA. Canadians are colourblind, but they are not culture-blind.

    However, I think the main reason people don’t care is that Canadians in general are more tolerant than Americans. Tolerance meaning, letting other people do what they want to do. Americans seem to have had a historical desire to dictate what other people are allowed to do.

    [Editor: Tell me about it. Those damned liberal Puritans.]

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  166. Professor Woland

    This guy should be grateful he was not married to this harridan or had a child with her. Otherwise he would be forced to deal with her shit for the next 18 years.

    That’s an “interesting” attitude.

    Forced, you say.

    Thank my amoral god of hedonism that I don’t share your concepts of duty.

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  167. on October 22, 2010 at 7:02 pm Soviet Canuckistan

    Mukluk:

    “Canadians in general are more tolerant than Americans. Tolerance meaning, letting other people do what they want to do.”

    Absolutely not. The Canadian state micromanages like nobody’s business. “Tolerance” is only for aberrant lifestyles, like being gay or a drug addict. Try voicing a politically incorrect opinion in a public arena, or acting in a “discriminatory manner” and see what happens.

    But in addition to that, here are a few recently enacted bylaws here in Vancouver, to give you an idea of how much our lives are controlled:

    -No BAC over .5. That’s like 2 beers, and they charge you 6 grand to get your car back, guilty or not.

    -No talking on your cell phone while driving. $120 ticket.

    -Get caught going 40 km over the limit, have your car impounded for a week.

    – New houses cannot have a wood-burning chimney. It hurts the environment.

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  168. SC: I had a feeling someone would make that point. The Canadian government does indeed tell people what to do. I was referring to the Canadian people. You don’t find the type of moralists that exist in the US who insist that no one can use drugs, gamble, fornicate, intermarry, etc.

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  169. Jerry,

    Get out of the MSM/liberal bubble. In a nutshell, they lie/distort, push junk polls with Democrat oversampling and offer laughable (a)historical arguments.

    As to Roissy’s post — it was obvious he was telling the truth (that she’s a major league sociopath) by her “cool as a cucumber” reaction. Normal people don’t react like that.

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  170. […] “Me, Tarzan. You, Jane.”And you, Todd Seavey, can’t do the Tarzan thing. Or, as one expert in such subjects put it:First, Seavey, let me be frank: You have no game. Zero. Nada. I can tell. Your gamelessness oozes […]

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  171. @Original JB

    You should look at past Roissy posts declaring that an educated PUA isn’t going to be beholden to either of the two parties in the US. The two party system pretends to argue about abortion and taxes and the same type of idiot ends up governing us. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be cheering for a full GOP takeover of Congress at this point, but the 2 candidates stupid enough to try to win non-deep-south male conservative votes by condemning porn and masturbation, AND WHO HAVE NO CHANCE OF WINNING regardless of whether I support them in a blog comment section or not, aren’t worth defending.

    Here’s a Roissy post declaring social conservative senator Sam Brownback a Beta Boy Bitch of the feminists:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/repeal-the-imbra-now/

    This is a good example of why men didn’t vote in 2006 and 2008. They knew the Bush types (call them neocons or whatever) were not pro-male.

    A good PUA is going to be wary of feminists taking over the Republican Party as much as he’s going to be against the Dems. Look at all the women in the Tea Party. I can assure you from the way they behave on social networks like Twitter that too many of them support radical feminist ideas.

    Do you realize that Sarah Palin agrees with the NOW about the Violence Against Women Act? I want a Republican President in 2013 but there’s going to be an internal fight against Sarah Palin being that choice.

    I can continue with the discussion of Palin not being a good idea for any man who dislikes feminism (links of her accepting an endorsement from the NOW, the fact that she tried to screw Bristol’s ex-boyfriend into paying a whopping $1700 per month child support, etc).

    Do you think the anti-sex O’Donnell (as opposed to Rand Paul and other real Tea Party types) wouldn’t vote to broaden the definition of sex offenders and support national laws tightening the noose around “dead beat dads,” a national age of consent of 18 and other big issues that aging women support so as to shame and regulate men by making what was legal yesterday illegal tomorrow? Everything about her says she’d gladly vote for big government laws to regulate “sex offenders” which is socon code for “all men who want premarital sex”.

    Again, she has NO CHANCE of winning so there’s no need for you to do anything but examine why she lost.

    Saying “She was screwed by the liberal media” is a cop out.

    It means you don’t want to take a hard look at the difference between her attitude and the attitude of others (taking into account as well that she’s not from the deep south like Jim Demint).

    In the case of O’Donnell and Paladino, I was cheering for them at first but these poor excuses for candidates have done their double digit poll drops to themselves. Should I reexplain how they incorrectly judged their male supporters? Do you really think conservative males in Delaware cheered when she said the only Supreme Court rulings she disagreed with were the ones declaring porn free speech?

    The liberal media didn’t really report that at all. Men in Delaware are laughing at her anyway. They know she doesn’t like masturbation and porn, etc.

    Nobody can defend either of these losers. Nor did you just now.

    And it isn’t “liberal” to say that the GOP should have thought twice or thrice about putting Meg Whitman, whose sons are famous for being charged – by non-liberal police departments – with serious crimes, up for California Governor.

    She’s simply not going to win like Schwarzenegger did in 2003. One could have chosen a better candidate who hadn’t bought the candidacy.

    At least Meg Whitman isn’t a religious nutcase. Her main problem is the way she raised her sons.

    As old religious nutcases die off, the percentage of Americans who self identify as social conservative is declining. Soon, but not yet, they will be the minority to the fiscal and more libertarian GOP voters and the latter will take over the party.

    There are books about this now. Only in the deep south is social conservatism still dominant in the GOP.

    Roissy has noted that Brownback was a traitor in 2005 when he pushed the GOP to accept feminism.

    Social Conservatives via Sarah Palin and the Tea Party Express (big money group from California that doesn’t necessarily agree with real Tea Party values of small government) may have managed to keep power in the GOP by taking over the originally anti-socon Tea Party movement.

    But they better not rule like socons once they get in.

    Most US males, because of the 2 party system, have to choose the lesser of two evils, which is for less taxation and thus more money to spend dating hotter women than otherwise. Thus, when they vote at all, US males vote 2:1 Republican. But they refuse to vote when they realize they’re dealing with religious nutcases. That is what happened in 2006 and 2008.

    Brownback wasn’t up for reelection in those years.

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  172. Did ya ever ask a fat man why he’s fat? He’ll usually chuckle and say “I eat to much, drink too much beer, and don’t get off my ass and exercise.” If you ask a fat bitch why she’s fat, well, it’s a different story. After she gets done crying and ranting and sobbing and giving you the silent treatment (which is not that bad of a thing, after all) she will tell you that her husband doen’t respect her, the kids don’t love her, she stressed out at work, she exhausted, she’s depresed, and she has hormonal problems.

    And this embodies one of the major differences between men and women. Men typically take responsibility for thier actions and the consequnces. Women – never; it’s always somebody else’s fault.

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  173. on October 29, 2010 at 2:37 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””I can continue with the discussion of Palin not being a good idea for any man who dislikes feminism (links of her accepting an endorsement from the NOW, the fact that she tried to screw Bristol’s ex-boyfriend into paying a whopping $1700 per month child support, etc).””””

    Any woman that demands child support needs to either give it to the dad and if he doesn’t want it give it up for adoption if she and her family can’t handle it.

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  174. As luck would have it, I just discovered this blog as someone saw fit to post a link to my old blog on the “Female Photo Submissions” page. I finally tracked the incoming traffic and horndog comments to here. (My page is now gone; don’t bother trying to figure out who I am) Kudos Roissy – you have quite a following.

    My first impressions of this place were very negative, and still to some extent are, but I recognize that Roissy has amplified his inanity to make his points and coach guys who are gunshy around women. Not entirely ignoble.

    But I wholeheartedly agree with Roissy in this post. This man’s performance was sad and I say, despite her feigned indignant replies, she enjoyed the attention and such clear evidence that she had climbed into his head and drove him around like a car. She’s a female Eric Harris of Columbine fame, a empty predatory vessel that thrives on insecure men.

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  175. A few thoughts: Although some have noted that Ms. Rittelmyer is probably not a candidate for Roissy’s “the elusive 10” contest, to Steavey she rated very highly probably in the vicinity a nine. Why?
    One – is the age difference – she is about 24 he is 40. A chick 16 years his junior may be absolutely intoxicating to Steavey who probably did not date any 24 year olds when he was in his 20s. An age difference like that, particularly to someone still as hopeless with women as Steavey appears to be can easily double a girl’s attractiveness.
    Second – is that they are ideologically simpatico. For guys in Washington it is hard to find conservative women to date and Steavey may fall into the category of those who only want to date persons of similar ideological views. This tendency is fairly common among the hyper-partisan or those whose ideology is central to their being. By definition, contributing essays to Jonah Goldberg’s books on the next wave of conservative thinkers qualifies both of them as being primarily defined by ideology.
    Third – is intellectualism. For some guys (particularly intellectual or quasi-intellectual nerds) a woman should be overtly and aggressively intelligent – brains adding additional points to the attractiveness of an otherwise plain woman (Clio’s Amazonian Alpha). This serves to ratify the guy’s own intellectual self-worth – (I am an intellectual if I date chicks who spout off on Soren Kierkegaard). Rittelmyer displays the hyper intellectualism of a young Ivy League grad still trying to prove to the world (and to herself) that she is brilliant. For a few years after graduating she will hang around coffee houses an engage in endless bull sessions on the differences between J.S. Mill and F.A. Hayek. Although Steavey has no game (low emotional intelligence) he clearly is an intellectual and was probably infatuated with Rittelmeyer’s endless willingness to pontificate on politics, art and culture (rather than Taylor Swift and shopping) – intellectual girls are a huge turn on for intellectual guys lacking confidence– they have something in common on which to build shared experiences.
    So Rittelmyer to Steavey was Alizee to Roissy — just perfect. She naturally was bored with him and dumped him. He went into an emotional tail spin thinking (probably correctly) that he would never connect with another one, so young, so conservative and so bright. Alas poor Steavey.
    He proceeds to behave as a total jerk – really poor form to go after an ex girl friend on TV (CSPAN booknotes being the equivalent of American Idol to their rightwing, intellectual friends). His assault on her had nothing to do with the topic they were discussing. He could have stopped after the comment that Rittelmyer opposed Obama care because it would serve to alleviate suffering and alleviation of suffering is a noble goal to most. He just lost it after that. It would have been weak and pathetic even if done in private. No Cary Grant, Mr. Steavey.
    Rittelmyer, to her credit, maintained her dignity.
    I also suspect the whole thing may have been staged by both, consciously or otherwise Steavey is still infatuated with Rittelmyer and his self-sacrifice has served to make her more famous.
    I think Thunear in his comment nailed the economics of the women gap in right wing circles and the effects it has, particularly on women in their 20s.
    I was also delighted to see Clio dropped by. Her blog had nuance and insight that is rare for the online world. Hope she comes by again.

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